"I'll need to see your license, registration and line-up, Ma'am"

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by Cindysphinx, Jun 5, 2012.

  1. Cindysphinx

    Cindysphinx G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2006
    Messages:
    15,067
    We had some drama on our 4.0 ladies day league playoff match today.

    I was acting captain. We were at the courts in plenty of time. About 10 minutes before match time, we noticed that our cars were the only ones in the parking lot. We checked our emails and frantically confirmed that we were in the right place.

    About 5 minutes before match time, the opposing captain called me. They had gone to the wrong facility and were on their way to the correct courts. They were stuck in traffic. Worse, one of their two cars had been pulled over and ticketed for speeding.

    The rules say that line-ups have to be exchanged "before" the match -- whatever that means. Because matches are timed, the penalty for tardiness is one game for 5 minutes, two games for 10 minutes, three games for 15 minutes. After that, it is a default. We decided rules are rules. Besides, several of our ladies had to leave as soon as they could.

    We had a little team huddle when I told the team what had gone wrong and asked whether they wanted to strictly enforce the penalties. The response was unanimous: "Off with their heads!"

    At 10:10, the first car load of three opponents arrived. I informed them of the two-game penalty and told them that they could avoid a three-game penalty on Singles One and Doubles One if they exchanged line-ups and started those courts immediately. They would be risking three games on all courts or a total default if they waited for their second car to arrive. They started scrambling to do their line-up.

    One lady came over to me and said very nicely, "You know, we had this happen earlier in the season, when our opponents were late because they got stuck in traffic. We decided not to enforce the penalties. Would you be OK with that?"

    I told her we had decided as a team that we would be more comfortable enforcing the rules, but that we would call it just two games instead of three (as it was now 10:12 and the matches hadn't started). So they exchanged a line-up that put their No. 2 singles player in at Doubles One and put a doubles player at No. 2 singles (even though she hadn't played singles in five years). The remaining players arrived at at 10:16.

    We took a 3-game penalty on Doubles 3 and Singles 2, and a 2-game penalty on the other courts. We won the team match 4-1, and the penalty games probably mattered because all three doubles courts went to 10-point tiebreaks.

    In that situation, would you have enforced the penalty or cut the opponents a break?
     
    #1
  2. Herdsman76

    Herdsman76 Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    308
    Since I'm biased and received a "gift" of no default from my opponent in my last tournament, I would have waited for the other team to arrive. Yes I understand league tennis has very specific rules and you were right to enforce them. But because of my recent experience, I'm more inclinded to be favorable as it was a matter of a few minutes according to what you said. Besides, as my opponent eloquently said when we played... "That's Bulls**t, I came to play...
     
    #2
  3. gmatheis

    gmatheis Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2010
    Messages:
    1,554
    You mentioned that your matches are timed, but is your court time limited too?


    If you could keep the courts to account for whatever time they are late I personally would not enforce the rules, however if you now have to play your match in 15 minutes less time than you should have I would enforce the rules because now you are rushed.

    Now that's just what I would do, I wouldn't be upset or think any less of a team that enforces the rules regardless of what court time is available or if you play timed matches.
     
    #3
  4. ChipNCharge

    ChipNCharge Professional

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2004
    Messages:
    1,026
    Location:
    Green Country
    A playoff match? Then off with their heads!
     
    #4
  5. zcarzach

    zcarzach Professional

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2005
    Messages:
    803
    Sorry, no, rules are rules. If there had been an car accident, or something outside of their control, maybe you bend them. They don't deserve such a gesture just because they went to the wrong facility and then got pulled over, both things that are entirely their fault and under their control.
     
    #5
  6. Power Player

    Power Player G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    19,757
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    I refuse to believe this.
     
