If Djokovic does the Grand Slam this year. . .

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  1. Evan77

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    you are killing me... this is too funny. I mean, regardless who we support, I wish there were more posters like you :) (told you already, love your sense of humor and the way you come up with these new words, like Djesus, Cvac etc, lol). However, tards will be tards regardless if they support Djokovic, Federer or Nadal or whoever ...
     
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  2. Towser83

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    Dunno, I don't think just winning 4 slams in one year is the be all and end all, it can just be one year where everything goes right for you. But doing it off the back of winning 3 slams in 2011 would be HUGE.

    He would have 2 less slams than Nadal and less masters but he would be pretty close really (plus he's a year younger) So it would be debateable
     
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  3. Towser83

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    nah, records are there to be broken and Djokovic is one of may favourite players so I don't mind if he beats Federer's records. Would annoy the *******s that it wasn't Nadal and so soon after looking like Nadal was gonna smash Fed's records, he ends up with 2 people in his own era ahead of him. Fed might end up with a winning H2H over Djokovic if he doesn't play him too many more times and the fed fans can use the H2H vs more slam count, just like Nadal fans use it now :lol:

    But Djokovic will never get 16 slams. Nadal could without Djokovic stopping him, but Djokovic winning 11 more slams is crazy.
     
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  4. kragster

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    Yeah as much as I love Nole, I think anything beyond 10-11 is tough. If only he had snuck in a couple more slam from 08-10, he could have aimed for 13 perhaps.

    Also to be honest I don't think Djoker will have the drive that Rafa or Fed has for winning more and more. I think having been in their shadow for a while, his expectations might be lower. I may be totally off but the fact that he said his focus this year is French, kind of tells me that once he gets an FO, he will feel like he has achieved enough. Versus someone who says "I want to win every slam I can". I hope I'm off but that's my assessment.
     
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    If that happens it would be fitting since Nadal isn't nearly as good or anywhere near as talented at Fed or Djesus. He doesn't belong near Fed's slam count anyway,and was never going to catch him in the first place. He should be behind those two in achievements,and he will be. Nadal has majorly overachieved as it is.


    I am not so sure about that. I think he will,and it will be hilarious to see all the regret and whining the *******s are going to do when it happens. :lol:
     
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  7. Towser83

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    You could well be right, I hope he doesn't just lose his desire though.

    But yeah i don't feel winning another 11 slams at this point is likely, if he was on say, 8 slams now, I'd say there was an chance but still a big ask. Right now, he'll either have to be winning slams into his 30s or dominate heavily for the next few years. If he won the next 11 slams he'd still be 27 when he got to 16, so given that it's unlikely he wins the next 11 slams, he'll probably have to be 28-29 even with winning multiple slams each year.

    I never thought I'd hear a nadal fan be so dimissive of his talents. I do feel Federer and Djokovic are more talented, but nadal has a lot of talent himself, especially to turn into a lefty and play that well with his opposite hand.
     
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    Why not? I know he has basically made a career out of running from pillar to post. He is very fortunate to have won as many slams/titles as he has with so little to work with. All one has to do is look at Nadal's indoor record to see that his talents are limited. He doesn't belong at the top with Fed and Djesus,and when all of their careers are done he will be behind them both in achievements. That's where he belongs,and only severe *******s will say otherwise.
     
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  9. kragster

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    Where he ends up is where he belongs. Nothing more nothing less. Nadal is extremely talented, his talents are just less diverse than Fed or Djoker. Having a lot of talent in one area can be more valuable than little bits of talent in multiple areas. For example the unbelievable serving talent Roddick had was more valuable than someone like Nalbandian's more all-round talent.
     
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    Spot on. Clarky is being nonsensical about Nadal's talent just bc he isn't beating Novak.
     
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    But the whole point of sports is rivalries. For all we know, Mike Tyson may have been lucky that he fought in an era when there were no true rivals to contend with like Ali, Foreman, etc.
    Federer may have been lucky to win many Slams before Nadal hit his prime. And likewise Nadal may have been lucky to win many Slams before Djokovic matured. And who knows what may happen soon enough...
     
