I'm Sick of Players Trying On Returns

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  1. TTMR

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    I think one of the worst consequences of molasses-ized surfaces, polyester strings and beachball tennis balls has to be how it has changed the dynamic of the return game.

    I loved how in the 90s, on real surfaces especially, players would simply tank return games. Or they'd just try and go huge on the return and fail 95% of the time. If the returner had to take more than a couple of steps, he'd concede the point. If he was down 40-0 or 40-15 while returning, he'd push the next return out simply to get on with serving. That's the way it is supposed to be. Four points and move on, rinse and repeat; fast forward to the tiebreaker as quickly as possible.

    And what's with this nonsense of players putting in effort running down drop shots and retrieving would-be winners and overheads? I was sick of this during the US Open final push-fest. Roddick was one of the few holdouts who consistently refused to run down drop shots. He knew it would cost him some points, but he also knew his manhood would remain intact. Sadly, those values, once widespread in the men's game, were likely retired with him. This isn't a big surprise, as the ATP and ITF have made a conscious decision to reward stick-figured nancy boys who like to run around all day, more reminiscent of 1970s WTA moonball tennis than anything else.

    Don't get me started on the two-handed backhand.
     
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    "...That's the way it is supposed to be. Four points and move on, rinse and repeat; fast forward to the tiebreaker as quickly as possible."

    lol. Wait, you were being serious. Let me laugh even hader, PWHAHAHAROFL.

    "And what's with this nonsense of players putting in effort running down drop shots and retrieving would-be winners and overheads?"

    "He knew it would cost him some points, but he also knew his manhood would remain intact."
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    So, working hard isn't "manly"? Do you have kids? If so, is that what you teach them?
     
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    I teach them to work well, so they don't have to work hard. Furthermore, I'd argue it's harder work to learn to win the right way than to simply pull any trick out of the old pusher toolkit just to unconvincingly win a few piddling points on your opponent's unforced errors.

    Seriously, you're tour professionals. Man up or get out.
     
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    See, thing is, you're missing the point. Just because that's how you would like the game to be played, doesn't make it "the right way". Your opinion essentially is that if the reciever has to move more than sightly, just let the server have the point; Don't chase down any groundie that isn't coming right towards you; Just let the guy have this one so we can lose a tiebreaker and get home in time to watch "The Voice". I feel bad for anyone that looks up to you.
     
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    Please tell us which book tells us that it is the way it is supposed to be!
     
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    I can't tell if the posters responding to the OP realize that he's being sarcastic.
     
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    Same book that says men should play 3 set finals, and that we should all aspire to gargle Sampras' N**sack because he's the god of tennis.
     
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    Do you think this guy, if a tennis player, would prance around like Baryshnikov when playing points? No. He'd overpower his opponent into submission with an untouchable serve, flat eastern forehand and a crushing overhead. His (one-handed, obviously) backhand would be a low-percentage all or nothing kill shot. Furthermore, he'd know his service games would carry him through, and would give his opponent, as a server, the respect he deserves. He certainly wouldn't dignify drop shots with a response.

    One person here questioned how I educate my children. I teach them to have confidence. Have confidence in your serve, know that no matter what, you won't be broken. That way you won't have to bore us to death with your yawn-inducing pushing.
     
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    TTMR knows how it's done. Great job, Sir, hats off.

    TTMR, you need to teach sureshs the lost art.
     
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  11. Ms Nadal

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    The points did end quicker and shorter matches. Those were the great days for sure.
     
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    A man after my own heart. 8)

    Whenever I play a match, I declare the point to be over whenever I hit a ball that would have been a winner had my opponent not been camped ten feet behind the baseline. I then triple fist pump and perform pelvic thrusts toward the sky.
     
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    OP must be sarcastic. The idea that running down drop shots or going for good returns is somehow stupid? So when Federer runs down a drop shot and turns it into a fantastic winner should we condemn him for that? Minds wonder.
     
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    Well talk to the surface bra, not the strings.
     
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    You sir, are the definition of sportsmanship all while being a gentleman and a scholar. :)
     
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    I'm actually tempted to agree with parts of this. The part about the would be winners. There's times when I get tired of seeing Murray reach another Federer winner and push it back and end up winning the point.
     
