If Djokovic wins Roland Garros 2012, will it be the strongest top 3 in history?

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  1. Mike Sams

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    Federer is the holder of all 4 Slams.
    Nadal is the holder of all 4 Slams.
    If Djokovic wins Roland Garros next year, he becomes the holder of all 4 Slams.

    Is this a big deal in the context of tennis history where the top 3 players all have THE Grand Slam (all 4 Slams)? :)
     
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    He won't.
    I'll expect to be quoted when I'm wrong in 5 years time.
     
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    The top 3 combine for 30 majors right now. I think they are already the strongest top 3 in history.
     
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  5. NadalAgassi

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    It would cement Djokovic as a top 15 player all time, so yes it probably would be the strongest top 3 in history. It would mean 3 different players who have 3 slams in the same year, been consistent top 3 (or better) players for many years, and who also have the Career Slam to boot. Pretty amazing. One has to feel sorry for Andy Murray if he is still slamless at that point (maybe Murray will win Australia and Djokovic the French though).
     
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    You dont feel sorry for Andy Murray. No one should. The guy pushes. Watch AO final again. Djokovic was swatting the ball, while Murray was just putting it back with his practice match style forehands.
     
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    Strongest top 3:

    Superman

    Spiderman

    Batman.
     
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    AM will never win a major
     
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    None of the top three would have "THE Grand Slam", only Laver and Budge can claim that. ;)

    By the numbers Fedalovic [sic] is the "strongest". However, given that prior to the late '80s the Australian Open was of a lower priority than today, it's possible to compare, say, a top 3 from the early 'eighties comprising Borg, Connors, and McEnroe. They eventally accumulated 26 major wins between them, while typically playing only three quarters of the slam events of today's champions.

    And if you're allowed to count the old Pro Tour, you might find some candidate years from the 1960s that included Laver, Rosewall, and A. N. Other, although of course you'd need to choose one of the subjectively compiled rankings since an official list didn't yet exist. I'll leave it up to others to select the best candidate to complete that triumvirate.


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    Fedalovic will surpass that easily. They only need 5 more majors which is just over a year also given that there's nobody on the horizon it should be an easy feat
     
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    Yes.

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    *Typical 2010 TW post*

    Joke-a-vic? No way. One slam wonder, lulz.
     
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  13. NadalAgassi

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    Say what you will about Murray but he has twice the # of Masters titles as any other slamless player. Plus being in 3 slam finals. Having a winning record vs Federer, and alot of wins over Nadal and Djokovic. Being very close to the year end #3 sevearl times and never getting it. You have to feel for him atleast a bit to still be slamless even if you arent a fan (which I am not).
     
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    i would love to see Murray win one, i just don't think it will happen
     
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    He has to play like he did against Nadal in that first set of Wimbledon 2011. Aggression, attack and patience. That pushing nonsense he does won't cut it. Looping forehands! :lol:
     
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    I think so
     
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    History is long. As Ms. DeLarge writes, there were some other great trios or quartets in the history of tennis. Brookes-Wilding-McLoughlin, Tilden-Lacoste-Cochet-Johnston, Vines-Perry-Budge-von Cramm, Gonzalez-Sedgman-Hoad-Rosewall, Laver-Rosewall-Gonzalez for instance, all pre 1968.
     
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    No, it only confirms the scientific theory that this is, by far, the weakest tennis era!!!

    :mrgreen:
     
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    you had it right the first time, he is more like The Shadow, roflmao.

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  22. helloworld

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    I think the 80s were stronger overall at the top with McEnroe, Lendl, Connors, Becker, Edberg, Wilander all competing for the slams. The current era looks weak compared to the 80s.
     
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    must be the short shorts.
     
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    I agree.

    It would be amazing if he took RG though.
     
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    considering this federer/nadal/djokovic dynamic started around 2007/2008, let's give them a few more years until we compare them with a decade's worth of tennis greats.

    for all we know, these three could start to fall short at future slams and allow murray, tsonga, delpo, sod, berd, and others to win majors for a few years, which will make this era appear even stronger with so many winning slams + the 30 slam trio.
     
