Interesting thread: what if the Big Three retained their peak level of tennis throughout their entire career without any decline?

Just like the title suggests, what if the Big Three, once reaching their peak level, never declined further and perfectly maintained that level? I know that this seems impossible, but well, that is why I talk about it in those hypothetical threads.

Now, one rule here is that only ONE of the Big 3 is allowed to do this at a time, meaning that if one member miraculously sustains their peak level the whole time, the other two do not and their careers follow the same trajectory as they did in the original timeline. This means that I will come up with 3 alternate timelines here.

Federer reached his peak in 2006, Nadal in 2010 and Djokovic in 2011.
We will only be looking at how their potential Grand Slam results would turn out over the course of their career if they sustained their peak level until the end. Also, their tournament-exclusive peak forms will not be taken into account and only their overall year-best form will be considered, so for example, we cannot use 2015 Djokovic for Wimbledon, because while he did play better at Wimbledon specifically in 2015 than in 2011, his OVERALL level was higher in 2011 across the four Slams.

In this thread though, I will only cover Roger Federer for the sake of length, as I do not want to write a whole essay on this matter.

After 2006, Federer never declines, while Nadal and Djokovic follow their normal career:

AO 2007 - Wins
RG 2007 - loses to Nadal
WB 2007 - Wins
USO 2007 - Wins

AO 2008 - loses to Djokovic, but in a close match
RG 2008 - loses to Nadal, but puts up a better fight
WB 2008 - Wins
USO 2008 - Wins

AO 2009 - loses to Nadal, but the 5th set is much closer than just 6-2
RG 2009 - Wins
WB 2009 - Wins
USO 2009 - Wins

AO 2010 - Wins
RG 2010 - loses to Nadal
WB 2010 - Wins
USO 2010 - loses to Nadal

AO 2011 - loses to Djokovic, but puts up a better fight
RG 2011 - loses to Nadal, but puts up a better fight
WB 2011 - Wins
USO 2011 - loses to Nadal in the final, because Djokovic would have taken the gas out of him in the semis, and also prime Nadal is a very bad match-up for Fed

AO 2012 - loses to Nadal, but puts up a better fight
RG 2012 - loses to Djokovic, but puts up a better fight
WB 2012 - Wins
USO 2012 - Wins

AO 2013 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2013 - loses to Nadal
WB 2013 - Wins
USO 2013 - loses to Nadal

AO 2014 - Toss-up, but he likely loses to Wawrinka
RG 2014 - Wins
WB 2014 - Wins
USO 2014 - loses to Cilic, but puts up a better fight

AO 2015 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2015 - loses to Wawrinka, but puts up a better right
WB 2015 - Wins
USO 2015 - Wins

AO 2016 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2016 - Toss-up, but he likely loses to Djokovic
WB 2016 - Wins
USO 2016 - Wins

AO 2017 - Wins
RG 2017 - loses to Nadal
WB 2017 - Wins
USO 2017 - Wins

AO 2018 - Wins
RG 2018 - loses to Nadal
WB 2018 - Wins
USO 2018 - Wins

AO 2019 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2019 - loses to Nadal
WB 2019 - Wins
USO 2019 - Wins

AO 2020 - Wins
RG 2020 - loses to Nadal
WB 2020 - cancelled due to COVID
USO 2020 - Wins

AO 2021 - Toss-up, but likely loses to Djokovic
RG 2021 - Wins
WB 2021 - Wins
USO 2021 - Wins

AO 2022 - Wins
RG 2022 - Wins
WB 2022 - Wins
USO 2022 - Wins

Then, he retires. Remember that I said he maintains this level "until the end", and Roger retired in 2022 September, so this is the end of his magic.
Overall:
8 AO: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2010, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2022
4 RG: 2009, 2014, 2021, 2022
19 WB: 2003-2019, 2021, 2022
15 USO: 2004-2009, 2012, 2015-2022

Total count: 46 Slams

What do you guys think? Do you agree?
 

BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
He reaches at every event the peak he had that particular year? For instance, you said Federer peaked in 2006, but at the AO he was definitely better in 2007. His 2006 AO form wouldn't have won that many titles once Djokovic was around and Nadal improved outside clay. His 2007 form which has likely his best there would have been much more successful. Same goes for Nadal at the AO in 2010 compared to 2009 or 2012. Djokovic did kinda peak more overall in general in 2011, although his Wimbledon 2015 was better and Roland Garros 2013 or 2016, but the margin is smaller.
 
He reaches at every event the peak he had that particular year? For instance, you said Federer peaked in 2006, but at the AO he was definitely better in 2007. His 2006 AO form wouldn't have won that many titles once Djokovic was around and Nadal improved outside clay. His 2007 form which has likely his best there would have been much more successful. Same goes for Nadal at the AO in 2010 compared to 2009 or 2012. Djokovic did kinda peak more overall in general in 2011, although his Wimbledon 2015 was better and Roland Garros 2013 or 2016, but the margin is smaller.
Which ones do you think he would have lost?
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Just like the title suggests, what if the Big Three, once reaching their peak level, never declined further and perfectly maintained that level? I know that this seems impossible, but well, that is why I talk about it in those hypothetical threads.

Now, one rule here is that only ONE of the Big 3 is allowed to do this at a time, meaning that if one member miraculously sustains their peak level the whole time, the other two do not and their careers follow the same trajectory as they did in the original timeline. This means that I will come up with 3 alternate timelines here.

Federer reached his peak in 2006, Nadal in 2010 and Djokovic in 2011.
We will only be looking at how their potential Grand Slam results would turn out over the course of their career if they sustained their peak level until the end. Also, their tournament-exclusive peak forms will not be taken into account and only their overall year-best form will be considered, so for example, we cannot use 2015 Djokovic for Wimbledon, because while he did play better at Wimbledon specifically in 2015 than in 2011, his OVERALL level was higher in 2011 across the four Slams.

In this thread though, I will only cover Roger Federer for the sake of length, as I do not want to write a whole essay on this matter.

After 2006, Federer never declines, while Nadal and Djokovic follow their normal career:

AO 2007 - Wins
RG 2007 - loses to Nadal
WB 2007 - Wins
USO 2007 - Wins

AO 2008 - loses to Djokovic, but in a close match
RG 2008 - loses to Nadal, but puts up a better fight
WB 2008 - Wins
USO 2008 - Wins

AO 2009 - loses to Nadal, but the 5th set is much closer than just 6-2
RG 2009 - Wins
WB 2009 - Wins
USO 2009 - Wins

AO 2010 - Wins
RG 2010 - loses to Nadal
WB 2010 - Wins
USO 2010 - loses to Nadal

AO 2011 - loses to Djokovic, but puts up a better fight
RG 2011 - loses to Nadal, but puts up a better fight
WB 2011 - Wins
USO 2011 - loses to Nadal in the final, because Djokovic would have taken the gas out of him in the semis, and also prime Nadal is a very bad match-up for Fed

AO 2012 - loses to Nadal, but puts up a better fight
RG 2012 - loses to Djokovic, but puts up a better fight
WB 2012 - Wins
USO 2012 - Wins

AO 2013 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2013 - loses to Nadal
WB 2013 - Wins
USO 2013 - loses to Nadal

AO 2014 - Toss-up, but he likely loses to Wawrinka
RG 2014 - Wins
WB 2014 - Wins
USO 2014 - loses to Cilic, but puts up a better fight

AO 2015 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2015 - loses to Wawrinka, but puts up a better right
WB 2015 - Wins
USO 2015 - Wins

AO 2016 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2016 - Toss-up, but he likely loses to Djokovic
WB 2016 - Wins
USO 2016 - Wins

AO 2017 - Wins
RG 2017 - loses to Nadal
WB 2017 - Wins
USO 2017 - Wins

AO 2018 - Wins
RG 2018 - loses to Nadal
WB 2018 - Wins
USO 2018 - Wins

AO 2019 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2019 - loses to Nadal
WB 2019 - Wins
USO 2019 - Wins

AO 2020 - Wins
RG 2020 - loses to Nadal
WB 2020 - cancelled due to COVID
USO 2020 - Wins

