Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by IlliniSky, Feb 14, 2011.
No, because you don't know what you are talking about:
I have never seen a player be given X minutes for a bathroom break and take X+3 minutes, so I don't know whether the enforcement is inconsistent or not. In order to be sure, I would have to know what the time limits are (as mentioned, could be agreed upon by coaches), see someone leave after a set for a bathroom break, time it myself, see the player come back very late, and see no penalty given. Preferably, I would need an indication that the umpire is aware of the lateness, like seeing him watching a timer or hearing him say something to the late player when he returns, but then not giving a penalty. Then I would be able to say that I have seen inconsistency.
Have you seen this happen, with all this knowledge?
"I cannot recall this kind of penalty" is not the same as "They are inconsistent in enforcement." I have never seen a player be gone for a long time on a bathroom break, period, much less possess all the other knowledge I listed. Have you ever seen a player take 5 minutes for a bathroom break? I have not, and I have been to a lot of matches.
No, because I don't agree with the interpretation of the rules and the way they are inconsistently enfoced. You can throw your "experience" and knowledge of the rule book at me all you want, but with all the formats and places to play and circumstances, that is one rule that is very dicey in carrying out. And we are talking about it because most of us have never seen it enforced like that and that's the problem. You have your opinion and I have mine. Don't mistake yours for fact.
All you said there was "I disagree with you." That's fine. And I'm not even sure what your position is after reading that. Maybe I'll try reading it again a few more times and understand it. There are too many things to consider for a match like that to be interrupted like that. The ump was overzealous and the Illinois head coach had no idea what was going on. End of story.
I am not throwing my experience at you at all. The rule is not dicey in carrying out if the coaches/tournament committee don't agree to something otherwise. The rule was changed in men's division one tennis around constant cheating and abuse of the "reasonable time" rule that used to be in effect. These rules are established and voted on by the coaches, so to say that the coach did not know what was going on is most likely wrong. He may have tried to look like he did not know what was going on, but I'm going to assume that he did. He is the only one that knows for sure.
If he felt like he was having a problem, he could have told the umpire and used the bathroom break as an emergency medical timeout. But apparently he did not do that either.
So, show me again where the umpire was wrong to do what was done? Oh wait, it's only your opinion because you watch every single match of every single tournament, and know exactly that every tournament does not come to an agreement with bathroom breaks, and you know that every single time in every single match at every single dual or tournament that umpires are not assessing these penalties.
Yeah, ok. I've stated my opinion. I'm not going to change your opinion or anyone else's. And you won't change mine. I've stated what I think is wrong with this situation and setup. You think different. The All-American was a fiasco and I'm glad we're moving on. I'll start discussing Illini tennis when they do something worth discussing again.
Yes, he has his opinion and you have yours.... though.... your opinion is very weak because you have nothing to back it up with. You have not given us anything to believe that ITA referees are inconsistent or that the rules are unfair. I have only read 3 reasons you have said for why you support your opinion. 1) You have never seen the ITA call out this rule before. 2) You claim that college players are unaware of this rule. 3) There are so many rules that it is ludicrous for a player to remember this rule.
Tell me if there was anything else I left out.
1) I have never seen a 9pt penalty. Big difference. And other posters I've talked with said the same thing. It's unusual. That's wht we're talking about it.
2) Either unaware or not really expecting it to be applied so strictly. Why was Frank surprised when they started counting off points? Why was Nevolo so flustered by it that he tried to get a medical timout to get his focus back and instead got another penalty point?
3) I have never said that there were too many rules. I said there are too many inconsistencies with enforcing the rules.
Try again. I'm moving on like I said before. And good luck to the Trojans. Looks like another good year for them.
Thanks for finally seeing things correctly. Anyways, best of luck to Illinois. Hope they have a good season this spring.
I haven't really changed my opinion on anything but ok. But let's move on. And thanks about the Illini. We'll need it!
I'll make it simpler for you. Have you ever seen a player tell an ump he is going to the bathroom, the ump tells him he has 2 minutes, the player comes back after 5 minutes, and there is no penalty?
After two long sets, one player needed a bathroom break. He was late and received a warning. On to the third set.