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  12. Mike Sams

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    The sport of tennis has changed. It's far more challenging for players to win Slams because great shot making is no longer rewarded thanks to the surfaces. So grinding it out is the best way to win and apparantly Nadal has to contend with somebody who can grind better than him. That wasn't the case before. Nadal was the best in the world at grinding down his opposition. That's what made him so great.
     
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    But he would still need 2 more to equal the GOAT.
     
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    Just because indoor records suit Fed, you cannot call Nadal Talentless. From my perspective I can always consider French or AO/US open HC as a measuring scale where Nadal had dominated the so called GOD.

    Each has their own perspective of how you see a talent. If winning 10 slams is nothing to you, then what is?

    ANy Tom , dick & Harry can claim Fed is talent less coz he could never win FO when Nadal was around. The one time Nadal was out, he defeated the great Soderling to win FO title.Would you buy that??
     
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    True, very well said!
     
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  16. Towser83

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    harsh...

    Whan has nadal dominated Federer at the US Open? :confused:
     
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    If Novak makes the Grand Slam he is the greatest *Open player of all times. I would be simply amazing, and he has the best chance that any player has had in a very very long time. As we can see Ronald was never going to make it past Nadal due to lack of confidence. Novak does not have a mental or backhand deficit like Frauderer does.
     
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    If Noel pulls this off and makes a case for the "GOAT" and possibly heads toward 16, will the Federer fans who gloryhunted the serb over the past 14 months simply because he played master to Federer's master change their tune?
     
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  19. Clarky21

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    Nope.

    10nopes
     
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    Some Fed fans, Novak beat him 4 out of 5 times last year and broke our hearts at the US Open :(
     
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    Quick,fast,and in a hurry they will,and I will be lmfao off at every single one of them. It will be much deserved,too.
     
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    Nah,I see it as truth. It's always been the case,but now that Nadal has lost a couple of steps it's glaringly obvious.
     
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    Athletically yes,but his tennis talent is limited. He can't serve,has no backhand,plays a mile behind the baseline,isn't good at changing the direction of the ball,isn't a good returner,and can't take the ball on the rise. He has retrieved and ran his way to 10 slams,and now that he is unable to do that anymore he isn't winning anymore,either. Actual ballstriking talent had very little to with Nadal's success.
     
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  24. Towser83

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    I don't get how one year of doing really well trumps overall having more slams.

    I mean Novak would have a 3 slam year to back it up which would be in his favour, but if he didn't a 4 slam year would not even get him close to Nadal. a 3 slam year,a 4 slam year and a total 8 slams, would put him close to Nadal (on 10 slams but only a 3 slam year and 2 slam year), but still behind Federer til he got at least 13-14 slams.

    I mean Nadal might have won the CYGS in 2010 if he didn't have injuries in Australia, Federer could have done it in 2006 and 2007 if Nadal had lost that year in RG instead of 2009. It's down to luck as well, but overall slams requires less luck I think.
     
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  25. jackson vile

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    Not even the Best of the Best could do it, excuses or no excuses. That is what would make it a legendary feet. It is all a dream anyways, the odds of it ever happening again are slim to none
     
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  26. cc0509

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    Nadal will have a little resurgence you will see. He is not done winning slams completely yet and I say that as more of a Fed fan.
     
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  27. Towser83

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    yes but it is partly down to luck. Just winning 4 in one year does not trump 16 slams or even 10, you have to at least get close to that many to have a reasonable argument. Obviously on 8 slams he would be near nadal unless nadal won anymore in which case Nadal would be significantly ahead in all time stakes.
     
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    Not gonna happen,and he is done winning slams,imo. I would be amazed if he won even one more at this stage of his career.
     
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    he's been in the last 4 finals, what happens if Fed takes Novak out at RG again? Fed beating Nadal would be a very big upset and not very likely
     
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    Tennis is a physical sport. If we only wanted to look at racquet skills, we might as well all play ping pong! Athletic talent is a huge part of the sport. Novaks flexibility, Feds springiness etc play a big part in their success as well. Maybe on the senior tour it will come down to pure racquet talent but not in the ATP.

