If Federer does not win London Olympics

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  1. sureshs

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    Does it relegate him to permanent non-GOATdom considering that Rio is too far away and Nadal has the Golden Career Slam and winning H2H?
     
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  2. zcarzach

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    Yes, because winning an Olympic gold medal in tennis is the single most important achievement in the history of tennis. His 17 slams, record number of weeks at number 1, and record consecutive weeks at number 1 all pale in comparison to winning a minor tournament like the Olympics.
     
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    No.

    10 "nooooos".
     
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  4. baseline_monster

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    Not at all, without doubt the best player in the world to date. If raffa could stay fit I'd fancy his chances of getting close but injures will stop that.
     
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  6. sureshs

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    I will consider Nadal to be the GOAT if Fed does not win this Olympics.
     
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  7. zagor

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    Not at all, winning a 750 or not doesn't really affect Fed's career/legacy at this point, it's not like he's a young player breaking through or something.

    He'll just win another WTF instead which is worth twice as much :D
     
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  8. baseline_monster

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    I really can't see a reasonable explanation to answer that tbh. A great great player yes, but not goat at all.
     
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    Roger :D and Rafa :D both have very different Olympic histories. :p If Federer does not win a medal in 2012, he will not have won any singles medals in 4 attempts, while Rafa will have won 1 Olympic singles gold medal in 1 attempt.
     
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    I'm afraid not Suresh, see Nadal didn't even reach Cinci final yet:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=282818

    :)
     
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    Suresh is just trolling. He considers Nadal GOAT anyway in spite of knowing that he can never be the GOAT without winning Cincinnati.
     
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  12. sureshs

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    Good point.

    I would have to also consider Agassi to be greater than Federer due to his Golden Career Slam.
     
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  13. baseline_monster

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    Sureshs, so if dojokovic won the French open and held all 4 at once, then won this Olympics, you would also class him as the goat??? You will be tipping henman for the us open next
     
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    Good going suresh. But you can't surpass NSK. You just can't.
     
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    And with this, we shall close the thread. Best possible reply.
     
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    I would then look at Djokovic, Agassi and Nadal and decide.

    But definitely Federer would not figure in the discussions. Variety counts, not just Slams. once all Slams have been won once. Olympics is its own thing with its own atmosphere, and is the only joint sports event for the entire world. It is the only platform where a champion of one sport can compete with the champion of another sport on a world-wide scale to show he is the master of his specialization.
     
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  17. Biscuitmcgriddleson

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    Sorry about that, but Rafa has had two chances. Just because you choose not to play the Olympics doesn't mean you didn't have a chance to. I bet you see Nadal as a back to back Wimbledon champion also.
     
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    Of course not. It wasn't even taken seriously until recently, he has a Gold medal in doubles anyway, and it's just a fact that 6 World Tour Finals > an Olympic Gold.
     
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    Not participating in a tournament is not an official attempt. If he's not in the draw, he didn't participate. Whereas Federer participated in all of his, suffering embarrassing losses each time. :oops:
     
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  20. baseline_monster

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    This seems like a very silly way of judging. He has won an olympic gold medal has he not? If anything, it shows he is a greater player for the fact it's in doubles and shows how varied his play is.
     
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    Those come every year.

    O comes once in 4 years. A true champion like Nadal was ready whenever it came.
     
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    Then he would have been ready this year an: planned his schedule around it!!
     
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  23. DM07

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    So why has he never been ready for the WTFs, since they happen every year?
     
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    Federer has also never won a Davis Cup for Switzerland, whilst :D Rafa :D has helped Spain win the event many times. It's obvious that Federer just isn't much of a team player as :D Rafa :D is (the Olympic doubles gold medal being his only noteworthy 'team' performance)
     
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  25. baseline_monster

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    Omg there's are so many trolls on here ATM!!!!!
     
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    LOL doubles gold is half a gold medal. Only losers play doubles.
     
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    A full year of butt picking creates numerous side effects including a tear in the fabric of the space time continuum exactly when the WTF starts.
     
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  28. Start da Game

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    remove that word and the sarcasm's fine......
     
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    Good point. Doubles tennis is not an individual sport. I rank it as about equivalent to winning a Davis Cup (Nadal played the winning rubber in 2011).
     
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    Make sure you tweet that info to Alex Jones, I'm sure he will be happy to include it on his website.
     
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    Good point.

    Apart from O singles gold and superior H2H, Rafa also has a winning DC record which Fed does not. Another reason Fed cannot be GOAT unless he wins London.
     
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    I think Federer's oft expressed ardent desire and motivation to win the Olympics Singles is at fault for having made it an event with a higher perceived stature than it actually deserves. Otherwise had Federer been as ho-hum and yawnish about the Olympics as Sampras, no one would be making as big a deal out of it as the tards are doing. I, for one, am not even following the Olympics, let alone the tennis at the event -- this is of how little consequence, a Federer or Djok event means to me.
     
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  33. baseline_monster

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    Hahahahaha you really are a troll!!! Tell John McEnroe and Boris Becker they are losers!
     
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  34. Start da Game

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    GOAT discussions have lost the credibility once the media, nike and other sponsors started taking over and portrayed federer and nadal as GOATs.......

    90% are just casual followers who blindly vote for federer or nadal.......

    i think the GOAT concept ended with sampras.......the game is too easy for top players these days and i seriously can't consider anybody from this generation as an outright GOAT.......
     
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    As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter if he wins in London. This is his fourth attempt at it now after three failures. But :D Rafa :D is a fast learner; after losing early at Wimbledon in 2005 (still got further than Federer did in his first Wimbledon), made every final for each tournament he participated in from 2006-2011, and boasts a 52-1 record at Roland Garros (to which Federer's records at the other grand slams do not even come close).
     
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  36. sureshs

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    They are.........
     
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  37. WhiskeyEE

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    If Fed isn't GOAT, then a former player is.

    To claim that Rafa is competing for that designation or even top 5 is laughable. Rafa probably isn't even top 10 on the GOAT list.
     
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  39. baseline_monster

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    I will literally not take any comment from you serious.
     
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  40. sureshs

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    Rafa is definitely the better player, we all know that. It is a matter of deciding in a few days if Federer, who has played much longer than Rafa, can be currently called the GOAT.
     
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  41. sureshs

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    How many FOs did JMac win? Refresh my memory.
     
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    Really it doesn't matter, because regarless, Massu is GOAT.
     
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  44. sureshs

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    Federer winning the SOG is icing on the cake; so not winning is like having a cake with no icing -- not the best thing in the world...
     
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  46. sureshs

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    Nadal ate Fed's cake a long time ago
     
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    Neither am I (apart from the occasional scores) and nor should anybody who knows a thing or two about Dow and its history.. But nevermind... :roll:
     
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  48. sureshs

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    I think he is a better judge of its stature and what it means to you really does not matter
     
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    Yes, clearly. Talk Tennis Guru is never wrong :cool:
     
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    Pwned.
     
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