    #6
  7. DANMAN

    DANMAN Professional

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,100
    I'm out there to play...fair and square. I wouldn't take any penalty. People are too concerned with winning and not enough with playing the game. As I sit here and watch Djokovic and Tsonga, it's all that much more apparent to me that I, as an open level player, am mediocre at best at tennis. Why would anyone deprive themselves of exercise and the joy of a challenge because someone was late to the courts unless winning was their sole and primary objective. I'm all for rules and don't have a problem with people following them, so I feel like Cindy's team was perfectly ok to do what they did. I, however, would not do anything other than start the match at 0-0 and let the best man (or woman) win.
     
    #7
  8. J_R_B

    J_R_B Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2010
    Messages:
    2,632
    Location:
    Newtown, PA
    I would not have taken the penalty but only because our matches are not timed. If I had the strict timing rules that you do, my line of thinking may be very different.
     
    #8
  9. Sakkijarvi

    Sakkijarvi Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2007
    Messages:
    505
    Yeah, in this scenario, going to the wrong place is their fault, and your team voted to enforce the rules. You were left with no other choice. You go against your team, then lose ... and it's off with YOUR head.

    A regular season match is far different but in any case, you have to be the captain for your group. You cut them some slack, and they had to option of WINNING the thing, which they obviously did not. I am sure it was stressful for the other ladies, but they'll have to deal with it since you had nothing to do with the situation.
     
    #9
  10. JLyon

    JLyon Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2007
    Messages:
    3,325
    Location:
    AR
    not sure why this match is left in your hands to police, if it is a playoff match there should be a local rep there running the desk and clock to make sure teams arrive in time. Mid-Atlantic is just full of drama, I guess.
     
    #10
  11. retlod

    retlod Professional

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2009
    Messages:
    942
    Rules are rules. Would you call your opponent's miss good if she said, "Won't you just let me have the point? It was almost in!"?
     
    #11
  12. atatu

    atatu Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2004
    Messages:
    3,327
    Location:
    Austin, Texas
    No, I would not have enforced the rules. Bad Karma, what goes around, comes around.
     
    #12
  13. spot

    spot Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2005
    Messages:
    2,438
    Location:
    Atlanta
    FOr a timed match I think you were right to enforce the penalty- timed matches have those penalties for VERY good reasons. In an outdoor match we always have a 20 minute window without penalty so the situation doesn't apply.
     
    #13
  14. Wakenslam

    Wakenslam Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2009
    Messages:
    200
    Location:
    ATL
    How about leaving early next time to get to your tennis match? Kudos to your team for enforcing the rules. People who are late need to be punished!!! :)
     
    #14
  15. keithfival

    keithfival Professional

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2010
    Messages:
    849
    I play USTA for the fun of competing. I would have just played the matches straight up. I realize I seem to be in the minority but I can't fathom taking penalty games because the other team mistakenly drove to the wrong courts and was a few minutes late. I am out there to play tennis and have fun trying my hardest to play my best, and if my best is good enough, win. I have no interest in defaults or playing a match starting at 0-1. But that's just me.
     
    #15
  16. BobFL

    BobFL Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2007
    Messages:
    3,692
    Location:
    Orlando
    I am in disbelief.

    [​IMG]
     
    #16
  17. Sakkijarvi

    Sakkijarvi Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2007
    Messages:
    505
    Don't want to hijack this thread, but ... who hasn't dealt with the habitually late person that always comes in late with a wave of the hand ... and breezily announces, 'sorry' ... after making the other 3 guys wait 20 minutes for a doubles outing??

    There is always a 'reason'.
     
    #17
  18. jonnythan

    jonnythan Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2009
    Messages:
    1,356
    Playoff match?

    You snooze you lose. End of story.

    Local regs here are that you default the match if you're 15 minutes late. Up to 15 minutes and you're fine. No increasing penalties.
     
    #18
  19. RadicalMPfan

    RadicalMPfan Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2012
    Messages:
    109
    Personally, I would not be proud of myself for beating someone with three games given to me. Sometimes we get so caught up in winning we forget to do what is right. If having three games spotted to you makes you want feel good then more power to you. I forget the match, but do you remember the Agassi Sampras match where "by the rules" Agassi could have defaulted a sick Sampras, yet he decided to let him recover and ended up losing.

    If time constraints and other obligations were an issue with your team, that is understandable.
     