    And it takes incredible ball striking ability to put 5000 rpm on a ball. Go find some beefy guy on the street and try to train him to do that, I guarantee it will nt happen.
     
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    But that does not make sense logically Clarky. Nadal has been making all of the finals pretty much in the most important events along with Djokovic so if Djokovic's level drops a little or Djokovic fails to make the final, who is the likeliest player to benefit? Nadal of course. It is only common sense. If Nadal was not making the finals I would say you are correct but he has been making all of the finals in the last how many slams? Take Djokovic out of those finals or have Djokovic's level drop or have Nadal figure out a way to beat the 2011 Djokovic and Nadal wins. It is simple.
     
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    The bandwagon will sit somewhere in the area where it does whenever Federer and Djokovic play a major semifinal. All the knives come out at that point. The bandwagon also mysteriously vanishes whenever Djokovic is playing an opponent not named Nadal.
     
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    Do you really believe Nadal will keep making all of those finals to even have a chance at winning anything? He already failed to make the final at either IW or Miami like he did last year(and I said he would not repeat those finals and I was right). He had a golden opportunity to actually win something off of clay for the first time in nearly 2 years,but he lost in pathetic fashion in the semis at IW. That was a huge chance missed considering Djesus had lost earlier in the day to Isner,and he still went out there and laid an egg. Djesus or no Djesus he won't win a thing if he is unable to even make it through his draw. Just wait until he fails to defend his clay titles/finals. Will that finally convince people that he is through? I knew it last year when he starting struggling with everybody and their dog even in clay tournaments.


    And Nadal is not a talented ballstriker no matter how many rpm's he puts in the ball. If you want to see a talented ballstriker,look at Fed,Nalby or Djesus. Those guys can easily change the direction of the ball,keep the ball deep,and take the ball early. Nadal cannot do any of those things,rpm's or not.
     
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  34. celoft

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    It would be hilarious if when all is said and done:

    Federer retires with 18 slams.

    Djokovic retires with 12 slams.

    Nadal retires with 10 slams.

    Maybe Clarky is right and Nadal will not win anymore slams.

    How many players lost 3 slam finals in a row to the same man but then went on to win a slam(s) after that?
     
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    Which Open era do you mean? Surley, not the same Open Era Laver played in so, which is it?
     
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    Yeah right. I imagine Clarky21 being more like:
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    You are right. Last time Nadal didn't make a slam final without being injured was in 2009.
     
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    The best part of Novak winning 11 more slams is that Nadal would win no more than 1 or maybe 2 max because there is simply not enough slams in the next 3 years for them to win any more. After that they both will decline too much to win anymore. Especially Nadal who has at most 3 years of any possibility for winning slams left in him.
     
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    WTF is this? Are you so jealous that people pay more attention to new queen of trolling Clarky21 instead of you, so you decided to follow her example and start making up dumb names? Pathetic!
     
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    If he hangs in there, no reason he can't win more.

    Quite right, but there's a logical reason to it surely. Fed fans are fans of other players, too. Maybe some of them are also Muzza and Delpo fans, like myself.

    Usually, I root for the underdog. I used to root against Fred when he was at peak. I rooted for Joker against him in 2005-6 in various finals (USO/Rogers Cup) (*kicks self in shin*)

    Lol, I used to be a balanced fan before joining this forum.
     
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    Yes, who else is going to make them? Not like there are many candidates on the horizon. Let's see how Nadal does at MC and the other pre-FO tournaments before we make any rash calls.
     
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    or maybe look like this, no?

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    ^^I think that first picture is actually a picture of Dudeski's wife. He is just projecting,is all. :lol:
     
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    Before or after?
     
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    ...Dad? :shock:
     
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    That would mean that he's won 6 slams in a row.

    Biggest achievement in mens tennis ever.
     
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    Just a joke poking fun at all the sissy boy lovers :)
     
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    Dudeski, why you go around looking like that? Federer is already married. :)
     
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    Here's a thread about Djoker winning the GS.

    Hah! Not this year.
     
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