Impressed - BB 11

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  1. montx

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    I recently came back into playing club level tennis. I must say I am enthused with my new racquet. My current set up is BB 11 with M:60 KLIP Legend Natural Gut 16 1/2 X:57 Luxilon ALU Power Rough 1/2

    I found this to be a players racquet that offered stability and low swing weight and a good blend of control and power.

    I recently came to this racquet from the Volkl 10 tour mp gen II because of similar stats.

    I feel blessed to have the opportunity to play with this racquet because I think the specs and playability is just good.

    I had very solid feel from groundstrokes and almost effortless volleys. My service was comfortable and overheads unhampered by the weight.

    Somehow to me this racquet felt just slightly heavy but I had little trouble after two hours of play so I think if I am able to continue play I will grow into the little weight problem and fully adjust.

    I agree with the people that say it does help your game, it has mine.
     
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    which BB11 are you reffering to...? the BB11 18x20 or the 295g..?
     
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    the 12 oz 18x20
     
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    I had a similar positive experience with the BB11 standard demo. I had leather on it, plus my usual butt expansion (6gr) and although it was sweet on everything, with excellent spin potential (even for an 18x20), it was a tad too much SW for my aging & injured body to deal with over time. Would DEFINITELY consider this frame if I were a fit player in my 20s - 30's.

    Just a little curious, of the players who are really considering this frame, please offer your age-range in your posts...
     
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    i actually find the bb11 more "hollow" feel compare to my usual racquet.... i add lead on 2 and 10 oclock, and leather, now it feels much more solid...
     
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    The only problem i could find with it is the static weight which was a little cumbersome for me.
     
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    how much does your BB 11 weigh?
     
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  8. NoBadMojo

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    I think this frame, along with the V1 are the two best racquets Volkl has ever come up with.

    To make a flexible frame with 18mains have that sort of power, ease of spin and comfort is a great effort.

    It's an old school type of frame with the juice.
     
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    Needed Weight and Swingweight Questions

    I like all the positives that I keep hearing about the BB11 standard however the question that comes up for many of us (NBMJ, Bagung, myself and it looks like the OP, as well) is "Can we swing it hard enough for long enough?" It seems that a number us get tired in the third hour of play (yeah, some of us are a bit older and we don't work out like we used to).

    So, what is the swingweight of this stick? And, Bagung, you suggest adding a leather grip and lead ... what weight and swingweight do you get to?

    Don't get me wrong I agree that
    I wonder what the minimum static and swingweights are to make this happen? NBMJ, do you think that this racquet could not be any lower weight/swingweight to accomplish the power/spin/comfort combination you are talking about?

    I really need to take this racquet out for a spin.
     
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    My GUESS is that if they lost some swingweight in this frame it would have anemic power as it is flexy and has a dense stringbed. I know they worked on this frame for several month getting the dnx material situated right, tweaking the weight distribution, drill pattern, etc. In spite of what many people seem to think, a lot of engineering and effort goes into making a new racquet sometimes.

    I've been suggesting a 315swingweight, 16x19, slightly firmer 10series type racquet. I dont think the Gen2 worked out as the replacement for the c10 as intended and dont know how much longer they can make the c10. This would also serve as a replacement for the Gen1 lovers. They keep telling me that the market for frames like this is small and they're not going to add more sku's to it. Personally, I think it is better to come in slightly too light than slightly too heavy especially in a frame designed for a small market segment.
     
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    ^^^

    Looks like Head just released such a frame with the Head Prestige Pro.

    It's 16x19 and has a 63 RDC flex measurement.

    I'm really interested to see how it plays.

    I'd love to see Volkl make something similar. The DNX 9 was a good effort but it's not a lot of fun to play. It's a good frame but not great.
     
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    Hear, hear ... NBMJ, I am with you on this. Seems that the lightest version that can keep all the attributes (power,spin,comfort) is the way to go. The market for the lighter version (vs. a heavier version with the same attributes) has to be a bigger one as people can customize to their own swingweight preferences. That said, the lighter version still has to have the same power, spin, and feel attributes, or I won't take a chance. I don't assume that I can customize and regain the necessary attributes I'm looking for.

    I am still keeping my Gen 2's and DNX10 mids until I see something better. Maybe, just maybe ...
     
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    TourTenor,
    the std BB11 feel "hollow", and does not hit "heavy balls" as the dnx mid; by putting lead at 2 and 10 plus the leather, it feels more solid and it is still more easier to swing than the dnx mid. i can feel that when i practice on the BH volley for 20 minutes...i do not know the exact SW of the leaded BB11, but for sure it is less demanding than dnx mid..
    nowaday, i still play singles with the dnx mid, and playing the leaded BB11 on doubles only..
    in my opinion, the only thing that BB11 is better than dnx-10 mid is the volley..
     