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    There was nothing to do against Djokovic in the AO. I actually think that he never played that good again after that, even if he won everything. Murray gave up very quickly, it's true. But every player with 0 slam would have done the same, methinks. Watch Djokovic's SF against Federer. Federer would have won against everyone else that day. Djokovic was just terrifying. I remember watching it and think "OMG, Djokovic is unbeatable right now". He didn't play that well again after that, even if he won all those tournaments.
     
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    This year Rafa won't be winning RG.
     
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    Already is the strongest top 3 in history. Has been for several years.
     
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    Has there ever been a top 3 where each man had at least 4 slams at the time? I started digging but I'm too lazy to continue =p

    But yes, if Novak wins RG, it'll definitely be the strongest top 3, even though most would contend that it already is.
     
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  31. kiki

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    How true¡¡¡
     
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    Apart from Laver´s bislam, and Agassi´s career
    slam,Connors,Wilander,Vilas,Becker,Edberg,Sampras,Newcombe,Rosewall,Ashe and others have won 3 out of 4 majors.It was much, but so much more difficult to win 3 out of 4 in the 70´s,80´s and 90´s than winning the big four today, because competition atop has reduced a lot.And courts are pretty much the same.
     
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  33. TMF

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    The names you listed above have played from the 70s to the 90s(3 decades), but Fed/Rafa/Nole only a little over 10 years(so far).

    How clueless !!!
     
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    you are the clueless

    Connors,Mc,Lendl,Wilander,Becker,Edberg were the top 6 in 1985, so they shared courts.
     
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    1971: Laver,Newcombe,Rosewall,Kodes,Smith,Ashe and Nastase, plus Okker,Roche and Gimeno

    1975: Connors,Ashe,Borg,Vilas,Orantes,Panatta,Ramirez,Rosewall,Tanner and Laver

    1979: Borg,Mc Enroe,Connors,Gerulaitis,Tanner,Vilas,Pecci,Ashe,Solomon,Dibbs

    1981: Mc Enroe,Lendl,Connors,Borg,Clerc,Vilas,Gerulaitis,Tanner.Mayer,Kriek

    1985:

    Lendl,Mac,Connors,Wilander,Becker,Edberg,Cash,Noah,Mecir and Curren


    1993:

    Sampras,Edberg,Courier,Agassi,Becker,Stich,Bruguera,Ivanisevic,Rafter,Krajicek or Chang


    Any of those top 10 wipes out the floor with any of the top 10 you can make from 2000 till 2011...
     
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    The sport is so grueling now it's hard for top players to be at their peak all year so it doesn't help to only look at how they play when at their best.

    Peakwise I would say yes.
     
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    Becker was a baby in 1985. Mac never won a slam again after 1984. Connors was a shadowed of himself...only won 4 more mickey mouse tittles after 1984.

    Bringing up names doesn't mean anything if you don't look at their current playing level. I would say 1985 Lendl, Wilander and Edberg is a good comparison to Fed/Nadal/Nole, but still, the current top 3 are better.
     
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    1981

    Borg ( retiring) : 11
    Mc: 7
    Lendl: 8
    Connors: 8

    total 34

    1993

    Sampras: 14
    Agassi: 8
    Edberg: 6
    Becker: 6

    Total 34

    Now

    Federer: 16
    nadal: 10
    Djokovic: 5
    Murray: 0

    Total 31

    Thank you, sirs
     
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  39. kiki

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    1969

    Laver 11
    Rosewall 8
    Emerson 12
    Newcombe 7

    Total 38

    Had the top players competed, we all agree Laver and Rosewall would have won almost all titles Emmo wouldn´t have won.Maybe 2 clay court titles for Santana and Gimeno..still that would make 36, thus, the best modern era top.

