Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Ethan04, Mar 3, 2005.
who would win?
This is a joke, right?
if she played Chang now while in retirement Chang would "dust" her no probs.
LOL, I love jokes.
Ethan, to answer your other question, do any pros visit this board? Threads like this as well as any number of other threads here would undoubtedly convince them not to be interested in anything said here!
But Datacipher...pros could find out how to beat each other by reading here....
I am 100% sure that Fed draws inspiration from this board, I mean, how could he not? So, we should congrat ourselves on a job well done, he is back to winning everything he enters...
They probably camp out in the Tennis Instructions forum to tweak their game right?
You have got to be kidding... Chang may not seem overpowering, that is because he is playing against the hardest hitters, with the most spin on the planet. You may think his shots seem weak in the mens game, against anything less than the best men in the game he could easily flatten his shots out and over power anyone else even in retirement.
I'm trying to decide if this or the "How much better would Federer be if he started playing at age 3?" thread is the dumbest thread of the day.
Steffi Graf in retirement would beat Sharapova too.
Maybe pro's do come to this forum to see threads like these to get a good laugh.
Sharapova's father can definetly beat everybody.
Didn't a 10 years retired Yannich Noah defeat Justine Henin-Herdenne while she was the world's number 1 in an exhibition match? Chang in his playing days would have given Sharapova a double bagel, 6-0, 6-0.
ROFL this is the funniest thing i've heard today!
Charlie Owens could beat Sharapova today. (Charlie played in the mid-70s. I think the best he ever did in a Major was the Quarters at Forest Hills. Charlie's a good ol' boy.)
In fact, Rabbit, in the "Tennis Press", Federer's defeat at the AO was widely attributed to the fact that he was "off" the TW Boards for 4 days prior to the final, hence, missing out on key information which would have enabled him to defeat his opponent.
Phil, those days coincided with those when I was off the forum and I couldn't advise him what to do.
Aykhan - Given Fed's reliance on your knowledge of the game, I'm guessing he has you on retainer now? And he must have given you a special cell phone on which only he can call, day or night...
Chang in his prime would win easily. Its not like he was a bad player and he would frusrate Maria because he would return everything and its not like she could exactly overpower him such as others could. Also Sharapova's first serve is kinda the equivalent to some professional mens second serve.
He has Ahykan on his sidekick and vise verca. :mrgreen:
Now what about Chang vs Steffi??
men are better than women, period.
I don't know about this and I wouldn't be so sure to jump the gun and say Chang will definitely win or not. Chang did play Brad Gilbert in an exhibition set at last years Siebel Open. Guess who won? Gilbert won 6-4. Pretty embarassing for Chang considering that he had only been off the pro tour for a couple of months at that point and Gilbert had been off the pro tour for TEN YEARS!! And I think Gilbert is at least ten years older than Chang to boot!
You forget that Brad was still coaching and hitting just about everday. Chang didn't bother picking up a racket for two months. Try not playing for two months and see how much practice it takes to get your timing and rythm back.
Chang would beat her like a rented mule.
chang def sharapova 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0
waste of time, money and space :mrgreen:
Maybe we are talking about Betty?
Hitting everyday is not nearly the same thing as playing competitive matches everyday against the toughest competition in the world on the pro tour.
I can hit everyday for ten years after which I'll still lose a real match to a tough competitor who knows how to play matches. BTW, I usually play better after a long layoff like two months. When I play everyday, I get burned out and usually start playing like crap.
Let's face it, Chang should have never lost to Gilbert. Gilbert wasn't even on the senior tour as far as I know. He might not have played a real match against another pro for over ten years. He's also ten years older than Chang with ten year older legs. Gilbert is in his mid-40's. If Chang could lose to Gilbert, a guy like John McEnroe should be able to clean his clock, even now. Pretty embarrasing for Chang IMHO. Calling it quits on the pro tour was definitely the right decision for him.
Big deal, he lost to Gilbert in an exhibition. I'm no Michael Chang fan, but I do know that he won a Major and 30-something tournaments, and was ranked #2 in 1996. So I believe his record is significantly more impressive than Gilbert's-where and when it counts. Give me a break.
Also chang relied on speed more than most other player so as he gets older that starts to leave, its not like Chang can then start to rely on his powerful serve or anything like that. Also I think Brad Gilbert practiced with Andy Roddick while he was still his coach so he probably wasn't too rusty.
No kidding here. There is a big difference between hitting with club players and hitting with touring pros..... Brad was hitting with Andy on daily basis and was used to the pace and dishing out heavy shots. Any one who takes an extended layoff expecially at the pro pace will be rustier than crap. Its simply unbelievable the amount of work required to maintain the timing and pace of the pro game. At this point it is rediculous to criticize anyone based on an exibition match.
That's my point, Phil. Chang should have killed Gilbert.
