Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by -RF-, Sep 21, 2012.
Nadal ended that streak too. It was a fabulous counter attack, where Nadal sucked up everything Federer could throw at him and then won the points that mattered later on in the match. Federer punched himself out, as they say.
No use reminiscing on "what ifs"....i think the question is whether Djokovic is going to win RG in 2013. I think it is definitely a possibility, since Nadal might come back a weaker player. And watching him play in 2012 compared to 2011, he's not as aggressive but his defense is getting better
yeah ofcourse after I mean if they played on sunday djokovic wouldve won but ofcourse they couldnt because it was unplayable as the court was "too wet" or "too dry" forget what nadal said
Too muddy, which it clearly was.
pretty sure they couldve squeezed in a few more games if not the whole set
And I'm pretty sure that they shouldn't have been playing on a mudpit in the rain at all. Since when is tennis meant to be played in the rain?
What match was that?.
Wishful thinking. You can't know that.
And it was obviously too muddy.
Djokovic has 0 FO and Nadal has 7. Let's not get carried away by saying Djokovic would have won had he reached the final last year.
The 2006 Dubai final. Nadal won 2-6, 6-4, 6-4.
So? Sampras had 7 wimbledon titles and fed had 0 in 2001 and Sampras was defending champion and fed won that match. Im not saying DJokovic wouldve won for sure im just saying that logic is flawed
Since when is tennis supposed to be played in the dark where both players can barely see? Come on now, don't apply double standards.
Thanks Mustard . I don't think I've seen it. Doesn't appear to be on YouTube though.
Nadal at RG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pete at Wimbledon.
How many times did prime-Sampras get straight-setted on Grass?
Not to mention Fed was only 19 when he beat Sampras, but in 2011 Nole was in god mode and already straight sets Nadal twice on clay. Also, Fed was a huge underdog in 2001, but Nole would be the favorite if he made the 2011 final.
That's debatable. If a 19 years old Fed can beat a 7 time Wimdledon champions, it's ridiculous not to believe a peak Nole in 2011 wouldn't beat Nadal at RG when he's already defeated Nadal multiple times in that year alone.
Pete was almost 30. Rafa was 25.
Rafa played better through the whole match in Wimbledon 2008. Novak was losing pretty clearly before the court became mud...
This is exactly what I was going to say. Fed was fortunate that Nadal choked or else he would have lost in straights. Cvac should have,and would have lost in straights too if not for the rain turning the court into a muddy mess.
No the 4th set tiebreak was all fed!! but the 5th nadal choked when he double faulted. But even when he had those 2 MP cant really blame him! Fed hit a superb first serve to save 1 and a money backhand passer to save 2!
Nadal led 6-4 6-4 and should have won in 3 or 4 sets. Nadal was always in a position to win the match. Djokovic, on the other hand, got lucky with a muddy court, and I'm glad they postponed the match so we could see what SHOULD have happened in the 3rd set of Roland Garros 2012.
Please!! Your man just got outplayed!! and lost like 7 games in a row on his fav surface if it went on im pretty sure Djokovic wouldve won that set but i dont know maybe it was too muddy but even the RG final in 2009 had a bit of drizzling
Yep. The point is one cannot say Fed lost because of the darkness, since it was Rafa who had the upper hand all through the match. In the 2012 RG final the case was very different, Rafa had control of the match so we can very well say that the muddy conditions played a big part on Novak coming back for a moment.
I don't think you're getting the point.
In Roland Garros 2009, the balls weren't as heavy as they were in Roland Garros 2012, and the rain wasn't as heavy either. Djokovic already won his fluke set in the third, no need for him to get another fluke set.
I agree with that but fed did have breakpoint at 4-3 in the 5th but he couldnt convert as usual
was it only muddy on the side nadal was playing on?? how was it fluke?? same conditions!! Just like nadal beat fed fair and square at wimby 2008 darkness was for both players!! Muddyness was for both players except Fed doesnt go crazy and start complaining to the tournament director when he's losing
Are you sure about that? Federer definitely complained about the darkness afterwards and he looked annoyed in the last game of the match with some of his shots. Still, it wasn't exactly like Fognini vs. Monfils at the 2010 French Open.
now that was BAD!!!! Fed complained about it in the post match press conference not during
It obviously hurt Rafa's game more.
Thats like saying clay hurts federer's surface more so all Rafa's wins on him there are fluke
I remember Federer had words with the umpire, I think in that last game, during that 2008 Final. And some muttering to himself too, and then got on with things.
There's bound to be footage of it on Youtube, I just don't really want to look for it
No, it really is not. This were not normal playing conditions.
Hurts you too, does it?
It's also funny how some of them hate Rafa more than they like Fed, and would have wanted Fed to lose that (incredible) match...
Perhaps they're Djokovic fans. But if they call themselves Federer fans, that's just pathetic.
Oh please, the Nadal camp has more than enough "fans" that do the same thing
He lost in the semis, no.
True on both counts. Nadal's choke is the only thing that turned the 2008 Wimbledon final into the epic all time great match it was.
As for this threads poll it presumes alot for a guy who has never beaten Nadal at RG, didnt make his first RG final until this year, and lost to old Federer in the semis, but Planet TW polls are merely for comedic purposes anyway.
But Nole match up better against Nadal than Fed, that's inlude on hc, not just clay. 2011 Nole had beaten Nadal twice on clay MS who was the defending champion. Had Nole made the FO final he clearly has the psychological advantage.
Thanks. It's not a slam dunk that Nole would win, but heading into the FO it was all about Nole because he was undefeated that year. He was 4-0 against Nadal, and facing Nadal again at the FO i think just about everyone would pick Nole to beat him. That was during the FO, but at the end of the year fans would be even more convince because Nole beat him at W and USO(went undeated against Nadal that year!).
No doubt he would've won.
Thanks Feddy for preventing Djokovic's CYGS.
Yes, but that doesn't mean he would have won.
Did you miss the part where he said it is not a slam dunk nole would win???
It was in another post, but no, I didn't. Just putting some emphasis on it.
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