Hi, The 7 to 1 swing path for a kick serve looks really steep. Maybe I gotta work on my flexibility. lol. To me it looks like the swing path is (left to right - ACROSS the ball) (not as much UP) as people advocate. It looks like 8 to 2 at best. Or is this just an illusion?? Look at Figure 1 in the below link. (8 to 2?) http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/kickserve.php Videos below... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8RGuB1Wj_E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uz1SdKCl2Q&feature=related Sorry if this has been asked before but I couldn't find anything on this.