If Nadal...

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  1. Nadalfan89

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    wins the AO, he will be the only man in history to hold all four grandslams on four different surfaces. He will have dominated the tour on every single surface. Add the fact that he has a gold medal in singles, which Sampras, Laver and Federer do not have, and the fact that he has the most master's despite being in the middle of his career....I think it's safe to say that if he wins the AO, he's the GOAT.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. kishnabe

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    Delete this thread before things get ugly! Especially when Nadal fails to win!
     
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  3. The-Champ

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    If he can make Federer cry for the second time, then we can consider his candidacy. Once is a fluke ;)
     
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  4. edman9898

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    Clay, grass, hard court. What's the fourth surface?
     
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  5. Semi-Pro

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    If Nadal...

    Was your daddy, would you let him spank you?
     
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    Andre Agassi called........ He's going to enrol you free in his school.
     
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  7. Legend of Borg

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    Rafa pulled off the grueling bagel today.

    Surely he's already GOAT for defeating swiftly moving and dangerous Daniel?
     
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  8. nadal_slam_king

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    Definitely, it sets him up perfectly. He'll also very likely win 8 or more Roland Garros titles which puts him ahead of Sampras' 7 Wimbledons. And then there's the 18 Masters Shields record which will probably become about 30.
     
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  9. danielrios

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    wasnt he the goat already??????? man,

    If you call dominance 2 HC slams... Federer has 9 man, that's dominance. And 6 on grass.
     
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  10. nadal_slam_king

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    But Federer only has one slam on clay, even at age 30!
     
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  11. Messarger

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    actually it's only one surface. red clay, green clay, deco turf clay, and the blue clay at the AO.
     
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    Water... all that flooding in Australia... See below...

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    IF he wins the AO, he will have had one of the most amazing 12 months in tennis history. However, GOAT is based on an entire career, not just 1 year. When his career is over, then we will be able to compare it to others. At this point, if he wins AO but then never picks up a racquet again, no, he is not yet GOAT.
     
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    So???? Nadal is the best current claycourter, but:

    Grass and HC: 2
    Clay: 1

    2 > 1

    Understand????
     
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    Err, four remarkably similar surfaces, that are barely different.

    He's not GOAT. Have him play a clay court tourney and win that then play on indoor wood and win that a few times in a row and tell me he's better than that.

    Sorry, Nadal isn't GOAT yet...

    Btw, the real GOAT era contest is between Kod Roser and Rogael Fedal
     
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  17. nadal_slam_king

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    LOL he's 24 and only just begun his prime on hardcourts.....while the other guy is 30 and very unlikely to win another clay slam. Rafa will win between 5 and 10 hardcourt slams most likely.
     
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    5 to 10??? HAHAHA are you kidding me??? USO was all about fluke and easy draws. After trying and trying it must happen anytime.

    And yeah, he's 24 but his knees are 50.
     
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  19. coloskier

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    Well, it certainly isn't indoor fast hard court.
     
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  20. Nadalfan89

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    Lol, whenever Nadal loses because his knees are messed up, *******s claim that he's making excuses. Then whenever someone says Nadal will win many majors, *******s claim his knees are messed up.

    Such creative logic!
     
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    you are winner for posting that.
     
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    okay, you are right. He is the GOAT

    you are dealing with kids around 11-12 years old, agree with them, cause they get easily upset.Thanks.
     
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  23. nadal_slam_king

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    A bunch of Wimbledons too.

    He hasn't even had a knee surgery, silly. He's only got tendonitis, and his new doctor in 2010 treated each knee (one early in the year and the other just after Wimbledon) and neither knee has had tendonitis flareups since. His doctor is the pioneer of blood-spinning treatment. Sorry.
     
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  24. nadal_slam_king

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    LOL, very funny people.
     
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  25. John_Doe

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    Sorry, but as a physician, I must say that this "blood-spinning" therapy is just a fad. Its merely an alternative route that fed up athletes take when conventional therapy (physical therapy, rest, ice, compression, pain medications, surgery) fails, and understandably so. If I had tendonitis that were refractory to conventional therapy, I too would be willing to try something new, however, all the data published thus far shows that it is no more beneficial than placebo therapy and certainly not any better than traditional therapy.
     
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  26. nadal_slam_king

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    Not according to the Rafa camp. And they have the know-how in their corner beyond anyone else in this area. I read that his treatment takes 4 days and his knee is immediately 100% after those 4 days. Also he was receiving blood-spinning treatment in 2008-09 but from a different doctor with a different way of applying it. It never worked and the new doctor pointed out the faults in the 2008-09 doctor's method, and took over.
     
