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  1. Satsuma Illini

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    Of course I realize there were others ranked ahead of him before they all decided to turn pro. But they are out of the rankings and that's their choice. Strictly talking about rankings and they are what they are.
     
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    Sorry, but that is just nonsense.
     
  3. Satsuma Illini

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    I'm not sure what you think is nonsense about it. The rankings are made up of players who eligible for college. If you become ineligible, then you're taken off the list. What's so hard to understand about that? If that's nonsense to you, then we're going to have to agree to disagree. You sound like you're upset about whatever your issue is and basic logic and facts are not obvious to you. Moving on.
     
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    No. They don't change those recruiting class rankings once they are made. Dallas may say different however If my recall serves me well i believe seeing this situation in the past.
     
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    Does anyone care about the class ranking? Talking about school wide - best recruiting class - ranking. I have noticed if anything that list doesn't track with the top finishers in NCAA at all. Stanford got 3 bc's and may be high on that list, but so what, it's not gonna help their cause this year. Data just doesn't seem that relevant.
     
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    That's exactly what I am talking about. After the student commits and once they rank the recruiting class, its over. Does not matter who turns pro or does not show up for school after that. http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/article.asp?id=1351&sessionid=17FB52426342033F
     
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  7. Satsuma Illini

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    I care about the class rankings, but after the final rankings come out, there are so many changes that it starts to become irrelevant. It's something to go by, but there are so many commitments and changes that it's not very accurate in the end. I wish they would update it more often but from what I understand they are swamped with keeping it up as it is.
     
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    Dennis Nevolo defeated fellow former Illini Ryan Rowe 6-3, 6-3 in the 2nd round of the Godfrey Futures today. Rowe is still in the doubles tournament and has advanced to the final!

    Also posted the upcoming tournaments for the Ilini during August.

    Godfrey Futures Results

    Illini August Tournaments
     
  9. Satsuma Illini

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    For those of you who were wondering, just posted a Ross Guignon update. He had some knees issues and had to rest it but has started his training again. Posted his tweets.

    Ross Guignon Update
     
  10. ClarkC

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    No, eligibility is not the issue. It is not just a matter of turning pro. It is often the case that the very top player in the country becomes "unranked" not by turning pro, but by focusing on non-USTA tournaments, like Futures. Alex Clayton, Alex Domijan, Rhyne Williams are some recent examples.

    So, if Illinois signed the top two recruits, but then by late July they had both become "unranked" because they had long since moved on to playing Futures tournaments, then some fan from a school that signed a 2-star and a 1-star could say that their school had signed two recruits who were both "ranked higher" than the Illini recruits! Wow, how impressive! Illinois has the #1 recruiting class in the country, but Western Illinois can claim that both of their recruits are higher ranked! That is what I refer to as nonsense. I think that if "basic logic and facts" matter to you, you will see the point.
     
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    game. set. match.
     
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    Anyone who is curious about the subject can go to the TRN pages for the following players and tell me their final TRN ranking:

    Alex Clayton
    Michael Shabaz
    Rhyne Williams
    Alex Domijan
    Mac Styslinger
    Shane Vinsant

    The last two were higher-ranked, before they stopped playing USTA tournaments, than any other players in the current recruiting class besides the three who turned pro. None of these six players turned pro as juniors, but all became "unranked" by this time of year.
     
  13. Satsuma Illini

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    I agree with everything you said. Many players stop playing tournament that would allow them to be ranked so they can move on ahead. I thought we were talking about the TNR's ranking that are made available to us. Just because whoever is ranked number one right now, doesn't mean that they are the best player in the juniors. You seem to think I've narrowed down the rankings to only those who are eligible to be ranked. While it's an accomplishment to be ranked that high, I agree with what you said about other players out there who are better. For now. Are you understanding what I'm saying?
     
  14. Satsuma Illini

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    Thanks for that deep comment. lol
     
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    Yes. For that matter, my school's top recruit, Mac Styslinger, was always ranked ahead of Mitchell Krueger during the recruiting season, but then Krueger started having great results (including the recent junior Wimbledon) while Styslinger became totally unranked before Krueger could pass him in the numerical rankings. But I concede that Krueger had passed him as a top recruit before turning pro.

