If Rnadal surpasses Rfederer in slam count,will he be considered the greatest ever?

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If Rnadal surpasses Rfederer in slam count,will he be considered the greatest ever?

  1. yes

    30.6%
  2. yes

    1.4%
  3. yes

    0.7%
  4. yes

    1.4%
  5. yes

    4.2%
  6. yes

    2.8%
  7. yes

    1.4%
  8. yes

    0.7%
  9. yes

    3.5%
  10. no

    53.5%
  1. tusharlovesrafa

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    Assuming Rfederer retire this year without winning US open and Rnadal retires some where in 2016 with 17 slams of more,will be considered the greatest Sportsman in the WORLD HISTORY!:p
     
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  2. BigForehand

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    he never won the tour finals while Federer won it 6 times.

    ****** won a bunch of clay titles, how the F can you be the best tennis player ever winning on 1 surface?
     
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  3. tennisMVP

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    McEnroe said Nadal already is greater than Federer because of all the Davis Cups and the Gold Medal to go along with his slams.
     
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  4. Jeffrey573639

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    Yeah and Mac has a lot of credibility these days
     
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  5. tennisMVP

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    But isn't Mac the hottest property in tennis commentary? Also, he has often been referred to as a tennis genius.
     
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  6. sbengte

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    The bigger question is if tlovesrafa surpasses nslamking/bzilla ?
     
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  7. Jeffrey573639

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    Not sure if sarcastic or not.....:-?
     
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  8. edmondsm

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    McEnroe has a giant lefty man crush on Nadal.
     
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  9. tennisMVP

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    Who's the hottest property if not Mac? He's been the king of tennis commentary since the mid-90s.
     
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  10. SystemicAnomaly

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    RN has won 2/3 (8 of 12) of his slam titles on the clay at the FO. RF has excelled on all surfaces. Even tho' he only won the FO once, he made it to the finals 5x (and QF or better 10x). He won ~40% of his slam titles on his best surface. Take those away and he still has 10 slams titles. Take away RN's FO titles and he is only left with 4. Not hard to come to the conclusion that RF was more prolific and much more versatile with his slam wins.

    Seems doubtful that RN's knees will let him make it to 17 anyway. Could happen tho but it would not mean as much unless he could manage to make 5 more on a surface other than clay.
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  11. mike danny

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    well it depends. so far he does not have a goat resume. jist 4 slams outside of clayvis not a goat resume. it is a nice one to have but far from goat. fedcand sampras have dominated 2 surfaces: grass and hards. nafal on the other hand did not and has been eliminated early in what is supposed to be his second favorite surface. i mean he cannot survive to players ranked in the 100's in the world on his second favorite surface on which he has only 2 slams and lost more finals than he won. look fed and sampras also cpuld not play on clay like rafa has and it is a valid argument clay is just a surface. those 2 have dominated 2/3 surfaces rafa just 1 which makes him the clay goat.

    federer is not goat only because of his slams. weeks at no.1 are also important. nadal cannot be given a pass on this just because the competition is tougher. this is no excuse. old man federer snatcjes the no. 1 from djokovic who is supposed to be rafa's main rival. if federer cpuld do it why not rafa who is supposed to be greater than fed. you cannot be the goat if you were always no. 2 in the world behind your main rivals. who cares if you lead both of them in h2h? they still are more consistent than tou against the field. being always behind your rivals does not make you the goat.

    about the gold medal thing: congratulations to rafa but agassi as well has the gold and the career slam and he still is not considered the goat. why should rafa?

    and about the domination over his rivals: it only further shows he is the king of clay. he is actually led by both fed and nole outside of it. yes clay is a legitimate surface but i doubt rafa would have these leads without so many meetings on clay. he deserves those leads but it is because he is better on clay than his rivals.
     
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  12. adil1972

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    no question about it whoever wins more slam will be consider greatest

    die hard fed/seles/agassi fan
     
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  13. tennisMVP

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    In the end, Mac's voice will stand above all others. And therefore its been decided already that Nadal is the GOAT. And when he ties Sampras on 14.....LOOK OUT! Because the media hype will be deafening every slam after that.
     
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  14. Jeffrey573639

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    Exactly, he's quite stale
     
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  15. tennis_pro

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    Do you ever read what you write? I think it's time you started doing that.
     
