If it was up to you, who would have won a slam?

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Who would you let win a slam?

  1. Pioline

    5.6%
  2. Rios

    13.0%
  3. Flipper

    3.7%
  4. Miroslav "Big Cat" Mecir

    13.0%
  5. Corretja

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Todd Martin(lurch)

    7.4%
  7. other

    16.7%
  8. Henman

    40.7%
  1. @wright

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    My choice would be Rios. His game is incredible to watch, plus I would have liked to see his reaction to winning. My guess is that he would have walked nonchalantly to his seat after the handshake and waited for the trophy presentation. Who knows, maybe he would have cried and smiled and kissed the trophy and all that, but it would have been a treat to see. Pioline would be my second choice.
     
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  2. gustavo33

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    todd martin... because he´s such a cool guy
    and his matches are always fun to watch... he´s got a lot of weapons
     
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  3. galain

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    I would liked to have seen Leconte get that French Open he came so close to back in the day. That would have been well deserved.

    In more recent times, it's hard to go past Pioline - he certainly had the game.
     
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  4. Shaolin

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    Rios of course.

    Yes, he would have nonchalantly walked over to get his trophy no doubt, after probably flipping off the Tournament Director, main sponsors and fans.
     
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  5. Kevin Patrick

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    I still can't believe Rios never won a slam. Such incredible talent.
    Plus personally, i like to see short guys do well in a sport that supposedly requires a lot of power to succeed(no body under 5'11 has won a slam since Chang in '89)
    So now I kinda root for Grosjean or Coria to fill that void.

    Shaolin, who's Koston?
     
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  6. Rabbit

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    Todd Martin simply for being the nicest guy on the tour. He definetly shoudl have won the US Open. He's had some Connors-like epic battles there. His best, IMO was the win against Greg "Who?" Rusedski. I still remember Rusedski complaining to the chair when Martin took an injury time out in the 5th set. Anything for the "W", right Greggie?
     
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  7. Ben42

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    Well I voted for Martin because he seems like a good guy and I like his game.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Henman get a slam either though.
     
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    henman for me

    poor chap has so much bloody pressure on his shoulders mate!
     
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  9. Max G.

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    I find this extremely amusing... if it was Greg who had taken an injury timeout in the fifth set, people would be complaining about his gamesmanship - taking a timeout in a critical moment, anything to win, right Greggie? And since it was Martin who took the timeout, you get down on Greg for complaining about it...
     
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  10. Shaolin

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    Kevin,
    Yeah GS champions under 5'11'' are hard to find. Check out how many there have been recently right at 5'11'' or 6' though, its crazy. Hewitt, Ferrero, Costa, Johansson, Agassi, Nalby (finalist)...

    Also, Koston=Eric Koston, best skateboarder ever by far. Best style, way technical.
     
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  11. @wright

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    What about Tony Hawk(thought I'd open up a can of worms...)? That is crazy about no slam winner under 5'11 since '89. I wonder how many have made it to the finals of a slam since then?
     
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  12. Kevin Patrick

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    I'm also willing to bet that Chang, Rios, Coria, Grosjean are closer to 5'7 or 5'8 than 5'9. Rios is only short guy even close to winning a slam since Chang(reaching the finals of '98 Aussie)
    Here's another crazy stat, I think when Chang won in '89 he was first guy in that height range to win a slam since Rosewall in the 70's.
     
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  13. Jonas

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    All the players above are worthy to holders of a slam trophy. Of the bunch i liked the games of pioline and rios best. I would say henman has the best shot of the lot to get himself taken off of that list, but he will have a major up-hill battle. I will be rooting for him! I always thought corretja had a french open in him, but alas i was wrong>
     
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  14. Shaolin

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    Awright--
    There have been 13 5'11''/6'0 Grand Slam winners since 1989...

    4 at AO: Agassi (3), Johansson(1)

    4 at RG: Muster(1), AA (1), Costa(1), JCF (1)

    2 at W: AA (1), Hewitt(1)

    3 at US: AA (2), Hewitt (1)

    I was going to make a separate post about this but too lazy I guess. It seems 5'11'' to 6'1'' is the optimal height for tennis, just based on slam results.

    About the Tony Hawk vs Koston thing, thats a bigger difference than comparing Mixed clay court doubles to Hardcourt singles. Actually there isnt a big enough gap in tennis to compare. Comparing Willie Renshaw to Federer maybe?