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    for the last 6 month, i have bought and traded racquets just to find the "less demanding racquets of dnx-10 mid" with no success. it is either they are too light or they feel hollow and do not have that "plow through"... among the racquets i have tried are, m-fil300, BB11 18x20, T10gen2, K-90, n-90, M pro 1 (no tolerence), vantage 2.2.1.1.6,LM prestige mid , and now trying the donnay pro one (TW version)...
    i still end up using my dnx-mid as the main racquet..
     
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    I have a lot of trouble understanding the sensation of a hollow feeling racquet. All racquets are hollow and therefore feel hollow because they are. Thicker beamed racquets feel more hollow because they are more hollow. The old Dunlop foam filled frame 200g? didnt feel so hollow because it was filled with foam? the nBlade seems less hollow because it is filled w. fun foam or whatever they call that stuff. Hollow just isnt a sensation i can differentiate..they're pretty much all hollow, so therefore they feel hollow
     
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  16. bagung

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    maybe i should put it as " not as solid feel as"....??
     
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  17. samster

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    bagung, I would think most frames are hollow compared to the DNX 10 Mid. THAT, is one solid stick.
     
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  18. bagung

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    yes, after trying different sticks.... i really think so...
     
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    bagung - have u ever tried the C10? if so how did it compare to the DNX 10 Mid?

    btw - apologies for hijacking this thread for the moment.
     
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    i always want to try the C-10; as i heard so many good things about it...
    lately, i have been no success on trying the 98 sq head, such as M pro1(no tolerence), T10gen2, dnx10MP,BB11 18x20; it makes me wonder that i do not like 98sq head size???? and prefer mid than the MP??? i suppose that is the main reason i have not buy and try the C-10....
    sorry , can't help you..
    maybe NBMJ and others can help you with it...
     
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    You really found the K90 and N90 to feel hollow when compared too the DNX10Mid???

    Those are 2 very solid sticks...the K90 is the most solid stick ive ever used.

    Nick
     
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    For years i've been looking for a replacement racquets for myself due to discontinuation of a great stick! I've tried alot(about(8 different main sticks in 5years), light, heavy, long, flex, stiff..etc, etc etc. I've been listening to NMBJ for a long time and others as well, battle for and against new sticks. The BB11 is worth fighting for, this is a racuet for the ages! To me, it has the perfect blend of old school with new tech. The 12oz thing, people, I'm 5'9"-165...can't you play w/ a 12oz?

    But for the most important rule of them all.....STRINGS!
    want more feel......strings
    want more power.....strings
    spin..........strings

    as our boy Boris once said..."the racquet is the tool that holds my strings together" or something like that

    NMBMJ, please keep up the great "reality check" posts!
     
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  23. slice bh compliment

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    The BB 11 325g (the real one) is one of the finest frames ever.

    Volkl's had its problems of late [I guess] but they've come up with something truly great this time.

    Don't know how many professionals are using it (like that matters), but I think it's a great stick for a wide variety of players: baseliners, serve&volleyers, different levels, college players.

    Truly a RILF.
    Bravo Volkl.

    Oh, and re: NBMJ's post about the hollow feel, yeah definitely, everything feels hollow when you've come from a wooden racquet and the Dunlop Max 200g. But IMHO this frame, like the old C10 pro and comp feels much less hollow than anything else out there.

    EDIT: The Wilson Pro Staff / n / k / 90s do not feel hollow to me, but they feel stiff like braided frames often can feel.
    The old WIlson 4.3 Hyper Hammer felt incredibly hollow even though it was foam filled.
     
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  24. bagung

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    no, i did not find the k-90 and n-90m "hollow"...
    i was saying that i am looking for "less demanding " dnx-10mid, and the k-90 and n-90 certainly was not less demanding the the dnx mid
     
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    slice bh compliment - so do u own/play with the BB11? if so does the higher swing weight affect your game especially during longer matches?
     
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  26. slice bh compliment

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    Yes. I love it. The longer the better.

    I feel it's an easier racquet to play with than my old Volkl C 10 pros, my DNX 10 midplus, my DNX 10 mid, my Dunlop Aerogel 200.

    Tons of power, great touch, comfortable, very maneuverable. Just an all around mensch of a frame.
     
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    slice bh, do you feel the BB11 is better than the DNX 10 MP? I like the DNX 10 MP a lot but it gave me tennis elbow.
     
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    My BB weighs between 11.7 and 12 ounces, however, I only found the weight little high because, i just played a little tennis recently.
     
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    How tightly was this racquet strung and with what string? The DNX10MP is a flexy comfortable racquet with a handle dampening system. dense stringbeds can feel boardy with the wrong stringjob for sure. if you have TE, I would mostly avoid all dense stringbeds....there's many good choices out there which arent dense stringbeds. dont know your playing level, but this is a 4.5 and up type of frame
     
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    Thanks NBMJ. The DNX 10 MP was strung with Excellerator 18 at 53/54 lbs. It was not my usual grip size. I usually use 4 5/8 but it was 4 1/2. I am probably a 4.0 NTRP. I want to like the DNX 10 MP because I was hitting real well with the racket.

