In terms of actual skill, who is more talented between Federer and young Nalbandian?

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  1. Mike Sams

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    I know Nalbandian used to give Federer a lot of fits in the earlier days, even in defeat, and Nalbandian never dedicated his life to his craft.
    In terms of pure talent and ball striking skills, who is better between them?
     
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  2. dangalak

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    Ballstriking skills, Nalbandian, that's for sure.

    Both are more or less evenly talented in terms of tennis, but Federer is the better athlete.

    Let's not even get into things like mental toughness, dedication and serve. :lol:
     
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  3. RF20Lennon

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    I think their both extremely talented but federers natural ability is just phenomenal
     
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  4. RF20Lennon

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    Yes defs I agree!!!
     
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    Yup, it's almost ridiculous how sure you are of this. Fed's forehand is top 20 in the world at best. His backhand? Worse than any other one-hander I've seen. Where is that 100 sq inch racquet again...?
     
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  6. dangalak

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    Do you even know what ballstriking is?

    Hint: serial shankers are excempt from that club. :lol:
     
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    Backhand to backhand, Nalbandian bosses Federer around :lol:
     
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    Anyone who has seen Nalbandian's match with Federer in the 2003 Australian Open and in their indoor matches would agree that David has the better pure ballstriking skills. Despite being 5'11 (at best) he just has the ability to outhit just about anyone on tour once shotmaking becomes more important than movement as is in an indoor tournament.

    Federer has been so successful due to his superior mental toughness, match fitness and movement.
     
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    Nalbandian's talent is immensely overrated on these boards, I'd take Federer by a country mile.
     
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    Still Federer for me, no question.
     
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    Federer.....
     
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    I really don't understand why people hype up Nalbandian so much here.
     
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  13. Iron Man

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    what did Nalbandian do in his whole career ?
    No tennis player can be compared to Federer in terms of skill or talent
     
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    Neither! The Rocket!
     
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  15. dangalak

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    Every time somebody makes a decent and interesting thread, these people have to stink the place up.

    1. No Nalbandian's talent isn't "immensely overrated" on these forums. You just happen to be a glory hunter who isn't smart enough to distinguish true ability without having a dozen of trophies next to it.

    2. People hype up Nalbandian so much because he is in all likelihood one of the most gifted player in history.

    3. Another johnny come lately that cannot comprehend the meaning of the question of "WHO IS MORE TALENTED". Are you aware, how OFTEN Naldandian has made your idol look like a jock?
     
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  16. Prisoner of Birth

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    True. True. True. Safin and Nalbandian had the talent to win 20 Grand Slams between them; just not the temperament.
     
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  17. Tony48

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    Nalbandian was incredibly talented. Federer, however, was just even more talented.
     
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    This.

    Not sure about mental toughness though. I don't think Nalbandian was bad in that aspect and Federer wasn't that good to be honest.

    But I completely agree on the rest.
     
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  19. dangalak

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    :? Seriously, still vulturing that H2H?

    Federer is one of the clutchest guys ever.
     
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    What H2H??? Federer isn't that clutch. That is his main weakness IMO.

    He choked a lot of matches he was in a clear position to win. vs Nalbandian MC 2005, vs Safin AO 2005, vs Delpo USO 2009, vs Nadal Rome 2006, vs Hewitt DC 2003, vs Djokovic USO 2011, vs Djokovic USO 2010, and I can go on.

    Of course he is not Feliciano Lopez, but he is far behind Sampras or Nadal in that aspect IMO.
     
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    Pretty much this.
     
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  22. dangalak

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    Honestly, when will you realize that not every match where you had an opportunity to win is a choke.

    He has way too many comebacks and way too many clutch serving performances to be "far behind Sampras and Nadal".
     
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    Nalbandian is not over-hyped at all. He is a super talented tennis player. The problem with Nalby is that he was never as dedicated as Fed. His biggest problem is his fitness level. Nalbandian simply loves his burgers and his women more than tennis.

    Dangalak summed it up very well in his posts regarding Fed and Nalby.
     
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  24. dominikk1985

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    Fed easily. Nalbandian was a very fine ballstriker but he didn't have the power and athleticism of federer.

    his feel for the ball and technique are certainly up there with anyone but talent is not just about how great your droppers and angle shots are.

    athleticism, mental strength, willpower and hitting power are equally as important and fed was easily better than nalby in any of those.

    It's no coinicidence that nalby didn't win more in his career.
     
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    Seriously, people think Nalbandian is a better ballstriker than the guy with the greatest forehand of all time...?

    It's not like movement is completely separate from ballstriking. You have to have excellent movement to be in position to hit the ball.
     
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  26. dangalak

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    He is by far the better ballstriker.

    It seems to me you are not aware of what the term implies. Nadal has also one of the best forehands of all time and he isn't even close to being the best ballstriker.

    Serial shankers cannot be great ballstrikers.
     
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  27. dangalak

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    Thank you for proving you have no idea what "talent" means.

    Mental strength and will power are diametrically opposed to talent. It is the last thing that has to do with gift or else, a guy like Ferrer or Simon is immensely talented as well.

    Atleticism isn't talent either or else, many guys from the NFL would be "talented" tennis players. Physical talent is something you could use for any sport. "Tennis talent" only works for tennis though and should be the only one used.
     
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  28. NadalAgassi

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    I agree. It is funny there is anyone on this forum who thinks Federer is mentally as tough as Nadal imparticular, LOL!


    I would say in their youth they were about equal talents, but Federer's talents developed and grew by leaps and bounds while Nalbandian's did not.
     
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  29. forzamilan90

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    Fed's the more talented, skillful player no doubt. Nalbandian's backhand is insane, but other than that, I don't give him any edge against Federer.
     