    Hawk is good on vert (ramp skating) and innovated alot on that surface, but modern skating is street skating, and Hawk has contributed about as much to street skating as Agassi has to serve & volley tennis. Koston owns modern street skating, although there are millions of new kids trying to next best, like Paul Rodriguez who just signed a million dollar deal with Nike.
     
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  15. Kevin Patrick

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    Shaolin,
    don't mean to be nit-picky, but the atp's website lists Ferrero at 6'0
     
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  16. Shaolin

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    Kevin--I stated in my list above 5'11''/6'0'', because I was taking into account JCF...
     
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  17. Vanja Ljubibratic

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    I'd like to see Henman finally win Wimbledon. This is the one tournament that he wants the most, and he's shown a lot of guts, heart, and desire in his persuit of the title. The ENTIRE country of Great Britain also always gets behind him. I don't think there is any other player playing at his home slam that gets more support than Henman at Wimbledon. I think that he'll do some damage this year. I don't see him winning, but if he gets lucky with a good seeding like he's had in the past, he could get to the SF again definitely. I'll really be pulling for him at Wimbledon.
     
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  18. Kevin Patrick

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    Sorry Shaolin, I must have glossed over that part. But all the other players you mentioned are 5'11, right? Its funny, but certain hights seem to be popular on tour(i.e. I think 6'0 is not very common, but 6'1 is, ditto with 5'8 & 5'9)
    Its like the NBA sometimes with the rounding up.
     
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  19. Hyperstate

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    Rios! followed by Henman. Although one of my mates, a Brit, says with long suffering that Henman has a tendency to "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" :roll:
     
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  20. sarpmas

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    "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory"! LMAO! This is hilarious!! I too, hope Henman can finally win Wimbledon.
     
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  21. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    Rios all the way. One of the most talented players ever. Second choice would be Pioline so I could see his amazing shots.
     
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  22. ZhuangCorp

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    Yes i agree with Shaolin,
    5'11-6'1 is the optimal height for tennis. Anything over 6'1
    has too long arms, and wilder/longer strokes and probably won't be as consistent. Also, the taller players have much more difficulty moving their legs. Anything below 5'11 seems to have harder time hitting the ball as well, as well as problems with reach on high bouncing balls, although footwork seems to be better/quicker.
     
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  23. sseemiller

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    Todd Martin, definitely.
     
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  24. @wright

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    I think Rios had the most effective serve for a short man, he could swing that puppy out wide and put the point away with his next shot. That was his bread and butter play, and it was almost as effective as the guys who serve big bombs .
     
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    Santoro :D. Also Roddick, I feel bad he just can not win one on his own :evil: .
     
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    Difference being, Todd Martin would never complain about Greggie taking an injury timeout in the 5th.
     
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  27. irishbanger

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    I'm 5'10", and stood next to Agassi at last years Scottsdale tournament and he was exactly my heigth. Always take at least an inch off the media guide numbers.
     
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  28. @wright

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    I had a feeling Todd Martin would be a sentimental favorite, but Timmy is kind of a surprise for me, I think of him as one of the least likely out of these guys to win a big one.
     
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  29. nyu

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    Everybody's forgetting Clement! He's no taller than 5'8(heard he's as short as 5'6) and he made it the Australian Open finals.
     
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    Tim Mayotte
    Todd Martin
     
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  31. jmckinney

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    I would love to see Henman win Wimbledon, could you imagine the chaos that would break out in all of England. I wish that Rios had won a slam. Flipper sucks and doesn't deserve a slam. Pioline would have been nice to win one also, he was an extremely talented player.
     
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  32. BreakPoint

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    I haven't seen all that many Rios matches before, but am I the only one that doesn't feel Rios' game is as spectacular as many here make it out to be? I was actually surprised a few years back when he attained the number one ranking, albeit only breifly. To me, he just looked like any other steady baseliner. Please enlighten me as to what is so special about Rios and what is this "talent" that so many of you speak of?

    BTW, I voted for Martin just because I think the big guy deserves it for all the hard work he's put in throughout his career, for dealing with a multitude of injuries, and for fighting his way through all those 5-set matches (has anyone played more 5-setters in their career, other than Chang?), especially the one he should have won against Agassi at the '99 U.S. Open final after being up 2 sets to 1.
     
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  33. BreakPoint

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    Lots of players under 6' won Grand Slams in the '70's and '80's, though.