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  16. ScottleeSV

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    As a Federer fan, I would personally say Nadal deserves the GOAT status if he gets to 18. If he gets to 17, it's more of a gray area.

    If he ends with less than 17, sorry, but Federer wins.
     
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  17. TennisLovaLova

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    In terms of style, Federer's game is/was the greatest ever.
    That's why Nadal will never be the GOAT, even with 23 GS
     
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  18. Federer20042006

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    Depends on how he does it.

    If he does it by winning 6 more French Open titles, no.
     
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  19. mike danny

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    if he hasca mcenroe like careercoutside of clay than he deserves to be goat
     
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  20. Phoenix1983

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    Difficult to say.

    If Rafa got to 18 slams with a better mix (i.e. he wins another 6 slams, of which 2 are at the FO, 2 at W and 2 at USO), and he had a few more years as world #1, and won the YEC at least 3 times, then maybe.

    Otherwise, simply getting to 17-18 slams will not cut it, compared to all the other GOAT-like achievements Fed has.
     
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  21. powerangle

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    If you're a pure slam-ist...then yes.
     
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  22. Manus Domini

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    A great argument against capitalism, if I ever heard one.

    Yes, he's a genius at playing tennis. I leave genius commenting to pundits.
     
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  23. Magnus

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    No. And ban the OP for equal poll options please.
     
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  24. underground

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    LOL give up the one single no option is still leading all the remaining yes. :lol:
     
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  25. fednad

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    McEnroe has been an idiot since his days as a player.
    Let us not mind him.
     
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  26. fednad

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    Haha..that really gave me a chuckle.
    Well said mate.
     
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  27. cknobman

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    Umm you forgot to tune in the very next day after Rafa lost. McEnroe backtracked and called Federer the GOAT again.

    LOL. JMac is a bandwagoneer and hype train.
     
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  28. falstaff78

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    Hey Tushie you are no trolling GOAT. If you were, you would have put multiple "no" options to split the infidels' votes and a single "yes" option to consolidate the faithful. This strategy would have been your only chance to overturn the head-to-head against a superior player, namely the "no" which is not only the most popular option (ie a plurality) but an outright majority.

    It should be noted that knowing when to deploy resources and when not to deploy resources to achieve a winning head-to-head against a superior opponent (player, polling option, whatever else) should an entry level qualification for all Nadal fans. You can't go around losing polls to more popular options. Therefore IMHO this is a rather significant trolling fail.

    I leave it to other believers to adapt and use the technique I have sugested in the future!

    Hope you are well!
     
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  29. Sentinel

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    Rafa will have to win 5 more RG's to equal Fed, 6 to surpass. That means he will have to play until 32 or so. Which means he will probably have to skip the post-clay season every year if he wishes to hang in another 6-7 years and be certain to be in decent form in May.

    p.s thread rated 5 stars.
    Voted No just to troll OP.
     
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  30. tusharlovesrafa

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    When Rnadal surpasses fed you will have no where to hide.I won't be surprised if you deactivate your account in sheer shame.:p
     
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  31. falstaff78

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    hahahaha. and why would I do that? If RNadal surpasses RFed then he deserves it. why is that a point of shame for me?
     
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  32. TheTruth

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    I don't know why people don't understand this. You can discredit McEnroe all you want on an internet site and it means nothing. McEnroe is tennis and everyone who is important listens to him. He's done more for the game off the court than he ever did on the court.

    He started the GOAT talk and anointed Federer the GOAT, and people followed. They were real high on him then.

    Now, he's pretending to lay the mantle on Nadal, and many are following and looking at Federer differently. Being led by the shepard.

    The ultimate joke is that none of the newbie GOATs will stand the test of time, because in the end he will fall back on Laver, and guess what? The majority will follow, like they always do, like sheep going to the slaughter.

    Bump this thread in 5-10 years and you'll see that Laver will be re-anointed the GOAT.
     
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  33. TheTruth

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    And then backtracked again and said even with Nadal losing, he would still consider him the GOAT.

    Flip, flop, flip.
     
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  34. zagor

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    That depends on how much you value Fed as a player, how highly do you think of his tennis abilities and achievements.
     
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  35. WhereIsMacMac

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    Tomic is better than Nadal
     
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  36. tennisMVP

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    No, the Mac comment was after Nadal lost at Wimbledon. Look at the link, it says "2013/06/25/john-mcenroe-rafael-nadal-is-the-best-ever-even-with-a-first-round-wimbledon-loss"....

    http://rafaelnadalfans.com/2013/06/...-ever-even-with-a-first-round-wimbledon-loss/
     
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  37. cknobman

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    Did not see that article. My comments were based off his live comments on ESPN.