    Ranking the players as late as July is just very tricky. Ross Guignon, for example, was about #15 when he committed to Illinois. Then he slowed down his tournament activity (no need to chase points any more after committing), and his final ranking is listed as #29, which is not even blue chip territory any more. But it would be wrong to characterize him as a #29 recruit a year ago. So, even when someone does not lose so many results that they become unranked, they can lose a lot of numerical ranking spots, and we can be misleading when we talk about them in late summer.
     
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    Any idea why they only put out the rankings twice a year? The response i got was just that they were understaffed and didn't have the resources to do it.
     
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    I can't imagine them ever doing it more than that. Up till a couple years ago it was only done once, in the fall, so you lived with that ranking all year. Acutally, that was pretty brutal if you ended up at 26 on Sept 1st no matter how far you climbed you remained a 5 star rather than blue chip for 12 months. So I am not sure it is manpower, I think 2 times ends up being enough. A lot always changes for the seniors, no matter when they spun them, they would be skewed because of matters already mentioned. They just aren't important after you commit, the players know that. They are worrying about other rankings/things at that point.
     
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    It is actually a problem of sorts for the 12th graders to put out the blue chip/5-star etc. rankings a second time. If they chase rankings, commit in November, and stop playing USTA in favor of men's opens or whatever does not incur so much travel cost, then some of them lose some ground from the September 1 rankings cut-off to the February 1 rankings cut-off. 5-stars become 4-stars somewhat misleadingly, etc. I think this works out fine for every class below 12th grade, and TRN responded to popular demand by doing it, but there is no perfect system for the 12th graders. Some of them keep playing USTA right through August, while some are done with USTA in October of 12th grade because they have nothing left to prove in USTA.
     
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    Ryan Rowe won the Godfrey Futures doubles title with Marcelo Avarelo! They beat the top seeds to take the title. Dennis Nevolo also advances to the singles semis. He'll face former Wolverine Jason Jung for a place in the finals. Go Illini!

    Godfrey Updates
     
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    Nevolo goes down to Jung in three sets in the Godfrey semis. Still a good effort by Nevolo and a great win by Rowe in the doubles this week. Go Illini!
     
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    Lots going on with the Illiini this week:

    Ram makes it to the semis at the Farmers Classic.
    Anderson played World Team Tennis last week and is the third seed at the Citi Open in D.C. this week.
    Julian Childers is the 5th seed and still alive at the ITA Summer Circuit at IndianaU.
    Nevolo, Rowe, and Ghasya are playing at the Decatur Futures.

    Illini Tennis Updates

    Also checked up on why former Illini Kevin Anderson wasn't playing in the 2012 Olympic Games. He didn't meet the criteria to be selected but there seem to be some issues between him and SA tennis. He has already applied for his Green Card in the States as well.

    Kevin Anderson and the Olympic Games
     
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    Childers ended up as runner up at the Indiana tournament of the Summer Circuit.

    Childers Runner-Up

    Rowe defeated Ghasya to join Nevolo, Hoh and Kopinski in the main draw of the Decatur Futures. Rowe/ Gonzales and Kopinski/Ghasya are also in the doubles.

    Decatur Updates

    Anderson is seeded third at the Citi Open in Washington D.C.

    Anderson Citi Updates

    Illinois' four recruits, Hiltzik, Page, Jesse, and Childers are playing at the Kalamazoo National Tournament.

    Kalamazoo updates, seedings and draws
     
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    Does anyone know if Bruno still has family in Aleppo?
     
  24. Satsuma Illini

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    Last I heard Abdelnour has a brother playing college tennis in a Florida school I think. Not sure about the rest of his family. I've been wondering about this too. It's getting bad over there. Hope they are ok.
     
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    Rounded up the Illini's activities during July. They've been busy!

    July Round Up
     
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    Kalamazoo starts. Childers won his 1st rd today. Jesse tomorrow and Hiltzik and Page have 1st round byes.

    Kalamazoo
     
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    Former Illini VS Present Illini

    At the Decatur Futures, former Illini Ryan Rowe defeated Ante Pavic and present Illini Stephen Hoh defeated Nick Chappell to advance to the semifinals! And guess who they play in the semis tomorrow?! Great job guys! Go Illini!