    #19
  20. Swissv2

    Swissv2 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2005
    Messages:
    2,491
    Location:
    Tennis Courts!
    I lol'd :twisted:
     
    #20
  21. OrangePower

    OrangePower Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Messages:
    4,045
    Location:
    NorCal Bay Area
    +1 for this.

    I'd rather play the match using the full original timeframe as intended, with no penalties. I play tennis to play tennis. But if that's not possible because court time is limited, then taking the penalty is appropriate.
     
    #21
  22. dizzlmcwizzl

    dizzlmcwizzl Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,164
    Location:
    DE
    Either way ... I am OK with it as long as the rules are enforced as written or mutually ignored. Unfortunately in this case you cut them a break ... only took three games when they should have defaulted ... only took 2 games instead of three. The way I figure it either take the penalty as written or let them slide completely. Doing what you did seems like arbitrary enforcement of the rules with one team making the decisions.
     
    #22
  23. kylebarendrick

    kylebarendrick Professional

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2006
    Messages:
    1,042
    Location:
    Northern California
    If you have the courts available and your players can stay late, then I wouldn't take the penalty (or demand a default). Everyone's goal is (or should be) to play tennis and settle things on the court.

    If you don't have the courts long enough to complete a delayed match, then you are stuck following the default/penalty rules.
     
    #23
  24. Angle Queen

    Angle Queen Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2010
    Messages:
    838
    Location:
    On the deuce side, looking to come in
    Total agreement here. Where was a league rep?

    Nah, just mostly Cindy's neck of the woods. Not that we don't have "stuff" here too, but it seldom seems to rise the level of true drama. Besides, I'll never be as creative as she when it comes to thread titles. :)

    I'm also a bit with Dizz here, Cindy. But I also realize you've got your team, plus the frazzled new and quite tardy arrivees standing there waiting for you to make a decision....so you go with what seems the right thing to do. Might your opponents dispute the match based on your (team's) apparent inconsistent application of the rules?

    But to those out there who'd say they'd never take the penalty, Cindy's area has some of the most restrictive rules about "timing"...mostly (I'm guessing) because everything is high there: court demand, court fees, traffic/travel times, tension, and yes, talent. It's the Perfect Storm for rules needing to be the way they are.
     
    #24
  25. MesQueUnClub

    MesQueUnClub Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Messages:
    334
    Location:
    Colorado
    After seeing a similar theme in a lot of her threads, I am wondering if Cindy and her bunch play tennis for fun or the drama.
    I myself have been playing tennis for a while and has not seen really any of this drama that she seem to encounter on a daily basis.

    As for answering your question : No. I would not enforce any penalty in this case. I have been on the other side of this many times before and the opponents have been very nice to me. And on many occasions I have done the same for others. I am one of those people who will work with opponents if they need to reschedule matches, even in tournaments. Recently in a doubles final, we rejected a default and played the match 2 days later to lose in straight sets. No regrets though.

    May be it's b'cos I play the game for fun and to play and have no illusions of this being anything more.

    One thing for sure, I am glad that you don't live in my part of the world.
     
    #25
  26. prestiged

    prestiged New User

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    25
    well it's a matter of winning or playing tennis. most of the people i see at my club really want to just play, so even if the opponents came 20 minutes late they would still play.
     
    #26
  27. Maui19

    Maui19 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2010
    Messages:
    1,649
    I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but I think the timed matches thing puts an entirely different spin on things. In league matches around here, we are pretty accepting of things like late arrivals due to mistakes, but virtually all the matches are at private courts where there are no time contraints.

    That said, I would tend to want the match outcome to be the result of play rather than a rules thing. And if we're going binary on "rules are rules," then all of the penalties should have been enforced, not just enough to ensure the win.

    I vote thumbs down on the team's decision. Some teams want to win in the worst way, and that's just how they did in this case.
     
    #27
  28. floridatennisdude

    floridatennisdude Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2012
    Messages:
    1,965
    #28
  29. Cindysphinx

    Cindysphinx G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2006
    Messages:
    15,067
    Nah, I don't see it that way.