In another example, the player was late, was given a 2pt penalty after ump and coaches discussion and on to the third set.
As has been mentioned earlier, Nevolo has had medical issues and sometimes you have to GO. This whole discussion is about a overzealous ump giving a player a 9 point penalty which completely ruined the whole thing everyone was there to watch. I guess we have to give kudos to the heroic ump that said F... you to the players, schools and fans watching the game and bravely gave a player a 9pt penalty that became a 10point penalty and pretty ended the match.
If you require signed documents and video proof of the examples, you'll just have to do without. Moving on.
In the ******* Regionals, Abdelnour and Kopinski win their opening rounds while Guignon loses. Hoh coming up.
Hoh wins in a 3-setter. Three Illini in the round of 32.
Kopinski got killed by Rola 2 and 0. Abdelnour won 7-5 in the third and Hoh won in straights to get to the final 16. Buchanan up next for Hoh.
Abdelnour and Hoh both go down in the round of 16. Abdelnour/Guignon destroyed in the doubles. Hoh/Kopinski into the round of 16.
Rola wins the ******* Regionals for second year in a row. Buchanan/Kobelt take the doubles title.
Nevolo is playing at the Mansfield Futures in Texas. He made it thru the qualies and beat a wildcard to make it to the second round. 8th seed Blake Strode next.
At least at a futures, he will be able to take a bathroom break with reasonable time as his limitation, so there won't be a 9 point penalty.
LOL. Thank goodness for that.
#5 blue chip recruit, Michael Redlicki, lists his status as "Open" at TRN. He is from Illinois. That's the kind of recruit the Illini need.
He is rumored to have a high interest in Duke
that would be fantastic news; here's hoping ramsey can convince him duke is the right place
purdue football 21-7
if i were you then i'd be very confident about duke landing him
Yep. We aren't getting the top ten recruits anymore.
In the first round of the ITA Indoors Championships. Nevolo won 6-2, 6-4 and Kalmanovich lost 7-6, 6-4.
Nevolo defeats K. King 6-7, 6-3, 6-4 to advance to the semis against #4 seed Quigley.
Kalmanovich loses in 1st round of consolation.
Top ten? No... Can Dancer and Asse develop these guys into some of the top players in the country? Who will Dancer get to come in to get our roster over the bare minimum of 6? Who is going to be the next to bail out on the Illini program?
Nevolo defeats Quigley 7-5, 6-4 and advances to the final for a rematch with Frank.
Frank looks unstoppable though.
Nice win for Nevolo. Quigley has always been a nemesis of his.
Nevolo can beat anyone in the country when he's able to not only dictate the points but also the speed of play.
I wish him some luck, he'll need it against a really talented Frank.
Congratulations to Nevolo for finishing runner-up at the ITA Indoors!
what were the scores? Anyone heading over to Atkins at the U of I next week for the pro tourney. Didn't Nishikori beat Amer Delic in the final last year?
OK, I see he lost in three, tight 7-5 in the third. Nice match.
Top recruits Michael Redlicki and Shane Vinsant will announce their commitments tomorrow, Wednesday, November 9, a.k.a Signing Day. I have no inside info on where they are going. Others are saying Duke and Texas A&M, respectively.
Those two schools are correct. Vinsant is heading to A&M and redlicki to duke.
What happened to the unofficial Illini tennis web site?
It was in your signature for a long time. Illinitennis.something.
Ah, ok. I thought there was another site I didn't know about. Working on it but its kind of hard to update when your school doesn't even care enough to put out their 2012 schedule yet. Every Big Ten school has their schedules updated. Even Penn State. The exception? Illinois of course.
Sometimes I have to dig down deep to find the motivation to keep rooting for this school's athlectics.
What is the URL? I cannot find it any more now that it is not in your signature.
Thanks for asking. It wasn't getting many hits so I took it off while I update it some. It wasn't that great a site. I just tried to put all of the Illini tennis history and results on one site.
My Illini has been updated some so here it is. Of course, Illinois is the only B1G school not to have their tennis schedule up yet so I'll have that up whenever they decide to get around to it.
Shooting the messagers. umps stopping natual flow of things.
Number #1 is possible with minimal fluid intake, oth i've kept flowrates going for over a minute..after drinking lots.
