If Murray loses his third Slam Final in a row, should he be inspired by Ivan Lendl?

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  1. Oceansize

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    I mean, Lendl lost his first 4 Slam Finals, and eventually won his first when he was 24 years old. Murray is still 23, so although he could struggle to get over losing another Final, perhaps he shouldn't be too down hearted.

    I was too young to watch tennis in the 80s, so before i get flamed for comparing Murray to Lendl, i'm not saying Murray is in anyway as good as Lendl, who from what i understand is considered an all time great, making 21 Slam Finals of which he won 8. I just thought it's interesting that someone like Lendl lost their first 4 Slam Finals.

    Apart from Lendl, and potentially Murray, has anyone else lost their first 3 Slam Final appearances?
     
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  2. TheFifthSet

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    Andre Agassi.
     
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    Lets go Lendl over that Lendl definitely at his best much superior to Agassi and Lendl dominated the tour I would seek influence from him before Agassi.
     
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    Agassi lost his 1st 3 slam finals (1990 French, 1990 US, 1991 French) before winning Wimbledon in 92.
     
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    Wow, how did i forget Agassi? I suppose that should give Murray even more inspiration, as after losing their first three Slam Finals, both Lendl and Agassi went on to win 8 Slams each.
     
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    Better for Murray to look at Agassi....maybe Murray-Roddick wimbledon final 2012...with Murray in 5!
     
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    Good observation, Lendl is a great figure to inspire young players.
     
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    "If Murray loses his third Slam Final in a row, should he be inspired by Ivan Lendl?"

    Inspiration is one thing, breaking through is another.

    Murray would be better off trying to emulate the Lendl serve and forehand.
     
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    It's just occurred to me that as Murray was born in 1987, there's a chance he may know as much as about Lendl as i do, ie. not a lot. I think his idol was Agassi, so he's more likely to take inspiration from him losing his first three Slam Finals. But the point is i suppose that he realises he's not the first person to lose his first three Slam Finals, and the other guys who did, went on to do ok in the end.
     
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    I think Murray be inspired by Andre Agassi if he loses the 3rd slam final on the row :lol:
     
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    Good point! At the end of the day, just because Lendl and Agassi went on to do well, doesn't in any way guarantee Murray will. But it may just give him a reason not to get too gloomy and depressed.

    After Lendl lost his first 4 finals, did he make improvements in his game, or was he just unlucky to end up losing all 4 of those finals?
     
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    That like Murray losing the AO and then winning RG :) (but Agassi very good on grass - just people didn't know back then) Maybe Murray good on clay secretly :lol:
     
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    Lendl. 1HBH trumps all :D

    Unfortunately, I see Murray more as an Agassi guy, so he'll probly draw it from him
     
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    wtf is with the Agassi hate on this forum. He's one of the greatest players of all time. Show the man some respect.
     
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    Safina.

    The psychward escapee lost her first 2 before falling off the charts.
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    Seriously. The way some people talk about it him you'd never think the guy won eight (8) slams and a gold medal.

    Some guy said he was a "rich-man's Davydenko" and I raged.
     
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    I agree Scientist :lol:
     
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    One way is use the eraser tool and erase everything around nadal. Then cut and paste it onto the other photo you want to.
    Not sure if you can do that in windows Paint.exe
     
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    Thanks ma'am :lol:
     
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    He should be inspired by Ivanisevic. Wait until you’re 30 and given a wild card.
     
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  22. NadalAgassi

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    Heck no. Murray isnt worthy to sniff Lendl's jock strap.
     
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    I know. Agassi is an easy target because he had a lot of downs in his career and he seldom put together a run of dominance. Even in his best years of 1995 and 1999, his biggest rival had the last laugh. But overall and throughout his career, Agassi did it all.
     
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    Every player should be aspired by Lendl.
     
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    Has anyone lost their first FOUR slam finals? :shock: :lol:
     
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  28. NadalAgassi

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    Helena Sukova and Ivan Lendl both did. Lendl ended up winning 8 slams anyway. Sukova ended up slamless. Unfortunately for Murray his talent level is more on par with Sukova than Lendl.
     
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    Lendl. FO, USO, AO, USO, then won RG
     
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  30. NadalAgassi

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    How will she reach another slam final? Sit on each player to squash their breathing before each round until the final. That is even before figuring out how she will even get into the main draw by that point. :lol:
     
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    Murray will win a Major - as long as Federer, Nadal and Djokovic aren't the opposition.
     