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  22. smoledman

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    We should be angry at Murray for doing that, why? I mean I've cursed Nadal so many times for making Federer hit 4-5 winners to win a single point but that's only made Federer a better player in the end.
     
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  23. rajah84

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    I agree, it just bugs me at times. I have mixed feelings about how tennis should be played. There's times when I think it should be more about defense (Nadal Murray Djokovic) and times when I prefer a more offensive game, whatever that is. I think Federer is the ideal balance of both. He returns winners with winners and his level of chasing down would be winners is to a lesser degree than the other three guys. Perhaps I'm giving him too much credit. Maybe it has more to do with his style and less his defensive abilities.
     
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    You mean naughty old Murray should just let Federer hit his winners and stop trying to do anything about them? Maybe he should shout a question to Roger if he thinks he's about to go for a winner and if Roger says yes, he should just step aside and let him hit it! :)

    I think Federer is ugly enough and tough enough to know what he needs to do when playing Murray. I think he's learnt to cope with him returning his winners by now. :wink:
     
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    It's players like this op going ape because their opponent is a pusher, that give me great pleasure when I feel like being a pusher.
     
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    I don't play tennis, but anybody who can return a ball with only one hand on the racquet is awesome. The control they must have....:)
     
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  28. Ms Nadal

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    You're right there. It is a skill to be able to get the ball back into play :). Love watching these great retrievals!
     
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    You must love Isner
     
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    Personally, I prefer Karlovic due to his one-handed backhand and abject refusal to trade groundstrokes with inferior players. Isner and Raonic are some of the most exciting players around, but their effeminate two-handers leave a sour taste in my mouth. If Lopez would beef up his serve so he can become an ace machine, and Tsonga would complete the process of disposing of his two-handed backhand, they'd be alright.

    Tsonga has one of the best approaches to returning among the non-giants today.
     
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    ^^Look man, you don't win a set 70-68 without refusing to try on returns.

    Isner will always be GOAT in my book
     
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    Agreed.

    This whole post was interesting. Had some good laughs on the first page from the GIFs.

    OP, did you like Michael Chang? ;)
     
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    why would you not try to win a point?
     
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    It's not about how many points you win, but when you win them. Great servers often win fewer points than their baseline counterparts, but still frequently win matches in tiebreakers or in one clutch return game. Wasting time and energy trying to win multiple return games is inefficient and taxing. It also betrays a sense of insecurity and vulnerability in your own service game when your opponent sees you are 'trying too much' on his serves. You can't let your opponent gain that mental advantage.
     
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    TTMR, what about Safin and Nalbandian? Surely, their two handed backhands were acceptable due to them being superior talent-wise than Djokovic and Nadal?
     
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    They are honorary one-handers.
     
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    perhaps at the weak rec level, but strong players give it all 100% on every point. guys like nadal and hewitt. even college players. If a coach sees a player not trying on a return game, then there will be words hahaha.
     
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    masterful, TTMR, even the 'manhood' part went over their idiotic heads

    just beautiful
     
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    Triple fist pump! :)

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    Nothing stays the same.
    It's called evolution. If you don't enjoy watching pro tennis the way it's being played, do something else.
    The ideas presented by the OP are ridiculous.
     
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  42. NLBwell

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    Hey, back when the tour was all on grass, guys would save their energy if they got down one break. They certainly would if they got down 2 breaks. There were quite a few 6-0 sets.
    Of course, each set might go 24-22 before there was a service break.
    There might have been a reason to conserve energy.
     
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  43. ninman

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    If the OP isn't a tennis coach, he should be.
     
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    But will it blend?
     
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    1/10 for effort and execution.
     
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    I loved it when tennis was nothing but serve-fests, like between Sampras and Ivanisevic, and Sampras and Krajicek, etc. back in the 90's because you have to be big and strong and a real man to be able to hit aces on every other serve. So a tennis match comes down to who can hit more aces to prove who the bigger stud is. :)
     
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    Are you serious?

    The worst aspect of the game are the 6'10 big servers, who can't hit a shot to save their life. We get to see rallies now. Some people argue they are too long, which is an valid opinion, but watching actual groundstrokes must be preferable to four serves in a row.

    I... I'm getting rather angry...
     
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    Nadal manned up the sport of tennis.
     
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    dafuq did i just read?
     
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