Butt i absolutely must protest about #2, impossible to fire away and empty the barrel within the allotted time limits.
Woodrow is trying to discourage players from good hygiene.
Only way to read into his comments are by concluding that wiping ones ass or washing hands is unacceptable under rules of college tennis, unless done on court.
Even my local area automated toilets give 10 minutes before sounding warning buzzers and opening the doors.
If willing to put up with such horrible music!
#1 in world.
Won future event few months ago, multi finalist. Improved ranking into 300's.
Apparently all women in india want to have his baby. More popular than the beibers.
He's a good player but i don't think he is good enough to bring back the Glory days for the Illini
Alex Jesse Joins the Illini
by Marcia Frost, 21 November 2011
Alex Jesse will be staying in the ******* and joining the Fighting Illini tennis team next fall. The Blue Chip recruit had a number of options since he has been consistently at top of the national rankings over the last few years. It has all been a result of his solid tournament play in both singles and doubles.
Alexander Jesse to Illinois This year Jesse won the 18s ******* Designated Singles; placed fourth at a January USTA Regional in Michigan in singles and fourth in doubles. In 2010, he came in third in the Ohio USTA National Open, and also placed in a half dozen ******* events. The results he had were consistent throughout his junior career. The skill of the Mequon, Wisconsin, player has been well appreciated by Brad Dancer, Head Men's Coach at the University of Illinois.
"He's a great athlete that can move like a cat and is fundamentally sound in most areas of the court," says Dancer. "We really look at Alex as being the total package. Alex knows he has a ton of work to do in the coming year so that he is physically strong enough to implement his game at the collegiate level, but if he takes on that challenge, we know he will make an immediate impact on our program."
For Jesse, who turned 18 this fall, getting to that level was not just about junior tennis. He continued to also play high school tennis, and it paid off. Jesse won the Wisconsin State High School Championship in 2010 and came close to doing it again this year, losing in the finals to Damon Niquet.
The decision to go to the University of Illinois was not made lightly by Jesse, who was very organized throughout the process. "By the beginning of my junior year, I had developed a list of over a dozen schools that met academic, tennis and other criteria." The teen explained further how the process went for him, "By January of this year, the list was down to about five schools. The five on the list were Vanderbilt, Wisconsin, Northwestern, UCLA, and Illinois."
Jesse put a lot of thought into his final college choice. He says he made a few visits before making the verbal commitment. "I was fortunate enough to go on some unofficial visits. Illinois was one of the schools that I took an unofficial visit to in February of this year. By March, I had made my decision to commit to Illinois. I went on my official visit to Illinois in October, which only added to my enthusiasm."
In the end, Jesse explains that there were two factors that helped him make his decision to go to school in Champaign. "One was the atmosphere at the University of Illinois. It just felt like a good fit for me." But he also knew that he needed to have the right relationship with the coach, and that was also there. "The other important factor," he admits, "was how comfortable I was with Brad Dancer. He is very genuine and knowledgeable, and I felt I would work well with him."
Academics was the final piece of the puzzle for Alex Jesse, who wants to major in engineering. He felt that Illinois has one of the best engineering programs in the country. Jesse is very aware, however, that the work is just beginning on and off the court as he and his new coaches work on his schedule for the next year.
"I am actually playing a junior tournament this weekend," Jesse explains. "Brad and I have discussed what tournaments I should be playing this year, which includes junior and ITA (Summer Circuit) tournaments. I am sure we will continue to discuss it as the year progresses."
Alex Jesse is not the only one counting the days until he's officially a college tennis player at the University of Illinois. "[Associate Head Coach] Marcos and I are tremendously excited about many aspects Alex will bring to the Illini," says Coach Dancer. "He brings personality and an excitement to athletics that we feel will be contagious among his teammates and throughout the school. He is a tremendous student that can thrive in our campus environment."
We've got a long ways to go to get back to the glory days but two blue-chips is always a good start. Dancer's problem is keeping them.
What is wrong with Dancer ??? I sure hope it isn't about what we have been hearing so much lately,,,,,,,
Which would be what.
First of all, I thought that topic was a long time ago. Secondly, that's not remotely close to what i said.
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