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  27. John_Doe

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    You can choose to believe that such a miracle therapy exists, I was just giving my professional opinion based on the studies out there, which are very sound scientifically and show no benefit.
     
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  28. John_Doe

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    That makes absolutely no sense at all. The theory behind "blood spinning" therapy is long term healing, not immediate relief. Its not a steroid or lidocaine shot, its an infusion of platelets, which are thought to contain cytokines that promote tissue growth and healing in the long term.
     
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  29. nadal_slam_king

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    Well if you talk to Rafa's doctor I'm sure you can learn a lot, since he is the most well known doctor in this area.

    http://gototennis.com/2010/09/25/rafael-nadal-knee-update-his-doctors-spin-on-prp-therapy/

     
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    The only spinning the Nadal camp does are the stories and excuses they come up with every time he suffers a devastating loss.
     
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  31. John_Doe

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    Yes I have read that same exact article and many others after some patients of mine expressed interest in the treatment. Don't believe what his doctors are telling you, it is not a miraculous one or two day treatment. It takes weeks to months to take effect and even then the results are marginal at best.

    Read the Scientific American article that is linked in that gototennis link, it sheds some light on the theory behind the practice. Since then, every clinical trial, including many double blinded placebo trials, have proven its use as not benefical. Don't fall for the propaganda from the Nadal camp about his "miracle cure." His knees are getting better with steroid shots into the joint space, physical training, and periods of rest, nothing more.
     
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  32. Messarger

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    The only spinning the Nadal forehand does are the crosscourts and down the lines it come up with every time he suffers a deciding break point.
     
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  33. nadal_slam_king

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    If you're talking about the Del Potro loss, he had a torn stomach muscle which he acquired before the 2009 US Open, and was hitting the 1st serve at only 106mph. Even running is difficult with that type of injury. 15mm torn muscle according to his doctor.

    Soderling Roland Garros loss was foreseeable, he'd been moving a step slow during all the clay events that year even when he was winning. He told in the Spanish TV interview in June 09 that he'd been taking pain-killers before every match in the clay season. That was actually a result of the late 2008 tendonitis which he old doctor couldn't help and it got worse during the 2009 AO which he won.
     
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    If Ralph would just disappear it would be great for us real tennis fans.

    Then he could cheat, intimidate and pick somewhere else.
     
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  35. John_Doe

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    Just out of curiosity, since when did everyone start calling him Ralph and for what reason?
     
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    Because he can get girls that you see on Ralph Magazine.
     
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    While I am far from a nadal fan I have to protest your statement in light of your comment in the "injury" it is truly unhealthy to harbor such ill feelings toward someone you do not know if you find that these feelings are recurrent towards several people you do not know, you should seek help.....
     
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  38. MichaelNadal

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    The funny thing is it's not even an insult. One person thought it was funny and the others are too unoriginal to come up with something else.
     
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    Ralph just rolls of the tongue
     
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    "Ralph's sexiest sisters"?

    -Nadal is into incestuous relations and likes to eat kebab's nude?
     
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  41. TBrady

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    The shoe fits. Its a funny perjorative term for a lying cheater.

    I have dozens of names for that guy that probably shouldn't be posted haha.
     
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  42. MichaelNadal

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    Lol, well A. any Rafa fan really isn't going to care regardless, and B. Rafa's racquet will continue to do the talking. So by your lead Mr. Turner.
     
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    I just call him Ralph for the heck of it. I like the guy. Don't think he is a cheater or anything.
     
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    I'm sure nadal can too, considering he ignored their advice twice in 2009, and continued to play even though they continued to state he needed 3-4 weeks rest to let the inflamation go down, diagnose, and treat.

    Guess he just wasn't injured and they were full of it.
     
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    I know they will continue to exist in the innards of Rafas colon. Clean living!
     
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    Yeah it's pretty funny IMO. I call him Rafito most of the time.

    It's amazing how anyone can troll someone that has done so much for the sport of tennis. I always root for Nadal when he plays Fed, but otherwise, I have nothing but respect for Federer.
     
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    Oh yeah lying, cheating, intimidating, faking injuries, picking wedgies, phony character do a ton for the sport.

    What an inspiration!
     
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    Get back to us when Nadal makes it to 23 consecutive Grand Slam semifinals.
     
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    Or when Nadal has won 16 grand slams!
     
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