"If you are ten minutes early, you are five minutes late."

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  1. kiteboard

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    Ever play with someone who always shows up late, or not at all? Or are you that guy? It's disrespectful, as if you are saying, "I'm better than you are, sucker. So wait for me, and wait, because you suck and aren't as good as I am." I can show anytime I want, and if you don't like it, then I don't have to play with you.
     
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    ...or you're kind of disorganized, but sorry for holding things up and insist on cracking the new balls, buying the beers later on, and doing whatever else one can to make amends...

    Hey, I'm trying...

    The good news is that if I'm ten minutes early, I'm actually fifteen minutes early, since the clock in my car is five minutes fast. I feel soooooooo much better now!
     
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    i cut guy a slack if he

    - is in high school and typically busy with study
    - 10 minutes or more of a longer drive than I do
    - usually busy with job/kids

    so that pretty much covers everybody.
     
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    I'm often a little bit late for things. Part of it is from trying to pack to many
    things into my schedule.
     
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  5. r2473

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    Really bad if you are playing indoor tennis.

    Not terrible if you are playing outdoor. Unless the courts are full plus people waiting.

    But yes, if it is a consistent problem, then there is no excuse. It means the guy is starting out late.

    I had a partner that I played with for 3+ years that was like this. Asked him time and again to plan to be on time. Finally one day he was 1/2 hr. late for an indoor court time. I have never played with him again.
     
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    I think I was only late for a practice match ONCE ever....
    Like around late '78, right around Dec., was taking a bus to a practice match in GoldenGatePark when I saw somebody was surfing at OBSF.
    Wave size a true 18-27', as a photo of LarryMcGraw (6'3" tall) shows you can count SIX of him above his head, and he is not quite touching his board on the drop. GregShepard forgave me, as he knew I was a surfer first and foremost. I got credit in an article printed in NewYorkerMag and later on the Mavericks (Matt Warshaw's) book as one of the crew sitting on the wall and procrastinating.
     
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    I used to do a clinic with two ladies who were habitually late. Always 5-15 minutes. Annoying, because they didn't even have the decency to rush in with a frazzled look and an apology.

    After a while, the pro and I decided to use that time for some private tutoring. Then when they arrived he would go right into the lesson with no warm-up.
     
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    I've got one guy I play that is usually 5-10 minutes late. I stopped playing him after work because of it. On the weekends it is not a big deal, I just show up 5-10 minutes late myself.
     
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    When I captained, there was one guy on my team notoriously late for matches. He would often show up 10-15 minutes late and close to having to default matches. Made my life as a captain quite a bit more stressful.
     
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    How about 45 min. late, or an hour, or a text message saying: "I'm running late, and may not make it.", sent an hour late? That's the bs this guy is feeding me. His brother is not much better. Lombardi had his guys show up 15 min. early, cause he knew there were always guys who showed 15 min. late, even if there was a real deadline. Nothing to do but call him on it and dump a guy like that. Yeah, he's an open player, so what? Doesn't mean he gets to treat me like sheit.
     
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    I had a guy cancel on my a couple of months ago for an indoor court. I had to eat the entire $35/hour fee, and he never paid me for it!

    But most guys are cool. But yeah, 5-10 minutes late seems to be the norm, not sure what that's all about, just selfishness.
     
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    Or just show up half hour late yourself and make them wait, they'll catch on.
     
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    If somebody does not show up for me, they better have a darn good reason otherwise I won't schedule with them ever again.
     
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    Sometimes life interferes with tennis schedules but mostly I think its just bad scheduling on their part - I see it all the time and its always the same ones. Traffic, kids, job, the idiot they were behind, and so forth, there is always something because they assume this time they will hit all the lights right, traffic will be non-existent, can still make it even though the fuel light has been on for a week, etc.

    You know, the funny thing is that the ones with what I would consider "difficult" schedules, always make it on time - that's not always true however.

    The ones that get me are the ones that are always late and come in with a take-out coffee or soft drink so you know they could have been on time if they chose not to stop. If they don't show at all, guess what the cost of the next lesson is?
     
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    These guy don't ever apologize, or admit to being late, or choose to make amends.
     
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    If it's USTA, don't bother showing up if you're 45 minutes late, the rules say automatic default if over 15 minutes late (unless you and the opposing captain mutually agree to start the match at a later time).
     
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    Sounds just like my former hitting/doubles partner. I put up with that crap for a lot longer than I should have. For matches he would always be on time. For practice or us just hitting he would be late late every time an did the same stuff. Call when he was already 45 min late and say he was going to be later.

    The last straw was when he didn't show and didn't call at all. That is the reason he is a former partner.
     
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    Same thing this guy does. He's not late for open matches, just with practices.
     
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    I look at someone that does this as totally selfish. He obviously feels his time is more valuable than yours. Time to move on.
     
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    Ha, ha........ Guy called me and said, "I didn't really make an appointment, with you, but just said, if I come down, you can hit with me. So when I said, me and pop will be down there, in an hour, and you are welcome to join us, it wasn't a real appointment. I've been late before, with you. Don't you get texts?" (Sent me one an hour after the appointment, saying, "I'm running late. May not make it.) It's called, ********t.
     
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    Yeah or very disorganized.
     
