If Federer loses tomorrow, all talk of a Federer-Nadal Rivalry MUST End.

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  1. BeHappy

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    Federer never beats the guy on clay, Nadal never beats him on non clay surfaces, how is this a rivalry exactly?
     
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    Because they have had some awesome matches and Federer was about 199-5 the last three years againt anyone not named Nadal
     
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  3. ACE of Hearts

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    Its hard to call it a rivalry when most of the matches are on clay.They need to meet up more on hard courts and grass.
     
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    Still its kind of a valid point. Fed ownes Rafa in last couple of seasons or more, lets say last 30 months on hard surfaces and grass while Rafa does the oposite on clay. This is a rivalry only because they occasionaly come close to winning a match on the surface they do not prefer and we have nothing better at this point in time.
     
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  5. BeHappy

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    how is that a rivalry?
     
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    Nadal will figure out Fed on non-clay surfaces soon.
     
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    Keep dreaming Freak,lol.
     
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    You are emotional but not stupid. Rafa won the first meeting on hard, then barely lost the 2nd and then won third, all three dating back to early 2006 or before. From then on nothin on hard. No way is he going to start winning those now - Fed will just employ his clay court tactics and do the job. As for the grass, I stand by what Ive said, surely Rafa will find it more difficult to defend his semi this year, he's been through many tough calls in Wimbledon and they all went his way. Luck is something you can not count on all the time.
     
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    If you can't see what makes this a rivalry I have serious doubt in your general knowledge of Men's professional tennis. They have basically carried the Men's tour the last 2+ years. They have met at RG 4 years in a row, Wimbledon twice, and have had multiple other high profile encounters. They are the two best players playing right now.
     
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    Are you kidding me....Sampras and Agassi had no rivalry at all on clay and Sampras beat the crap out of Agassi most of the time on every other surface.....and it was still considered one of the greatest rivalrys.
     
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  11. BeHappy

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    no .
     
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  12. Nadal_Freak

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    We'll see about that. Nadal is in his prime. Federer is almost 5 years older so time is not on his side. Vamos Rafa! :)
     
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    He came really close to figuring Fed out on grass last year...
     
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    But the result is always a foregone conclusion.

    they are not Rivals on Clay, Nadal owns Federer.

    They are not Rivals on any other surface, Federer owns Nadal.
     
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    It's a rivalry only cause they meet a lot, and Fed wins some, and Nadal wins some others. Same thing with Nalbandian, but not the same with Roddick or Davydenko.

    But I see your point, it's not REALLY a rivalry.
     
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  16. Nadal_Freak

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    Grass went 5 sets. If not for Nadal's knee injury, Nadal would've won.
     
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  17. Mansewerz

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    Umm, no, 14-20 record is not considered getting the crap beat out of you. Those matches were competitive.
     
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  18. Nadal_Freak

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    Agreed. Agassi was Sampras's *****. Agassi got owned constantly and people still treat him like he is great. Lmao
     
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  19. Mansewerz

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    Would've could've should've, point is he didn't. You can't generalize so much about a single event.
     
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  20. BeHappy

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    Their record is actually 20-14.
     
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  21. dh003i

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    Laughable. As good as Nadal is, Federer is the more talented one. If anyone's going to "figure" out the other on the other's surface, it'll be Federer figuring out Nadal. Nadal played absolutely out of his mind insane at the Wimbledon finals, and it still wasn't enough to beat Federer (don't give me that injury crap...Federer was just clutch, and he won both of the tie-breaks (talk about mental strength)). Federer has never played out of his mind at the RG finals.
     
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    1)His knee injury didn't effect him, I think to this day he was trying to mess with Federer.

    2)Many Nadal Federer Clay matches have gone 5 sets, woulda, coulda, shoulda, DIDNA!
     
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  24. Nadal_Freak

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    Why not? Nadal was clearly outplaying Fed to that point. The knee injury changed everything. Similar to the blisters against Ferrero. No way Nadal loses that match otherwise.
     
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  25. BeHappy

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    Federer's Superior conditioning won him the match then?
     
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  26. Mansewerz

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    No way? No way Federer loses to Safin, the walking meltdown, in the Australian open after having such a great 2004 year. No way Federer loses to Canas. Dude, anything can happen. Federer finished it. And how do you know Fed was playing his best when Nadal was coming back?
     
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  27. Nadal_Freak

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    Nadal played to what he always does since Federer has an achilles heal against Nadal. THe high backhand and unfortunately playing 7 days in a row took its toll. Vamos to a straight set victory tomorrow. I'm excited to see your hero fall in straight sets. :p
     
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  28. Nadal_Freak

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    No conditioning can prepare you to play 7 straight days.
     
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  29. Mansewerz

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    Your hero hasn't won a major on anything but clay. No offense to Rafa, great respect for him, but many of his fans annoy me at times.
     
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  30. Nadal_Freak

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    Sampras played well when it counts. Agassi fed on the small tournaments and the early rounds of slams. Sampras knew better than to waste his time with that and destroyed Agassi on anything except Australian Open twice.
     