    After all, the opponents know how to read a clock. They could have said, "Oh, absolutely not! I won't hear of it. Twelve minutes should be 3 games lost, not 2. We insist that on three." If both teams want to cut the late arrivers a break, what is the problem? Nope, one of their players came over to beseech me not to enforce any penalties at all.

    Besides, trying to squeeze the last bit of benefit out of a penalty can itself cause problems. Say I insist on three games and they say it should be two because they were ten minutes late, not twelve. Then what? Are you going to all go home and file a grievance? You certainly cannot start a match if you can't agree on the starting score. Best practice is to be lenient and generous so the opponents do not feel cheated and you don't wind up with a fight on your hands.

    For those who asked other questions:

    It was a two-hour timed match. Outdoor public park, so no league coordinator or staff or chair umpire. Captains are supposed to bring the rules with them and enforce them. Jlyon, it is a flight playoff, not Districts (where there would be an officials desk, etc.).

    Did we have the courts for longer than the two-hour period? Hard to say. Our reservation ended at noon. Had others needed the courts, we would have to vacate, and there was no way to know this at 10 am. Also, we had several players who had child care obligations and who must leave at noon (or earlier). Lastly, there was a threat of thunderstorms.

    It is an interesting situation. Some TT people say enforce the rules everyone agreed to play by. Others say enforce them strictly, but not leniently. Others say they wouldn't enforce the penalty at all (how long would you wait before you enforce the penalties -- 30, 60, 90 minutes?).

    It is precisely because folks have different viewpoints that it is best to carry the rules with you, comply with them in a reasonable way, and don't whine when your opponents enforce them against you.

    Me, I'm glad we have clear tardiness rules. I run on time, and I do not like habitually late people wasting my time.
     
    Last edited: Jun 6, 2012
    #29
  30. Cindysphinx

    Cindysphinx G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2006
    Messages:
    15,067
    You know, I remember another penalty situation involving my teammates. I wasn't there, and I wasn't the captain.

    Again, it was a 2-hour timed match, and one of our players was struggling to arrive on time. Everyone was gathered in the lobby waiting for it to be noon so they could take the courts. The layout of these courts is that you leave the lobby and then you have to walk across other courts to get to your courts. This often means you must wait for points to finish before you can walk across and it can take a minute or two to get to the outer courts.

    The ladies all left the lobby, and the late lady still wasn't there. She came darting across the courts a bit after everyone else. She arrived as her opponents were opening the balls, peeling off their jackets and pulling their rackets out.

    The opponents insisted on a one-game penalty, saying she was 0:01-5:00 minutes late. Her partner was in disbelief that anyone would try to enforce a penalty under those circumstances, but she agreed because she thought that is what the rules require.

    She was wrong. The rules in this particular league say you cannot impose a tardiness penalty unless both players of the opposing pair have arrived and "are standing on the correct court and ready to play." Opening balls and peeling off sweats isn't good enough, IMHO.

    I *so* wish my players and teammates would read the flippin' rules.
     
    #30
  31. Torres

    Torres Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2011
    Messages:
    4,767
    Everything's a drama when it comes to your team.
     
    #31
  32. Maui19

    Maui19 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2010
    Messages:
    1,649
    This sure didn't sound like a case of someone being habitually late. Heck they got a speeding ticket trying to correct the mistake.
     
    #32
  33. jonnythan

    jonnythan Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2009
    Messages:
    1,356
    USTA women's leagues are like this everywhere.
     
    #33
  34. Mauvaise

    Mauvaise Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2011
    Messages:
    194
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ

    No, sir. Not true. At least not where I am. In fact, the only drama I've seen (and been involved in) in my league has been caused by the (male) spouses who are watching.
     
    #34
  35. tennis_ocd

    tennis_ocd Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2011
    Messages:
    2,002
    Everytime I get the urge to play league tennis at the expense of fun, social rec time I'm glad for these type threads. At least at this point in time the goal is enjoy playing tennis and win or lose due to player on-court abilities.