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    This guy is a jerk, and in good company. Want to laugh? I pre-paid for a league of doubles (Jan-Apr): we start at 7PM, but are not allowed on court until the captain shows up, with line-ups(4 courts). First night the captain is late, she arrives at 7:30 but has to do the line-ups...second she is stuck in traffic, she arrives at 7:45(no line-ups). Last time is 7:20 and we are waiting b/c......she is talking with her buddy about the color of uniforms she absolutely want for the next USTA season (and the line-ups are not done yet).................
     
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    Yikes! She seems like a real winner:rolleyes:

    Being punctual is not only respectful to others, it hints at who 'you' are. It says I am dedicated to 'my' commitments, in essence, it's 'your' word. Now I know tennis is not life & death, but an agreement is an agreement. I always leave early to prevent being late.
     
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    If you break your agreements, things happen like: jail, foreclosure, divorce, lost jobs, car accidents, etc. People always can rationalize breaking agreements, as if, they never made one in the first place. Some captain you got there.
     
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    No problem, I've already left.
     
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    Once I entered a doubles tournament. The big favorites to win it were these guys who were a doubles team for the University. When our turn came to play them, we waited half an hour, the court attendant decided to forfeit them, and as we were going to our cars, they showed up. So we played, (and lost) and the attendant was upset that we allowed them to play because they were half an hour late to EVERY match!

    I watched the next match, and AGAIN they were well over half an hour late! They were so much better than the other teams that they felt a duty to be way late for every match, (jerks). Why'd they even enter a tournament that they felt was so far beneath them?
     
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    Because they have losers like you to give them a break they don't deserve, they are better than you. That's why they show up late, to prove it.
     
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  29. eliza

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    WHY you guys did not leave? I know. I look around and see that this is no longer a society where the good ones are rewarded..................
    Unbelievable.:confused:
     
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    Let's all just leave after 15 min. wait time, and if there are two of those, then that's it for the offender.
     
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    with my hitting buddies, if one shows up late, he would have to hit against the wall or find someone else to play with, as the doubles teams would have been formed.
     
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  32. eliza

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    I second this: let's make 2011 a better year.
     
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    I would have played too, I mean we are not professionals we enter tournaments because we want to play...right?
     
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    NOt if we are disrespected by punks who show up late because they think they are better than you are. It's called disrespectful behavior, even though they knew they could get defaulted, these punks didn't, which is just pathetically gutless on the tournament ref, and the other players! The ref is supposed to default by usta rules, not cut slack left and right. Maybe they were buddy buddy with him.
     
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    There seems to be two minds / camps on this. The one camp agrees with you (I'm in this camp).

    The other camp is more "laid back" and not so "anal" about stuff like this. "Just chill out dude".

    One camp will never understand or be able to relate to the other.

    I remember having this discussion / debate in college rhetoric class ~20 yrs. ago. The class was split about 50/50. Each side thought the other was crazy or just simply "wrong".

    In Kiteboard's case however, I would say that his "partner" could care less if they play. He seems to think of Kiteboard as a convenient "partner of last resort". That guy that is always "around" and you can hit with anytime. Kiteboard is probably "that guy that is always looking to hit"......so you can easily take him for granted. He will always be around......or someone just like him.
     
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    I'm in the former camp. And now with two small kids, I'm even extra sensitive about it. I have what I call "The 10-Minute Mobilization" Rule. That's 10 minutes needed PER person getting in the car. So...for me, that means starting to get ready a half hour before we need to be on the move (and I'm already adding in an extra 5 minutes for travel time for what passes as "traffic" here in the Richmond area). And I'm not talking about getting dressed or packing the tennis bag/cooler. No, this is just getting on the kids' socks/shoes/coats...getting all the lunch/snack and tennis bags/gear in car. And, of course, let's not forget the last minute potty call or diaper change. It IS all about scheduling. And being a Drill Sargent. LOL.

    But my husband and I would often argue about his "lateness" earlier in our lives together. Until he became a supervisor at work. And wondered why some of his employees were late. Almost all the time.
     
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    Or someone just like him. No one is just like me. It's more of a familial thing. If you were not taught to be punctual, and respect others, you just don't do it. You'd much rather have them waiting for you, than the other way around! Not just tennis, that many people have this with, but all aspects: dates: jobs: mortgage payments. Unless you are made to pay, many just will not show up on time. Lombardi knew how to win. He made them pay for being late. Ups and downs. Too bad we can't do that to our unpunctual partners! Now do ups and downs for the amount of time you were late.
     
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    and I thought that only my kids are like that.:) and it does not really get any better with them getting older either.....
     
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    Ha, this reminded me of Brad Gilbert's Winning Ugly. He told stories of sneaky club guys who would actually show up early and warm up. Then disappear and pretend they were 10 minutes late and flustered and cold.

    They would apologize and say lets get started right away. Meanwhile they had already warmed up all their strokes and the other guys was really the one flustered and cold.
     
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    He used to play down at the race track courts, golden gate fields, indoors, before they were coopted by the race track. ONly indoor courts for miles. Tried to hustle As/Raiders tickets. Bad line calls. Punk attitude. Got into lots of fights, some with fists. Very aggressive punk type kid.
     
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    I was young and stupid then, (stupider?). I didn't want a win from a forfeit. But I didn't like the way they went out of their way to be so later for every match. They wanted to make a point out of disrespecting each opponent.

    Some tennis people can be real weird.
     
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    Baruch would have played as well, I am sure ;) It is truly very hard to understand and accept some people and their behavior...
     
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    That's what people do every time they are late. They don't pay the mortgage late do they? Some people must be made to pay before they respect you.
     
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