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    My problem with the Lendl and Agassi comparisons is that they both lost competitive finals before breaking through. Murray has yet to win a set.

    The head and the heart say he'll continue to reach finals, but only the heart thinks he'll eventually break through.
     
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    Ivan Lendl is 8-11 in slam finals, after losing his first 4, and 6 of his first 7:

    1981 French Open F: Bjorn Borg def. Ivan Lendl (6-1, 4-6, 6-2, 3-6, 6-1)
    1982 US Open F: Jimmy Connors def. Ivan Lendl (6-3, 6-2, 4-6, 6-4)
    1983 US Open F: Jimmy Connors def. Ivan Lendl (6-3, 6-7, 7-5, 6-0)
    1983 Australian Open F: Mats Wilander def. Ivan Lendl (6-1, 6-4, 6-4)
    1984 French Open F: Ivan Lendl def. John McEnroe (3-6, 2-6, 6-4, 7-5, 7-5)
    1984 US Open F: John McEnroe def. Ivan Lendl (6-3, 6-4, 6-1)
    1985 French Open F: Mats Wilander def. Ivan Lendl (3-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-2)
    1985 US Open F: Ivan Lendl def. John McEnroe (7-6, 6-3, 6-4)
    1986 French Open F: Ivan Lendl def. Mikael Pernfors (6-3, 6-2, 6-4)
    1986 Wimbledon F: Boris Becker def. Ivan Lendl (6-4, 6-3, 7-5)
    1986 US Open F: Ivan Lendl def. Miloslav Mecir (6-4, 6-2, 6-0)
    1987 French Open F: Ivan Lendl def. Mats Wilander (7-5, 6-2, 3-6, 7-6)
    1987 Wimbledon F: Pat Cash def. Ivan Lendl (7-6, 6-2, 7-5)
    1987 US Open F: Ivan Lendl def. Mats Wilander (6-7, 6-0, 7-6, 6-4)
    1988 US Open F: Mats Wilander def. Ivan Lendl (6-4, 4-6, 6-3, 5-7, 6-4)
    1989 Australian Open F: Ivan Lendl def. Miloslav Mecir (6-2, 6-2, 6-2)
    1989 US Open F: Boris Becker def. Ivan Lendl (7-6, 1-6, 6-3, 7-6)
    1990 Australian Open F: Ivan Lendl def. Stefan Edberg (4-6, 7-6, 5-2 ret.)
    1991 Australian Open F: Boris Becker def. Ivan Lendl (1-6, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4)
     
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    I really hope all that was copy pasted. ^^
     
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    No, all off the top of my head.
     
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    The main difference is that Murray is 0-9 in sets from 3 finals. A record unlikely to be broken.
     
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    You sir, Are a library full of knowledge.

    Keep it perky son.
     
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    Fred Stolle lost his first 5 before winning at Roland Garros: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Stolle

    Harry Hopman was 0-3 lifetime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hopman
    So was Bunny Austin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunny_Austin
    And so was Frank Hunter (1923 W, 1928-29 US)
     
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    Clijsters lost her first FOUR.
     
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    Agassi is both the most unfortunate and most fortunate player that has played on the tour in most recent history. He was unfortunate in that he had to play some of the best players in the history of the game and had some really bad match-ups early on (Courier and Sampras in particular). Not to mention the field in general was extremely strong during the early 90s.



    He was fortunate in that the field got significantly weaker in the late 90s and early 2000s compared to the early to mid 90s (this is an unarguable fact, you cannot even compare the likes of Rios, Kafelnikov, Rusedski, to Edberg, Lendl, Becker, etc.) which just so happened to coincide with his comeback to the tour. Had he faced similar competition to the early to mid 90s, it is likely Agassi wouldn't have won so many slams (although he would have picked up a few, I highly doubt he'd pick up that many slams).



    Not to mention that Agassi got really lucky to win both his Wimbledon and FO, with his final opponents severely choking. Wimbledon was probably his luckiest slam since he faced almost nobody that could threaten him in probably one of the most stacked Wimbledon fields of all time, and he faced Becker, a guy who he owned for the most part, and Goran, a notorious mental midget in finals.
     
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    Sorry but Murray is no Ivan Lendl.
     
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    If Murray were smart he would take Lendl's on court demeanor and use it for his own. Lendl was emotionless on court giving his opponents no sense as to if they were getting to him mentally.

    Murray let's his opponents gain strength and confidence every time he starts whining and complaining and shouting at his box.
     
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