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    Rowe tops Hoh 6-4, 6-4.
     
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    Rowe's been playing at a high level within this tournament, I wonder if he's changed anything up. Maybe less of his serve and volley game or is he just hitting his spots well on serve?
     
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    Rowe defeats No. 3 seed Snam Singh to win the singles title at the Decatur Futures! Congratulations to Rowe!

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    Rowe stays hot after his Decatur win. Teamed with Nguyen, they beat No. 3 seeds Carleton and Fratangelo easily 6-2, 6-1.

    Edwardsville Futures
     
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    Heard from Ross Guignon that most of his family are in France so relieved to hear that. Still have some relatives still in that area though from what I understand.

    Abdelnour
     
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    Great to hear. Thanks.
     
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    Jared Hiltzik defeated Shane Vinsant and advances to the semifinals of Kalamazoo! He'll play Alexios Halebian, who beat #2 Michael Redlicki.

    Kalamazoo Updates
     
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    The 2012 ITA Summer National Championships draw is out. Of the Illini, Hoh, Gosea, Page, Childers, and Jesse are taking part. Hoh is the defending champion.

    ITA Summer Championships
     
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    Hiltzik lost to Halebian 6-3, 7-6 in the Kalamazoo semifinals. Still, a great effort this week by Jared. This is the farthest an Illini recruit has gone at Kalamazoo! Looking forward to his career at Illinois!

    Kalamazoo Updates
     
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    Hiltzik takes third place when Rubin forfeits for an injury and also wins the sportsmanship award! Making the Illini proud!

    Kalamazoo

    Rowe wins his third Futures title (1 singles, 2 doubles) in a month! Teamed up with Daniel Nguyen to take the Edwardsville Futures doubles title.

    Edwardsville Futures
     
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    Halebian is a pro, so Hilzik did well to stay with him.
     
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    Why did Brian Page withdraw from this tournament? Is he hurt?
     
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    Farris Gosea wins the ITA National Summer Championships by defeating Indiana's Sam Monette in the final 7-6, 6-0.

    Summer Championships Update
     
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    I haven't heard about an injury but he played 12 matches (9 singles, 3 doubles) at Kalamazoo from Aug 3-10, and with the Summer Championships starting on the 11th, he may have been just too worn out. He was scheduled to play Finalist Sam Monette in the 2nd round too. Funny how that all works out.
     
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    Wow,good win by gosea. Good opportunity for someone in and out of the lineup to get a main draw wc for all-americans.
     
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    Rajeev Ram teams up with Comeback Kid Brian Baker and they beat the Olympic bronze medalists in the 1st round of the Cincy Masters! Way to go!

    Illini Cincy Updates
     
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    With the new NCAA changes coming in college tennis, one of the lesser changes bugs me a lot. Illinois is hosting the NCAA Championships next May, and according to the report, the 1st two rounds and the Sweet 16 and Elite 8 will be held in regionals before the final four teams come to Illinois. With the Illini team losing the top two players and the team being so young this year, it was going to be a struggle to get to the Sweet 16 and a place in the tournament that we are hosting. Now it's going to take a miraculous effort to accomplish that.

    NCAA, sometimes you really really suck.

    Illini Update on the NCAA changes.
     
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    How many times has Illinois reached either the sweet 16 or elite 8 in last 20 years or so? Sincere question, I don't know about team/history. And I think I read somewhere here that change wasn't till 2014?
     
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    Quite a few times actually. But you're right about the 2014. The changes for the rules take place in 2013. The format for the tournament takes place in 2014. Thank god for that at least.
     
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    2011 - Lost to UCLA in championship game
    2010 - Lost to Texas in regional semifinal
    2009 - Lost to Hawaii in regional semifinal
    2003 - Lost to Hawaii in regional semifinal
    1998 - Lost to Long Beach State in regional semifinal
    1995 - Lost to Texas in regional semifinal
    1993 - Lost to Colorado in regional semifinal
    1992 - Lost to Stanford in regional final
     
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    Uhh, I don't think these are the correct results. Illinois had a very long Sweet 16 streak until they lost to Wisconsin in 2010. They have made the Sweet 16 the past two years.
     

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