    I ordered a Becker 11 in 4 5/8 grip today and should get it in a few days. I will let everyone know how it goes. Becker 11 is 61 RDC vs DNX 10 MP 63 RDC. I hope with the right grip size and softer flex this would help. I will also string it at 52 lbs with Legend 17. Or would you recommend go 50 lbs?

    The TW SW of 337 worries me but what the heck...I will try it and see for myself.
     
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    NBMJ, also do you think the MOJO hybrid is better than straight Legend setup?
     
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    Thanks..i'll keep on keepin' on if it helps some people.

    well doesnt sound like it's the string or tension provided the 52 or whatever was an actual 52.

    i would ignore the 337 swingweight posted by TW. this racquet doesnt swing anything like that. i was a hair away from switching to it and my max swingweight is 320..it was only very marginally too hard for me to swing fast. maybe that will give you some reference point. It does swing slightly heavier/swings less headlight than the dnx10mp even though i think the specs might be really similar

    perhaps TW measured early/pre production b11's. sometimes the first ones from 10series type frames come in on the heavy side.
     
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    I really think so. cant think of anything it does less well and it lasts longer, strings dont require adjustment, you get a bit of the poly type spin, less expensive, etc.
     
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    thanks for that info. if the actual swing weight is nearer the C10 but has more pop than the C10 then i could be interested in giving this one a hit.
     
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    demoing a BB11 this weekend... yesterday, did some serving drills. what a way to start out demoing! the BB11 is impressive! i was skeptical about the string pattern- i usually play a more open pattern - but so far all seems fine... i will have a full hit/session today with the BB11...

    i put the demo on a simple scale and it weighs 330-332gs... does that sound right?

    has anyone put leather on for a grip? how does it feel/play?
     
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  36. slice bh compliment

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    Samster, like mojo said, a Volkl is not very likely to cause elbow pain. Maybe better / looser strings? Different technique? Bigger/softer grip?

    jcs, yeah that sounds right. Mine is more due to a larger pallet and leather with a Wilson pro overgrip. Nice. So stable, comfortable, powerful and maneuverable, too. I used to prefer an open pattern (c 10 comp...c 10 pro), but I prefer this now.

    Hope you like it as much as I do.
     
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    slice...
    just played 2 sets with it... i usually play with leather and an overgrip too, i think i would like the BB11 with that set-up. this stick just felt right, it felt like it was made to play...well, tennis! not just a one-trick pony! the demo i played was strung with PSGD 16... not my cup of tea, but still gave good response and a good idea of how this stick plays. the grip shape, to me, did not seem/feel completely Volkl (i'm not a Volkl guy, never owned one)... it felt nice. i agree, this stick is stable, comfy amd moves very well-actually really well! i like the sound it makes... off center shots have a slight 'pling' sound...more like a 'pluck' sound, but the sweet spot sounds great... a very distinguishable 'wahhmp'! plus, the sweet spot has great feel, it really cups the ball well and is well defined,(i usually play 16/18 or 16/20 pattern racquets... and wasn't sure what to expect with this pattern)...access to spin was there, for me i had to put a little extra effort into it for topspin, my 1HBH loves this stick (slice or topspin and especially plough through feel...my god, it was nice) my 1HFH loved return of serve and swinging with a semi-western or conti grip with big follow through, you can really swing through the ball with this racquet, no need for a lot of set up time. all-in-all i feel that this racquet is very well made. at first glance i was a little worried looking at the string bed, 18/20 man it looked like so much more than my other sticks, but that went away once you feel the 'feel' of this racquet. i'm impressed (who cares!! ;) ) probably will demo again (to make sure) and think about stringing options.
     
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    this frame spins the ball like some sort of hybrid between a 16mains and 18mains frame i think. it's not a tytpical 18mains drill pattern as it's not that hard to spin, but it also hits a more penetrating less loopy groundstroke than a 16m's frame.
     
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    well put...

    one of the reasons i noted that 'it looks like there is more string' in this racquet is the mains really are strung close to the outer edge, the spacing does not look all that dense, just spread out - sort of ;)
     
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    Man, wait until you get one -- put leather on and gut mains with a good poly in the crosses. Wow.
     
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    Yes, this racquet has made me say to myself, i didn't know i can play tennis.

    Sure my technique is OK, but it really took my level one notch up.
     