AO 2021 - Toss-up, but likely loses to Djokovic
RG 2021 - Wins
WB 2021 - Wins
USO 2021 - Wins

AO 2022 - Wins
RG 2022 - Wins
WB 2022 - Wins
USO 2022 - Wins

Then, he retires. Remember that I said he maintains this level "until the end", and Roger retired in 2022 September, so this is the end of his magic.
Overall:
8 AO: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2010, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2022
4 RG: 2009, 2014, 2021, 2022
19 WB: 2003-2019, 2021, 2022
15 USO: 2004-2009, 2012, 2015-2022

Total count: 46 Slams

What do you guys think? Do you agree?
With losses to Cilic and Stan in there, I think 46 might be a little on low side.
 

itrium84

Hall of Fame
Just like the title suggests, what if the Big Three, once reaching their peak level, never declined further and perfectly maintained that level? I know that this seems impossible, but well, that is why I talk about it in those hypothetical threads.

Now, one rule here is that only ONE of the Big 3 is allowed to do this at a time, meaning that if one member miraculously sustains their peak level the whole time, the other two do not and their careers follow the same trajectory as they did in the original timeline. This means that I will come up with 3 alternate timelines here.

Federer reached his peak in 2006, Nadal in 2010 and Djokovic in 2011.
We will only be looking at how their potential Grand Slam results would turn out over the course of their career if they sustained their peak level until the end. Also, their tournament-exclusive peak forms will not be taken into account and only their overall year-best form will be considered, so for example, we cannot use 2015 Djokovic for Wimbledon, because while he did play better at Wimbledon specifically in 2015 than in 2011, his OVERALL level was higher in 2011 across the four Slams.

In this thread though, I will only cover Roger Federer for the sake of length, as I do not want to write a whole essay on this matter.

After 2006, Federer never declines, while Nadal and Djokovic follow their normal career:

AO 2007 - Wins
RG 2007 - loses to Nadal
WB 2007 - Wins
USO 2007 - Wins

AO 2008 - loses to Djokovic, but in a close match
RG 2008 - loses to Nadal, but puts up a better fight
WB 2008 - Wins
USO 2008 - Wins

AO 2009 - loses to Nadal, but the 5th set is much closer than just 6-2
RG 2009 - Wins
WB 2009 - Wins
USO 2009 - Wins

AO 2010 - Wins
RG 2010 - loses to Nadal
WB 2010 - Wins
USO 2010 - loses to Nadal

AO 2011 - loses to Djokovic, but puts up a better fight
RG 2011 - loses to Nadal, but puts up a better fight
WB 2011 - Wins
USO 2011 - loses to Nadal in the final, because Djokovic would have taken the gas out of him in the semis, and also prime Nadal is a very bad match-up for Fed

AO 2012 - loses to Nadal, but puts up a better fight
RG 2012 - loses to Djokovic, but puts up a better fight
WB 2012 - Wins
USO 2012 - Wins

AO 2013 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2013 - loses to Nadal
WB 2013 - Wins
USO 2013 - loses to Nadal

AO 2014 - Toss-up, but he likely loses to Wawrinka
RG 2014 - Wins
WB 2014 - Wins
USO 2014 - loses to Cilic, but puts up a better fight

AO 2015 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2015 - loses to Wawrinka, but puts up a better right
WB 2015 - Wins
USO 2015 - Wins

AO 2016 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2016 - Toss-up, but he likely loses to Djokovic
WB 2016 - Wins
USO 2016 - Wins

AO 2017 - Wins
RG 2017 - loses to Nadal
WB 2017 - Wins
USO 2017 - Wins

AO 2018 - Wins
RG 2018 - loses to Nadal
WB 2018 - Wins
USO 2018 - Wins

AO 2019 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2019 - loses to Nadal
WB 2019 - Wins
USO 2019 - Wins

AO 2020 - Wins
RG 2020 - loses to Nadal
WB 2020 - cancelled due to COVID
USO 2020 - Wins

AO 2021 - Toss-up, but likely loses to Djokovic
RG 2021 - Wins
WB 2021 - Wins
USO 2021 - Wins

AO 2022 - Wins
RG 2022 - Wins
WB 2022 - Wins
USO 2022 - Wins

Then, he retires. Remember that I said he maintains this level "until the end", and Roger retired in 2022 September, so this is the end of his magic.
Overall:
8 AO: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2010, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2022
4 RG: 2009, 2014, 2021, 2022
19 WB: 2003-2019, 2021, 2022
15 USO: 2004-2009, 2012, 2015-2022

Total count: 46 Slams

What do you guys think? Do you agree?
From hypothetical Nadal perspective, these are some rookie numbers. 46!? Pathetic.
 

jondice

Semi-Pro
I think you cracked to the code!