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  30. Iron Man

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    hey , what do you want ? We don't agree with you and we're entitled to our opinion . and your idol ( nalby ) didn't make Fed look like a joke , don't base your argument on one match or two and mind your language next time
     
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  31. dangalak

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    Nadal's mental toughness is a little overrated. Grinders typically "choke" less anyway. They maintain the same level for a longer time. Also, he got crushed in straights far more often than Federer did.

    I wouldn't say that Federer is as tough as Nadal, but I disagree that there is some massive gap.

    On talent "developing": pretty sure the word "talent" is supposed to be the "gold" that a person has in their "soil". Not exactly something that you can "develop" only resurface.
     
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  32. ruerooo

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    D-Nal was brilliant. If I were a player, I'd still be afraid to face him in Davis Cup when he's healthy.

    He's got deadly angles. Have some posters here not seen the matches where he's beaten Roger? And not because Roger wasn't playing well, either. Is there a clip of that Shanghai Masters match around here somewhere?
     
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    What are you basing a statement like that on?
     
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  34. dangalak

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    Oh Internet tough guys. :)

    Nalbandian has made him look silly on numerous occasions. AO 03, Shanghai 05, Madrid 07, Paris 07.

    Also, what in the 7 hells of tartarus is "we are entitles to our opinion" supposed to mean? :lol: Did I ever state that you are legally banned from stating uninformed nonsense. Your opinion is wrong. And I am entitles to THAT opinion.

    U mad?
     
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  35. TheCheese

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    Well, what do you mean by ballstriking then?
     
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  36. NadalAgassi

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    You think Nadal's everything is overrated so who cares. It is hilarious you think a player who basically relied entirely on speed, mental toughness, overall defense, a forehand, and basically nothing else and won 11 slams by his mid 20s could be matches or surpassed easily by many in mental toughness and speed as you seem to think.

    Nadal gets crushed since his game is more crushable, especialy on a hard court which is the only surface he has ever been crushed on really. It has nothing to do with lack of mental toughness. In fact almost the only way to beat Nadal is by crushing him, hence why he almost never loses on clay, and only loses on hard courts when he runs into guys who power right him and win by big margins normally.
     
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  37. dangalak

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    People who can hit the ball with the center of the racquet consistently, even in awkward situations.
     
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    you speak the truth
     
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  39. World Beater

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    Nalbandian has had far more matches where he cannot hit the ball into the court from either his fh or bh.

    That says far more about his ballstriking ability compared to federer than some occasional shanking.

    They both have been equally impressive in their best matches.

    Federer more so on the fh...nalbandian on the bh. But fed has the variety with the slice.
     
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    sigh

    I SAID HITTING THE BALL WITH THE CENTER OF YOUR RACQUET

    Missing the court doesn't mean you can't strike the ball. Hantuchova is one of the cleanest strikers of the ball and she routinely makes over 50 UEs.

    Berdych for example is also a better striker of the ball than Federer. He also makes lots of errors. Agassi. Safin. Baghdatis. Davydenko. THOSE guy strike the ball cleanly. Not Federer. Him and Nadal don't hit the ball that cleanly at all.
     
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  41. NadalAgassi

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    I am no Nalbandian fan and I find him comically overrated on this forum at times but I do agree with dangalak he is undoubtably one of the cleanest and overall best ball strikers of the last decade. As for compared to Federer, he is atleast as good of one I would say (even though overall he isnt half the player Federer turned out to be).
     
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  42. World Beater

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    ok, so your definition is

    clean = flat?
     
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    Federer. Absolutely ridiculous question. Talent does not exist in a vacuum. So because Nalbandian never fulfilled his potential he has infinity talent does he? Talent is not only impossible to define separate from dedication and hard work, but overrated on these boards, and achievement is underrated.

    Those suggesting Nadal and Federer do not strike the ball cleanly know nothing about tennis. Literally nothing. Your opinions are discounted.
     
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  44. dangalak

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    Well these days you need to be a ridiculously clean hitter to be able to hit flat.

    But Nalbandian doesn't hit that flat, he can come up with spin as well. Similar with Haas. On the women's side, Seles struck the ball really cleanly, but hit with alot of spin.

    It's basically one way of being able to hit shots, most guys would be afraid of. Yeah, I know Federer can do that too, but not because his hitting is really clean.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XOBP3N1ejc

    Watch the first point even and see the difference between their shots. That is what is talked about.
     
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    :lol:

    If you do not think talent is important, why did you pollute this thread with your presence?

    Nalbandian is by far one of the biggest talents in this sport. Cry about it.
     
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    Clean = sweetspot or close.
     
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    Federer at every age was more talented than Nalbandian. When they were younger they split their two most important matches, but Federer won 2 big tourmanents, but Bandy just 1. As they got older Federer continued to be the bigger talent. He could beat better players than Nalbandian.

    Nalbandian whilst being a fantastic ball striker is vastly overrated as a player. He was never as good as Roddick, Hewitt or Safin. Coria was better on clay and Davydenko was his equal.

    Federer, Safin and Agassi are the three most talented players for me. Stich and Sampras make up the top 5. In my time the last 22 years.
     
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  48. NadalAgassi

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    Nalbandian is definitely overrated on this board. You are right he is not as good a player as Roddick, Hewitt, or Safin. Even Coria owned him when they played, and not just on clay.

    In terms of natural talent, which he didnt fulfill, he might be more talented than Roddick and Hewitt, but by nowhere near as much as some people seem to think, and up with Federer or Safin in overall talent, not even close.
     
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  49. Nathaniel_Near

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    Are you implying that serving and talent are unrelated or that the ability to serve well is not a tennis specific talent/ability...
     
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    Great post.
     
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