    Also he contradicts himself in the same freaking paragraph.

    “This guy is to me, I think you can make an argument right here and now, the greatest player that ever lived. If you look at his record against [Andy] Murray, [Roger] Federer, and [Novak] Djokovic, it’s way better than that. He won the Olympics. He’s got Davis Cups, which Roger doesn’t have. I have always said Roger Federer to me was the greatest player that ever lived, certainly the most beautiful player. But I’m going to tell you right here and now there’s a definite argument, I’m starting to lean toward Rafa.”

    So the first sentence leads you to believe that he thinks Rafa is the greatest and then the last sentence leads you to believe he is starting to lean that way (which implies hes not firmly behind the Rafa GOAT argument just yet).

    Any way you slice it JMac is a tool. He was spouting over and over again how he believes Murray to be possibly one of the greatest (if not the greatest) returners of all time. That right there is enough to not take JMac opinions with a grain of salt.
     
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  38. spinovic

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    Without a doubt, IMO.
     
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  39. rosewallGOAT

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    In the event Nadal reaches 18 majors, or even 17, he would be greater and better than Roger Federer for sure, yes. However he would not be the GOAT unless he won atleast 24 majors, including atleast 1 Calendar Slam.
     
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  40. rosewallGOAT

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    Between Federer and Nadal alone that is an accurate summary.
     
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  41. Gorecki

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    Sadly i think go nads already is the g.o.a.t.

    He has a lance Armstrong aura in him....
     
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  42. 6-3 6-0

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    What the ...? Do you have any proof of that accusation?
     
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  43. Aura

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    To me it depends on the nature of Rnadal's slam count.

    If he wins FO for the next 6 years, then I say definitely not.

    If he even's out his slam distribution then it would be silly to argue that he is not.
     
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  44. dudeski

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    If Nadal retires with 17 slams then we will have to use weeks at #1 as the tie breaker. If Nadal has 17 slams and 302 weeks at #1 then we will have to use number of WTFs as a tie breaker. IF Nadal has 17 slams, 302 weeks at number 1, and 6 WTF then we can use.... how about just read the following:

     
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  45. Gorecki

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    no accusation implied. Lance Armstrong had an aura of invincibility. that is all. no accusation implied.

    by the way.. do you like my location?
     
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  46. Morj

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    If Rafa gets to 17 slams purely by winning more FO's then he will be, without doubt, the Greatest clay court player to ever exist. But it will not make him GOAT.

    If on the other hand, he wins at least 2-3 more non-clay slams and perhaps gets back to no. 1, then he can be considered GOAT without having to even equal Fed's slam count. Regardless of what Fed fans might claim, this is tennis, an individual sport where you play people one-on-one to determine who is better, so yes H2H does make a difference.

    So basically, Nadal with at least 15 slams (with minimum 7 being non-clay) and more weeks at no. 1 would make him GOAT in my book.

    On the other hand, Nadal could hit 20 slams (4 being non-clay) and only about 100 weeks at no. 1 would not make him GOAT. It would still make him Clay GOAT
     
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  47. cork_screw

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    Nadal is amazing, BUT 8 out of his 12 slams are all on clay/one surface. I don't know how much cred that gives him seeing as how fed has spread his slam count very evenly minus the french. He's done it on all the continents LOL if you think about it. Austalia, to the States and in Europe.
     
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    If Rafa surpasses Fed's slam count by reaching 18, he will be GOAT, no question. Reaching 18 also means more non-clay slams (since no way does he win 6 more FOs). That together with H2H over Fed plus OG = GOAT.

    If Rafa ends up with 17 it becomes a toss up, and will depend partly on how many of the additional slams were FO.

    To be honest though I think this is all a theoretical discussion because I can't see a way for Rafa to reach 17 or more.
     
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  49. jhhachamp

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    If Nadal dominated the tour for a couple whole seasons, winning 3 or 4 slam titles per year and increasing his weeks at #1 to over 200, then it would be pretty close. Anything short of that and no way.
     
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  50. The Dark Knight

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    How does Nadal lose this one as well? Is this the most biased board on the net?
     
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