All Fed had to do to be the GOAT over Rafa and Novak was never, ever age. WHY DIDN'T HE THINK OF THAT??
 

Razer

Legend
Such a brainless thread..... if players retain their peak always, it means they are not ageing and so they would never retire....... come up with better hypotheticals than this.....your thread is what an 8 year old would ask his parents ...
 

Spin Diesel

Hall of Fame
I don‘t get, why you don‘t like the thread, even though the title tells it‘s an „interesting thread“
 

Devin

Semi-Pro
This isn't how peaks work. If Federer played at 2006 Wimbledon level in every Wimbledon tournament, of course he'd have tons of extra titles. But it doesn't work that way.

Highest level reached in tournament from big 3:

AO: 2007 Federer for SF/F. 2005 Federer for early rounds. 2011 Djokovic may arguably be the best from start to finish though. IIRC, Federer dropped serve more than you'd think in some of those 2007 matches, but he was nearly unplayable the last two matches of the tournament (the 4R against Djokovic was also very good).

IW: 2005 Federer overall. No sets dropped and good final.
2006 Federer started out slow in the final, and even though he only dropped serve twice in 2004 (IIRC), he did lose a set in the SF and Henman was bad at IW.

Miami: Idk, you could probably make an argument for several different years for Djokovic. Several years he didn't drop a set. Worth mentioning that he won against Nadal in 2011 and Nadal actually played really well in that match (in contrast to other matches where he wasn't up to 2010 form).

MC: The Nadal. Pick something from 2007, 2008, 2010, 2012, I guess.

Rome: The Nadal. Pick a good year. 2009, 2012, maybe. Pick one of them.

Hamburg/Madrid: Nadal. Honorable mention to 2007 Federer (just for the final bagel) and 2005 Federer (overall tournament in Hamburg).

RG: The Nadal in 2008.

Wimbledon: 2003 Federer for SF/F, followed by 2005 Federer for SF/F. 2006 Wimbledon from start to finish.

Canada: Djokovic, probably 2012 was his best level at least in the later stages.

Cincy: 2012 Federer was the best from start to finish IMO. Didn't even lose serve IIRC.

USO: 2006 Federer from start to finish. 2004 Federer for the final. SF/F between 2004 and 2006 are about the same. 2006 Federer would be the best choice on the slow USO court or against The Nadal though.

Madrid/Shanghai: 2006 Federer or 2015 Djokovic.

Paris: I'll go with Djokovic 2014 here.

WTF: 2004 Federer (overall and for SF/F, but 2003 final is right up there).

----

Federer: 2-3 slams, 2-4 Masters, 1 WTF
Nadal: 1 slam, 2-3 Masters
Djokovic: 0-1 slams, 3-4 Masters

So yeah, if they're all at their peak, expect something like this.
 

Razer

Legend
This isn't how peaks work. If Federer played at 2006 Wimbledon level in every Wimbledon tournament, of course he'd have tons of extra titles. But it doesn't work that way.

Highest level reached in tournament from big 3:

AO: 2007 Federer for SF/F. 2005 Federer for early rounds. 2011 Djokovic may arguably be the best from start to finish though. IIRC, Federer dropped serve more than you'd think in some of those 2007 matches, but he was nearly unplayable the last two matches of the tournament (the 4R against Djokovic was also very good).

IW: 2005 Federer overall. No sets dropped and good final.
2006 Federer started out slow in the final, and even though he only dropped serve twice in 2004 (IIRC), he did lose a set in the SF and Henman was bad at IW.