I never said Gilbert was a better player or had a better career than Chang. I wasn't even comparing their careers or records. No question that Chang had the more impressive career. That, and the ten year younger legs, means that he should have beaten Gilbert, even in an exhibition.
All I'm suggesting is that given the way Chang plays today, and that he could lose to Gilbert, perhaps a match against Sharapova today wouldn't be as one sided as everyone thinks it'll be.
Who knows, BreakPoint-maybe Chang's game went to pot as soon as he retired (or somewhat before that). Even if Gilbert did beat him, I can't see an active WTA player, even one ranked in the top 3, beating Chang. Although it's never been proven by anyone here (that I know of), most of the more experienced players on this board feel that a Div. 1 male player or just about any run-of-the-mill satellite/challenger level male player can beat the top female pros-easily, so I can't imagine Chang having a problem.
Gilbert rulez, that's why he beat Chang!!!!!
6:1 would be the best Maria can do. Remember the Braasch-Williams match? Braasch didn't even play full-throttle.
I remember Safin's comments "I'd like to thank DopeTennisStud69 for telling me I'm more talented than Federer and StrawManBob for explaining to me that my forehand should consist of a sequence of 9 positions, which is what I visualized on court while being careful to get my racquet back early.....also, I now realize I must achieve a strong L position with my wrist on the backhand!"
Heck even Carl Chang (his bro/coach) can beat Shrap.
Why is everybody making such a big deal about Chang losing *A SET* to Gilbert? It wasn't a real match... they only played ONE set. Chang might have been cold, or was having trouble adjusting to Gilbert's awkward style. That's why you play best out of 3/best out of 5. One set isn't a match. Anyway, Chang was 3 and 2 (3 wins, 2 losses) against Gilbert during his atp career. Gilbert was 4 and 4 against Agassi. Maybe some of you forgot Brad was an Atp player as well. lol
IOW, you are saying Sharapova would beat Gilbert?
I disagree, Brad would run her back and forth on the baseline until she dropped from exhaustion.
Just in case you are not saying Sharapova would beat Gilbert, what is your point of Gilbert beating Chang?
Chang or Gilbert at any point in their respective careers, including retirement wouldn't get a match from Sharapova.
Chang would thrash Sharapova.
Anyone inside the atp top 800 could beat 1 wta player.
Funniest thread of the month. Six people actually voted for Sharapova?!
Wow, no faith in the WTA it seems.
Chang beats Sharapova
Either Michael or Carl Chang. Almost any D1 male college player beats #1 ranked female. Can you imagine Chang returning Sharapova's serve. Hitting winners at will. While people mentioned his lack of power, Chang hit the ball significantly harder than anyone on the WTA. If you think Sharapova would win, set up the match and be sure to bring your checkbook.
Chang would whoop that fat a-.
I am sorry but is this some sort of a joke! Does anybody remember when a fading Karsten Braash played Venus Williams in an exhibtion match when Venus was already about the 5th best player in the world? Chang at his peak would feed Sharapova a double-bagel or a triple-bagel whichever she preferred. Now she might get 2 or 3 games a set, but he probably is barely playing college level tennis by this point if he played.
Maybe so. But power-wise, Sharapova's groundstrokes are at least as powerful, if not more, than Chang's loop topspin shots. Chang is a counterpuncher and they would have some rallies.
There's no doubt Sharapova could easily return Chang's serve and sustain rally's, even hit some winners. No doubt Chang would win, but it wouldn't be as easy as people here think, trust me.
She would not even have a chance of winning if she played naked against Chang, this would not be true agaist many other men on the tour
I must admit Il was lucky to see her live last year at Wimbledon centre court v Hantuchova. I said to my friend that day she was a future champion. I didn't expect it to be one week later! However, I must admit her looks do nothing for me. Now that Hantuchova has put weight on I think she's very beautiful. Sharapova is skinny with very broad shoulders.
So maybe Chang will win that match Joe Sch
Haha....now that's the funniest thing I've read so far on this post.
laurie stated, about Sharapova, "However, I must admit her looks do nothing for me."
We'll her looks will definitely do something for anything "male". Come now, "skinny" and
"broad shoulders" ??? Get real, she has model looks in every way.
Anyways back to the topic at hand. We'll I would say that Sharapova would have
about as good of a chance of beating Chang now as she would against beating
any other retired pro now (be it Sampras, Gilbert, whoever). She might be able to get some games off any of them....depending on what kind of playing condition they are in right now.
However, to even suggest that Sharapova or any other female player on the tour would have even the slightest chance of beating Chang while he was actively playing on the men's tour is both ridiculous and insulting to Chang. Chang was a great men's player who could play with anyone during his time..including some pretty good guys like Sampras, Agassi, and Lendl. His accomplishment of winning the French Open at freaking 17 yrs of age is something that may never be equaled or surpassed in the game of pro-tennis.
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