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  31. quest01

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    Yes he did. Nadal was very close to going up 2 sets to 1 at the 2006 Wimbledon Final and he pushed Federer to 5 sets at last years Wimbledon. So Federer and Nadal are almost even on grass.
     
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    Rivalry or not, in the end this is the bottom line. Rafa is one of the best clay court players ever. Roger is one of the best tennis players ever.
     
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  33. ACE of Hearts

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    There are not even on grass if its still called grass.Fed has 5 in a row for a reason.All eyes will be on Nadal and see if he can make another final at wimbledon.If they meet again in the final, it wont go beyond 5 sets again,i will tell u that.

    The one thing Nadal has going for him is the fact that the grass has become slower and there is more bounces on it.There are more rallies.
     
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  34. dh003i

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    Yea, who's fault is it Nadal couldn't put away opponents quickly, and needed to wait through delays?

    And maybe you can argue he was in excellent match-shape due to all that recent play, and Federer was a little rusty due to relative lack of match-play. Each has their advantages and disadvantages.

    The fact is, Federer won fair and square. Because he's simply unbelievable on grass, an all-time great on the surface, 2nd only perhaps to Sampras. And of course, the fact that they slowed down the grass, made it higher-bouncing really helped Nadal; because on the faster HC surfaces, Federer has been thoroughly dealing with Nadal in straights.
     
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  35. CityHeightsTennis

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    lol...how is it not a rivalry?
    #1 player in the world, and #2 player in the world...???
    if Fed and Nadal is not a rivalry then what is?
    Fed and A-Rod?
     
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  36. NikeWilson

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    if Nadal best Federer in straight set, i will proclaim Nadal to be the greatest clay court player of all time.
    but it must be straight sets. none of this 4 sets crap.
     
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    Yeah the grass in the 90's was ridiculous. No bounces pretty much. Glad they fixed that problem. Still the fastest surface though as the Nadal haters will quickly tell you the surface is like clay now. Pathetic attempt as I got stats to prove it otherwise.
     
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  38. dh003i

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    Yes, Nadal would've been straight-setted on the old grass by Federer; e.g., the 2003 grass from when he played Philippoussis (err, spelling?).

    Clay-court fans would be outraged if the French Open sped up the clay significantly and made it significantly lower-bouncing. (so would I, it would diminish the accomplishment of winning the FO & Wimbledon). Yet, they haven't said anything about the *******ization of Wimbledon. Hypocritical.
     
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  39. Mansewerz

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    That's the dumbest excuse I've ever heard. if you've got a game plan like that then I think you've got a lot more to worry about than not winning a French open.
     
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  40. Mansewerz

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    Problem is a relative word. To others it was a tradition. Slowing it down pretty much killed S&V, and in that case, Nadal would lose early.


    Also, does anyone know which year it was changed?
     
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    Like Agassi and Pete, Pete owns Agassi most of the times, but they still have good matches sometimes.
     
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    I guess you are an Agassitard. Time for a snot rocket. :rolleyes:
     
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    It didn't get fast until the 90's. It was slower when Borg was winning it. Maybe it was the racquets that made it seem slower. The racquets along with the bad bounces and high speed made Wimbeldon a serve fest. I'm fine with the way the surface is playing these days. It is somewhat fair now to players with Western grips. There won't be a surface that bounces super low anymore so Serve and Volleyers will probably be extinct.
     
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  44. xtremerunnerars

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    They didn't meet up in the past because people like Blake sent Rafa out on other surfaces...
     
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    And now where does Serve and volley go. Honestly, Western grips were meant for clay play, so it's not like they had no place. This is more unfair to serve and volley play.
     
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    Nadal can't go far in other tournaments to meet Fed in the final. Just this simple truth.

    For 2 years 2006 and 2007, Nadal didn't win any title after the FO until the next year's clay season.

    except 2007, he won another small clay event after Wimbledon. ;)

    now you can gauge what kind of a player he is, although he went to some finals.
     
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    Did you see Indian Wells and Miami? Nadal won the last 2 so saying Blake owns Nadal is obsolete. Grinders that feed off long ralleys to get their confidence are the worst matchups for Nadal. Youzhny, Ferrer, and Nalbandian I consider the the latest tough matchups for Nadal.
     
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    Serve and Volley relied on either a bad surface or bad racquets. Otherwise passing shots would be too good.
     
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    Which totally explains how Agassi passed the guy that holds the record for most aces in a year to win Wimbledon :rolleyes:
     
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    i get excited whenever they play, but i'm always thinking this isn't really much of a rivalry.

    i don't understand why later people get defensive.... OP clearly said rafa owns clay, roger owns the rest. the fact rafa doesn't make non-clay finals is barely relevent (except to counter-act those who point to rafa's H2H record vs. Roger). BTW, even though i'm huge roger fan, it seems like clay tennis is more than 1/4 of tennis "psyche" so rafa should probably get more credit than he does
     
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