Miami: Idk, you could probably make an argument for several different years for Djokovic. Several years he didn't drop a set. Worth mentioning that he won against Nadal in 2011 and Nadal actually played really well in that match (in contrast to other matches where he wasn't up to 2010 form).

MC: The Nadal. Pick something from 2007, 2008, 2010, 2012, I guess.

Rome: The Nadal. Pick a good year. 2009, 2012, maybe. Pick one of them.

Hamburg/Madrid: Nadal. Honorable mention to 2007 Federer (just for the final bagel) and 2005 Federer (overall tournament in Hamburg).

RG: The Nadal in 2008.

Wimbledon: 2003 Federer for SF/F, followed by 2005 Federer for SF/F. 2006 Wimbledon from start to finish.

Canada: Djokovic, probably 2012 was his best level at least in the later stages.

Cincy: 2012 Federer was the best from start to finish IMO. Didn't even lose serve IIRC.

USO: 2006 Federer from start to finish. 2004 Federer for the final. SF/F between 2004 and 2006 are about the same. 2006 Federer would be the best choice on the slow USO court or against The Nadal though.

Madrid/Shanghai: 2006 Federer or 2015 Djokovic.

Paris: I'll go with Djokovic 2014 here.

WTF: 2004 Federer (overall and for SF/F, but 2003 final is right up there).

----

Federer: 2-3 slams, 2-4 Masters, 1 WTF
Nadal: 1 slam, 2-3 Masters
Djokovic: 0-1 slams, 3-4 Masters

So yeah, if they're all at their peak, expect something like this.

You take a lot of effort on Peak-Prime-Post Prime analysis everywhere, do you even enjoy tennis or are you still doing a PHD on peaks and primes ?

These ridiculous conclusions which you come on Djokovic in every thred where you declare him getting less slams than Federer in your hypotheticals are all laughable, makes me wonder whether you actually enjoyed the tennis in the last 15 years or you just dreamt of 2007 federer at AO or 2005 federer or 2004 federer etc etc ??? Jeez ... thats would be so miserable, no ? Please live in the present instead of dreaming of peaks and primes all day.
 

Devin

Semi-Pro
You take a lot of effort on Peak-Prime-Post Prime analysis everywhere, do you even enjoy tennis or are you still doing a PHD on peaks and primes ?

These ridiculous conclusions which you come on Djokovic in every thred where you declare him getting less slams than Federer in your hypotheticals are all laughable, makes me wonder whether you actually enjoyed the tennis in the last 15 years or you just dreamt of 2007 federer at AO or 2005 federer or 2004 federer etc etc ??? Jeez ... thats would be so miserable, no ? Please live in the present instead of dreaming of peaks and primes all day.
Enjoying tennis now with sloths like Zverev and ThieMUG routinely making slam finals and choking until it's time to go home from school? Kyrgios and Berretini finding their way into a Wimbledon final? PETE would be embarrassed to play in this current WEAK era. At least he actually had challenges and depth at his pet slam. What did Novak have? One trick ponies that he could press the autopilot button on? ROFLMAO
 

Razer

Legend
. What did Novak have? One trick ponies that he could press the autopilot button on? ROFLMAO

Novak reduced Federer to a choker who could not even convert a MP on various occasions, so he definitely did have some qualities in him, no?
Didn't you feel sad and more importantly embarrassed when Federer again and again failed to Nadal since the beginning and then choked in weird ways to Novak ?

As great as Federer's game was, he was mentally weak and Pete would have reduced Federer to a mess with that mentality as well. Greatness is game is not everything in life, whats between our ears also plays a role, under pressure how we behave defines what kind of a man we are. Sports is all about heart and rising to adversity and overcoming it, it is not about hitting trick shots & peaks-primes.

Federer gave a lot of pain when he lost so many matches to Nadal and later Djokovic, eulogizing him under peak-prime was good for a while but now ? when all records are broken? Jeez,.... it is literally living in the past now. Zverev/Berretini/Ruud etc etc are all losers and mugs, no doubt there, but this is reality, we have to accept this as a part of evolution of tennis and life.... if we dont like what we are seeing then we will have to stop following the game altogether.
 