    Make your bit, Gentlemen
     
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    kiki you do know, however, that Federer,Djokovic,Nadal are still competing and could well win a combined 10+ majors if not more? That would make any trio from any era look like a joke
     
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    I had no idea that Sampras had 14 Major titles by 1993, among other things.
     
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    Agassi had 1 himself at the time :) way da go kiki
     
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    Out of the top 3 and Del potro/roddick...how many majors have the rest of the top 10?

    Look at Sampras time, the 10 th best player had a major title...:)

    Just as happened in 1985 or 1971, to set a few examples
     
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    Well, what do you expect from kiki who doesn't watch tennis. He's assuming none of these 3 will win anymore slams from now on.
     
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  45. NadalAgassi

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    It seems some posters are unable to even understand the thread title. This isnt a question about the deepest top 10 ever (which nobody would argue, it is well noted the bottom of the current top 10 is a joke) or the strongest overall top 6. It is the strongest "top 3" and nothing else. So bringing up 6 names and an entire top 10 is just evidence of being unable to argue another top 3 against the current one.
     
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    Yes, they could but...against which competition? looks to me like Emerson,Santana and Stolle:)
     
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    Number of slam winners in the top 10

    1971

    Laver
    Newcombe
    Rosewall
    Ashe
    Smith
    Kodes
    Nastase
    Roche
    Gimeno

    (9)

    1981

    Borg
    Mc Enroe
    Lendl
    Connors
    Vilas
    Gerulaitis
    Tanner
    Kriek

    (8)

    1985

    Mc Enroe
    Lendl
    Wilander
    Connors
    Edberg
    Becker
    Noah
    Cash
    Gomez
    (9)

    1993

    Sampras
    Courier
    Agassi
    Edberg
    Becker
    Bruguera
    Rafter
    Ivaniseic
    Stich
    Chang

    (10)

    NOW

    Djokovic
    Nadal
    Federer
    Del Potro Roddick

    (5)

    WOAT era is now...numbers never lie.. and the rest of top tenners are old enough to have achieved something in their lifes, ain´t it?
     
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    You may be onto something here. If you just looked at the incredible records Fedal had set before 2010, and not just in the slams, and if you add what Novak has done this year, plus the fact he has been in the top three since 07...it certainly looks like a powerful top three for sure.
     
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    You just took the best players from one era and put them in the top 10, let's look at 1993 for example, you said:

    1993

    Sampras
    Courier
    Agassi
    Edberg
    Becker
    Bruguera
    Rafter
    Ivaniseic
    Stich
    Chang

    Now this is the REAL top 10 at the end of 1993
    1 Sampras, Pete (USA) 4,128 0 0
    2 Stich, Michael (GER) 3,445 0 0
    3 Courier, Jim (USA) 3,390 0 0
    4 Bruguera, Sergi (ESP) 2,590 0 0
    5 Edberg, Stefan (SWE) 2,571 0 0
    6 Medvedev, Andrei (UKR) 2,415 0 0
    7 Ivanisevic, Goran (CRO) 2,186 0 0
    8 Chang, Michael (USA) 2,154 0 0
    9 Muster, Thomas (AUT) 2,033 0 0
    10 Pioline, Cedric (FRA) 2,012 0 0

    Pioline, Muster, Ivanisevic, Medvedev had 0 majors at the time. Chang, Bruguera, Stich had 1. Sampras had 3, Courier had 4, Edberg had 6.

    Becker and Agassi weren't even in the top 10 at the time. In fact, Agassi finished the year ranked 24.
    Rafter was a complete non-factor for another 4 years. FAIL.

    I assume you screwed up the other eras as well.

    The same way I can make a big top 10 that consists of: Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro, Roddick, Hewitt, Ferrero, is GAUDIO still playing :D (well his ranking doesn't even matter cause if you put 1993 Rafter as a tough opposition even though he finished the year ranked 66th :D, Gaudio's ranking would really matter, right? He's a slam champ!)
     
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    If Del Potro goes on to win another 4 majors he'll be know as tough opposition in THIS era, right? :)
     
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