    Both McEnroe and Borg are 5' 11". Connors is 5' 9" or 5' 10" at the most. Vilas is about 5' 10" or 5' 11". Kriek is about 5' 9". And how tall is Wilander? About 5' 10"?

    Then came guys like Lendl, Becker, Edberg, and Sampras.

    Times have changed.
     
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  34. @wright

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    BP, have you seen a good Rios match? When he was feeling pretty he could beat up on anyone. His bread and butter was the lefty serve waaaaay out wide and a winner down the line. For a short guy, his serve was incredible. He could hit amazing angles on groundies at the toughest times. He also did this so artistically, it almost seemed like he was playing a different sport at times, it seemed so effortless.
     
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  35. BreakPoint

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    Thanks, @wright. I guess I never paid much attention to his matches. I knew I was missing something. All I can remember is that my gf used to say he looked like a scrungy, homeless guy.

    From your description, he sounds like he has a similar game to Arazi. Arazi is so talented that he makes amazing shots from all areas of the courts, uses every kind of spin, and makes it all look so natural and effortless. How does Rios' game compare to that of Arazi's?
     
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    I would say Rios has a similar game to Arazi, but Rios at his best would blow Arazi's best off the court IMO. BP, to sum it all up, Rios is the only guy that has ever made me want to be a short, stocky South American with a ponytail.
     
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  37. BreakPoint

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    BTW, Arazi also came to mind, not only because of his and Rios' seemingly natural talent for the game, but coincidently, they're also both short and left-handed.

    Even so, I think I'd still prefer to be tall and strong, like Safin. I mean, look at the babes he attracts.
     
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  38. @wright

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    Safin is one of my favorites to watch right now. He hits the ball so clean.
     
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  39. Hyperstate

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    I've seen Rios at his best and it was a joy to watch that man hit his shots. Great angles and pace. IMO, if Rios rates as 100%, Arazi will be 75% at most.

    BTW, Henman stands a reaaallly good chance of winning Wimby if he can get past the semis and face either Roddick or FedEx in the final! Players he has an edge over. FedEx is still my current fav player tho.
     
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  40. Morpheus

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    I'd like to see Anna K win one and only one. No wins except for Wimbledon. That would be just right.

    As for a Slam, I'd go for Todd Martin. He's an old guy and he's a good sport. You gotta like that...
     
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  41. Drop Shot 11

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    I voted Henman, because I think he let the British crowd and fans down since he never won Wimbledon. If he won the slam, I think he'd be a hero to them.
     
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  42. galactico

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    people don't win slams because they don't deserve tham. PERIOD
     
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  43. Commando Tennis Shorts

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    This thread is kind of ridiculous. Whoever wins Slams deserves to have won them, so why would you take anything away from them? Also, it's not up to you and me; it's up to the players and circumstances.

    Also, what criteria are we using? If we're talking about who deserved to win one, that list already exists, in the form of everyone who has won a Slam. If we're going with most likable, that has nothing to do with whether someone should have won a slam.
     
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  44. jamesblakefan#1

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    James Blake.

    But I agree, the people that win slams, win them b/c they deserved them. It's unfortunate James wasn't good enough to win one so far, more than likely ever.
     
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  45. lambielspins

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    The people on that list that I feel deserved a slam were Todd Martin, Corretja, and Mecir. Would have liked to see Martin get 1 Wimbledon or U.S Open. Would have liked to see Corretja get 1 French. Would have liked to have seen Mecir maybe win that 88 Wimbledon he almost beat Edberg in the semis at, or 1 of his smackdowns at the hands of Lendl turn into a win. Pioline a huge NOOOOO! Pioline reaching 2 slam finals was an embarassment and a giant hole to the 90s addicts bolstering of the supposably amazing 90s field. The guy didnt even win a title until he was like 27. Flipper reaching 2 slam finals was fine, but I am more than ok with him not winning one all the same. Rios, no, a huge flake and highly overrated.
     
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  46. IvanAndreevich

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    Nalby all the way
     
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  47. Ernests Gulbis
     
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  48. Max G.

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    Way to bring back a thread that hadn't had a post in *over five years*.

    Also, I voted "other". If it was up to me, just like that - I would have won a slam by now.
     
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  49. galactico

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    nalbandian is overrated, players like roddick and gaudio are much better; they have a slam
     
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    Tim Henman and Sjeng Schalken. David Nalbandian would have been cool too but I want him to earn it by working hard and living up to his talent
     
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