    On either team, a solution like this would turn me off to the entire league. Recognize rules are rules but it appears winning has replaced the joy of playing time - different goals for different folks.
     
    #35
  36. Cindysphinx

    Cindysphinx G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2006
    Messages:
    15,067
    True. That was a general whinge about players who are always late.

    I sub on a country club league team. There are no tardiness penalties. There are people who routinely stroll in late. When these same people play USTA, they are on time. The only reason for this is the clear and severe tardiness penalties.

    The situation yesterday was truly sad, though. I exchanged emails with their captain because of a glitch with Tennislink when I tried to enter the scores. I expressed sympathy, telling her that I captain and I dread the day when I tell my players the wrong day, time or location for a match.

    She wrote back to say she has been injured all season and all she is doing is acting as captain. She said her ladies thought they were strong enough to get to Districts, and they had all cleared their calendars in case they advanced. She said she felt terrible for fouling it up for them.

    I do feel awful for her, but there was an email exchange between the two captains before the match. In it, our captain mentioned the correct match location. The other captain just had the wrong location in her brain, and nothing could dislodge it.
     
    #36
  37. floridatennisdude

    floridatennisdude Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2012
    Messages:
    1,965
    What you would find is about 5% of league players are in it to win it at all cost. Another 75% are competitive players looking for the social aspects while getting exercise and playing hard. And about 20% play just to get out of the house and could care less if they win or lose or even are competitive.

    A typical league player will run into the drama stuff 1 out of 20 matches. The other 19 are a really good time. I get frustrated when I run into the cheaters, nitpicks, etc but I forget about them by the time I warm up for my next match. I really like league tennis, aside from mixed.
     
    #37
  38. MSL

    MSL New User

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    87
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    If I knew the team I was playing against was battling for districts or sectionals or whatever, I certainly wouldn't enforce the penalty over 10 or 15 minutes... especially when they called you to alert you of the situation and were, apparently, willing to hop straight in to the match with no warmup.
     
    #38
  39. psYcon

    psYcon Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2008
    Messages:
    623
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    I think you're too by the book. It was an honest mistake so should have given them the benefit of the doubt. I for one would never feel right winning this way, i.e. by getting a handicap of two or three games
     
    #39
  40. jonnythan

    jonnythan Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2009
    Messages:
    1,356
    The rules exist specifically to make everything as fair as possible.

    The most fair thing to do is apply the rules, and apply them consistently.
     
    #40
  41. Torres

    Torres Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2011
    Messages:
    4,767
    This is 3.5 / 4.0 level rec tennis, not the final of Wimbledon.....

    The lower down the levels you go, the more non-tennis related nonsense you seem to get.
     
    #41
  42. ChipNCharge

    ChipNCharge Professional

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2004
    Messages:
    1,026
    Location:
    Green Country
    Eh, I wouldn't be too pleased with my captain if I showed up for a tennis match and he declared that we weren't going to play, and we'd be winning by default because the other team was late, even though the other team is pulling into the parking lot as he spoke. People join tennis leagues to play tennis, not to win by default and/or via "penalty games".
     
    #42
  43. jonnythan

    jonnythan Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2009
    Messages:
    1,356
    On our team, the goal is to advance to the next round. We all want to play, but we also want to win. If the other team doesn't bother showing up for 20 minutes, we'll be taking the win thank you very much.

    None of us want to end up one game out of the playoffs at the end of the season because we didn't take that one match that was rightfully ours.
     
    #43
  44. anubis

    anubis Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    3,008
    Sometimes it bites you in the butt, too. My team once waited 45 min for the opposing team's 1 Singles guy to show up (while all the rest of us were still playing). The game was going beyond how long we had the courts for, so we had to make up the rest of the match the following weekend.

    Then, the next time we played that same team, our 2 Singles guy was 5 min late and the opposing team did not do us the courtesy of waiting -- they defaulted that match. Our guy showed up only 5 min late and was very upset that he couldn't play. He's not terribly competitive, he just likes to play tennis.