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    I want to thank you guys for this thread. I switched to the Becker11Lights with some lead, but have been missing the 11Standard that I was playing with before. I was still a little fast with the 11Lights even with the lead, but when I added more lead, the racquets just didnt feel right to me. maybe this is my first and last lead project ;) or if a next time for lead, think i will take them to a professional.
    So this thread triggered me bringing out the 11Standards this morning and I really hit well <for me> with them. cant rem the last time I had 4 aces in a row, but thats' what I had this day..all up the T-Bone. more penetrating less spinny from the backcourt, which really is what i need as i tend to hit with too much spin at times
    I still think the b11Light is a nice frame..it's very solid for it's lightweight, especially compared to the other frames out there with similar specs
    Thanks guys!
     
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    it's at the top of my list right now... i think i may go for it! if i do, i think i will put leather on, but i was thinking poly main for me... or maybe a poly fj. well if i get more than one BB11, i will try your set up! :)
     
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    you have been a great help too!!! good to see that you like playing the Std again...4 aces in a row is always nice! (by the way were you playing James Blake???)

    quick question... i have never played a Volkl racquet, just picked 'em up. the BB11's grip feels different from, say the, DNX9... i like the grip shape (coming from playing recently Babolats and Wilsons before that)... has that been a positive coming from playing Volkls? i think the BB11 grip shape works well with the racquet.
     
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    naah..i was playing some old lady ;) the Becker frames use a slightly less oblong grip pallet than the Volkl frames, but stil are more oblong that the babs and Wilsons you mention. not sure what your question is, but i think the more oblong grips lend themselves best to more neutral/less severe grips. it really is very easy to change the grip shape of Volkl/becker racquets while perfectly preserving the bevels..i too like them just plain stock with leather and overgrip...they feel so natural on the serve and the volley (continental grip) but i could get used to any reasonable grip shape
     
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    Never felt the desire to try the BB11 but I think I will now. I've never in my life hit four aces in a row. Then again I've never intentionally tried too. I hit kickers and slices in the corners, sometimes in the body, to get in quick behind.

    Maybe I'm missing out here?:)
     
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  47. jcstennis

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    i found an Eastern grip for serving a good fit with the BB11, plus the Conti...

    i guess there was really no question :-? i have always heard the Volkl, like Head grip shapes is a love 'em, hate 'em thing. i was happy to find the BB grip to be somewhat of a mellow version of the Babolat shape... it's shaped very well (for my tastes)...

    hey, take it easy on the old ladies!! jeez! ;-)
     
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    This One Looks Like a Keeper

    I have the BB11 standard on a demo program (actually my wife is looking for a new racquet and I added this one to her stack of sticks so I could try it). I have been reading mostly great things about this racquet but I was skeptical as I like the open string pattern of the 16X19s. I have been looking for something that plays like the DNX10mid but lets me swing 'consistently big' after 2 hours.

    The result ... I am extremely and pleasantly surprised. I didn't have any problem putting the spin I wanted on the ball. My groundstrokes were good and deep, nice movement on the ball. Volleys ... I think this is the best volleying stick I have ever played with (and I have played with some great volleying Volkl sticks). Serves ... No problems with any of my serves, speed, spins, etc. I could really move my serves around with excellent control. Overheads ... has great 'put away' power and is one of the best for precise location.

    To sum up my impressions ... 'me likey' this stick. It has big pop, excellent touch, allows whip, while offering great racquet head control. And, yes, I could swing this one for hours at a time. In fact, I am surprised that the racquet's swingweight is so low (way lower than TW 337). Feels a tad lower than my Gen 2's. That of course, has positives and negatives ... I need to test it more to see how the racquet holds up returning big serves. Also, I need to test it more for response on half volleys that are picked out of the air. I don't think that it is quite as sturdy as my DNX10 mids on the half volley. Other than those questions, I am extremely impressed.

    My wife who has also played for many years tried this one and with its swingweight was able to make it do all sorts of things that she can't always do ... she showed a much more aggressive style that she doesn't often exhibit. She volleyed with this stick like no other stick she has had. When we had stopped playing, she couldn't stop talking about how great this racquet feels. Very unusual for her.

    Anyway, so much for our first impressions. We are both going to keep demoing this one, but so far ....
     
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  49. NoBadMojo

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    guess you dont play old ladies then...i've found they're not that hard to ace......i like to mix it up, but it is easier for me to serve to the T-Bone with a racquet I havent been playing. Those short angles out wide take me a long time to get right with a new frame. I like to hit a topsin serve to get a short angle out wide because that has more ballspeed, but a flatty up the middle that slides away.
    so you play the edberg/rafter style.
    today was my reg monday 5.0 hit..if i can get some aces on the dirt against a good player, then i like to think i'm doing ok with the gear.
    the b11 may not be right for your particular game, but i would be surprised if you didnt come away impressed.
     
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  50. bad_call

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    after reading the posts here, it appears that the BB11 standard is close to the level of the T10V mid...only in a mid+ size.
     
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