RS

Bionic Poster
Just like the title suggests, what if the Big Three, once reaching their peak level, never declined further and perfectly maintained that level? I know that this seems impossible, but well, that is why I talk about it in those hypothetical threads.

Now, one rule here is that only ONE of the Big 3 is allowed to do this at a time, meaning that if one member miraculously sustains their peak level the whole time, the other two do not and their careers follow the same trajectory as they did in the original timeline. This means that I will come up with 3 alternate timelines here.

Federer reached his peak in 2006, Nadal in 2010 and Djokovic in 2011.
We will only be looking at how their potential Grand Slam results would turn out over the course of their career if they sustained their peak level until the end. Also, their tournament-exclusive peak forms will not be taken into account and only their overall year-best form will be considered, so for example, we cannot use 2015 Djokovic for Wimbledon, because while he did play better at Wimbledon specifically in 2015 than in 2011, his OVERALL level was higher in 2011 across the four Slams.

In this thread though, I will only cover Roger Federer for the sake of length, as I do not want to write a whole essay on this matter.

After 2006, Federer never declines, while Nadal and Djokovic follow their normal career:

AO 2007 - Wins
RG 2007 - loses to Nadal
WB 2007 - Wins
USO 2007 - Wins

AO 2008 - loses to Djokovic, but in a close match
RG 2008 - loses to Nadal, but puts up a better fight
WB 2008 - Wins
USO 2008 - Wins

AO 2009 - loses to Nadal, but the 5th set is much closer than just 6-2
RG 2009 - Wins
WB 2009 - Wins
USO 2009 - Wins

AO 2010 - Wins
RG 2010 - loses to Nadal
WB 2010 - Wins
USO 2010 - loses to Nadal

AO 2011 - loses to Djokovic, but puts up a better fight
RG 2011 - loses to Nadal, but puts up a better fight
WB 2011 - Wins
USO 2011 - loses to Nadal in the final, because Djokovic would have taken the gas out of him in the semis, and also prime Nadal is a very bad match-up for Fed

AO 2012 - loses to Nadal, but puts up a better fight
RG 2012 - loses to Djokovic, but puts up a better fight
WB 2012 - Wins
USO 2012 - Wins

AO 2013 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2013 - loses to Nadal
WB 2013 - Wins
USO 2013 - loses to Nadal

AO 2014 - Toss-up, but he likely loses to Wawrinka
RG 2014 - Wins
WB 2014 - Wins
USO 2014 - loses to Cilic, but puts up a better fight

AO 2015 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2015 - loses to Wawrinka, but puts up a better right
WB 2015 - Wins
USO 2015 - Wins

AO 2016 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2016 - Toss-up, but he likely loses to Djokovic
WB 2016 - Wins
USO 2016 - Wins

AO 2017 - Wins
RG 2017 - loses to Nadal
WB 2017 - Wins
USO 2017 - Wins

AO 2018 - Wins
RG 2018 - loses to Nadal
WB 2018 - Wins
USO 2018 - Wins

AO 2019 - loses to Djokovic
RG 2019 - loses to Nadal
WB 2019 - Wins
USO 2019 - Wins

AO 2020 - Wins
RG 2020 - loses to Nadal
WB 2020 - cancelled due to COVID
USO 2020 - Wins

AO 2021 - Toss-up, but likely loses to Djokovic
RG 2021 - Wins
WB 2021 - Wins
USO 2021 - Wins

AO 2022 - Wins
RG 2022 - Wins
WB 2022 - Wins
USO 2022 - Wins

Then, he retires. Remember that I said he maintains this level "until the end", and Roger retired in 2022 September, so this is the end of his magic.
Overall:
8 AO: 2004, 2006, 2007, 2010, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2022
4 RG: 2009, 2014, 2021, 2022
19 WB: 2003-2019, 2021, 2022
15 USO: 2004-2009, 2012, 2015-2022

Total count: 46 Slams

What do you guys think? Do you agree?
Let me ask one for you.

What if all players could not get injured how many slams in this senario?
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Unisteresting thread. Hypothetical peak Federer is indestructible (as opposed to real-life peak Federer).
 
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