    If I was a captain, I'd give leniency for lateness once or twice. But if I hear from other captains on the league that there's this one team that's habitually late to most matches, then I'd start to enforce strict lateness policies in order to let them know that this behavior is not conducive to a friendly league.

    But then again, I'm not a captain.
     
    #44
  45. MSL

    MSL New User

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    87
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    The entire team was given the incorrect location by the captain... it's not like they "didn't bother" showing up because they were all enjoying lunch at the local bar.

    I wouldn't want to go to sectionals knowing that a better team got screwed by my overzealous captain.
     
    #45
  46. jonnythan

    jonnythan Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2009
    Messages:
    1,356
    You didn't apply the rules and neither did the other team.

    After 15 minutes is a default. If you had both applied the rules correctly, you would have won the first match and your guy wouldn't have lost the second match.

    If you used the rules, you wouldn't be posting here about some weird unfair situation. Application of the rules are intended to make everything as fair as possible.

    You did not apply the rules and what happened to you was unfair as a result.
     
    #46
  47. jc4.0

    jc4.0 Professional

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    803
    I rule, therefore I win?

    If the club where you were playing has strict rules about match timing (which isn't an issue here - we play all matches to conclusion regardless of court time) then I would understand a strict adherence to the rules.

    Otherwise, I think you are trying to win some cheap games. "Winning" a match in this way without even playing it is cowardly. Sure there are rules, but in this case seems like this team made a sincere effort to get to the match on time, and you penalized them so you could win more positions. I think that was wrong.

    If somebody's half an hour late with no excuse, then I leave with a W; but if there is bad traffic or a misunderstanding, then the match should be played, even if re-scheduled.
     
    #47
  48. kylebarendrick

    kylebarendrick Professional

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2006
    Messages:
    1,042
    Location:
    Northern California
    We had a match recently where our opponents had a doubles player stuck in traffic. The match time was 6pm, and (per league rules) the default time was 6:15. The team decided to put one of their singles players into that doubles match, so everyone that was there could play in case the tardy player didn't make it.

    Because we didn't have to worry about keeping the courts (private club), we told the opposing captain that if their player arrives by around 6:30 we'd go ahead and play the match. We exchanged line-ups at that point with the missing player on the 2nd singles line.

    My captain then found out our #1 singles player had had a rough day at work and would really prefer not to play. He then asked if we could switch singles lines. The opposing captain was firm that "no, you can't change the line-up after the exchange". This is absolutely true, but interesting after we had agreed to extend the default time...

    Anyway, at 6:30 our captain declares the 2nd singles line a default. At 6:45 the missing player arrives. Our captain isn't interested in re-visiting the decision to default the line. The other team starts petitioning me (I am the co-captain) saying "hey, everyone is here, why not let them play?". Since I agree with this sentiment, I spoke with our captain and convinced him to let the match proceed. I did have to point out to the other team, though, that we would have felt much more generous if they hadn't decided to strictly follow the rule book against us earlier.

    To top it off, once all that was resolved they asked if they could restore their original line-up and let the missing player play doubles instead of singles.

    So while I agree (and demonstrated) that getting people a chance to play is the real goal, once you start bending the rules you end up in some weird situations.
     
    #48
  49. sureshs

    sureshs Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2005
    Messages:
    34,756
    Important people always arrive late
     
    #49
  50. Loose Cannon

    Loose Cannon Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    384
    Am I the only one that chuckled on the 'We as a team would feel more comfortable enforcing the rules'........????

    I dont know the misfortune of having to play on Timed courts.....

    15 minutes is easy to kill.....takes more serves....BS with your team......

    My team knows a few guys from each team......so it would be bush league to try and throw the book at them over an obvious mistake. They would laugh at us, and probably tell us where to take our decision to enforce the law.

    Now if they were at the local Sportsbar watching the end of the Dolphins game......or finishing up at the links and were 45 min late....thats one thing...


    To me....I would just feel guilty taking the W like that.

    2 to 1, this team was viewed as 'superior' to yours.....
     
    #50

Share This Page