Is Access the new Ownership?

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  1. chrischris

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    Are you comfortable with owning things or do you feel better with having access to them?

    Spotify / YouTube etc show we are increasingly looking for access and sharing.. is this a new growing trend ?
     
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    I don't think the two can be compared. Ownership is a security. For me it's a bit blurry what access is. An illusion of ownership?
     
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    It's a response to urbanization and crowding. In Tokyo you can rent a dog for the afternoon and walk it in the park, as few people have room to own one. In NYC not only bikes but now cars can be rented by the hour as there is little room for them in most peoples lives. None of these trends is seen in suburban or rural areas, as there is no necessity.
     
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  4. sureshs

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    I don't feel comfortable owning things. The only thing I like to own is a home because in old age, renting is such a problem. If I could get guaranteed renting at reasonable prices in old age, I would not even care about a home.

    But I do prefer to own my tennis rackets. I don't let others touch them.
     
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    Be careful with both! Owning, of course, is better since it offers security and in many cases, you can recoup the cost. But ownership's downside is a garage/basement full of old stuff you still lug around (remember Thoreau?).

    "Access" is dicey because usually there's a BIG loss of control. We're suckers if we think this is, in simpliciter, any kind of improvement.
     
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    Access is the internet for example.
     
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  7. chrischris

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    Could ownership be an illusion of security?
     
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    Time-sharing (and thus access) an island villa in the Maldives is better than owning it. However, everyone must own their own house or flat; talking about ''real'' estate.
     
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    Could security be an illusion of access? Safety?
     
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  11. sureshs

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    Is there an access model which is an alternative to marriage?
     
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    There sure is and you should try it.
    you would like it:)
     
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    I like to own money, not things
     
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    Owning timepieces and Johannes Vermeer paintings that appreciates in value over time is like real estate (or better).
     
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    I like Microsoft Access as a desktop database.
     
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    Owning things may help us get access to the things we want and desire.


    Like having a SL 280 may get you access to a babe.. but not own her
     
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    Of course there are certain things that we own that kind of own us, and disallow us to have complete control over them, acting as a bit of a liability. For instance, we have an pretty extensive art glass collection, worth a nice bit, that really can't be displayed. It's kept wrapped up. If you own, let's say, an historical document signed by George Washington, you're essentially a curator or keeper, for this generation at least, before it gets passed on. It's interesting to note that there are a good many valuable things that are better kept in private hands than public institutions, since the owner is more motivated to keep them in good shape and may have more resources to do so.

    I think that just because the computer industry buzzes about "access" doesn't really mean we should take it seriously as the next big thing. The computer industry's been wrong about many ostensible trends.
     
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    Wouldnt it be fair to say the younger generation is more into access and sharing than the older?
    look at the sharing in music ,information , films and even room or apts ..
    Spotify ,Youtube , Couch surfing and that other thing RbnB or what its called...

    For them access seems key.
     
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    I don't think that is a conscious choice for access on their part. I think it stems from an impatience to experience everything media is bombarding them with from a young age.
     
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    Maybe not a 'conscious' choice but still a matter of fact and happening.

    Why should it be stemming from an impatience to experience everything media offers them ? sounds an interesting idea but can you explain and provide some evidence or not?
     
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    Obviously young people haven't worked long enough to be able to own things they could find alternative access to. For example, instead of buying I-tunes, they download mp3s. Instead of buying DVDs, they download the films. Instead of watching something on a paid channel, they watch it on a stream. Instead of buying a phone, they buy the subscription, etc.
     
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    Nor will most they fear.
    So what is at hand is the result of not having an income for leasure items.
    And the same is happening to news and info. Hence news paper sales etc going down ward.
     
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    Access is the new form of digital landlordship and we are the renters without rights.
     
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    The answer to this depends on what it is you're trying to make use of. I own a car because there is no comparably inexpensive, easily accessed public transportation option where I'm currently living. With something like Youtube, there isn't a reason to own any of the content unless you need to alter it for some purpose. With Spotify, it's a hybrid. I own the tracks that I really enjoy and know that I'll enjoy them many years from now, but the tracks I simply "like" I'm willing to stream with no plans to own.
     
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    I used to have access to a number of wonderful things. Not cementing my goals in ownership of any has given me access to other wonderful things. Ownership is an anchor.

    That is good if you like anchors.
     
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    I think it's fair to say that the younger generation is more into the technology which affords the benefits of access. "Sharing", in the p2p or multi-player gaming sense, goes along with this.

    The "rooms or apts" remains as it has been for years, for the most part.

    This, of course. Sometimes chrischris misses the obviouslyobvious.

    Nor will most they fear? Is this Shakespeare? And, you think newspaper sales are going down because people can't afford to buy a newspaper anymore? :lol:

    Another big, progressive, vacuous thinker.

    Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...
     
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    I think you are a bit confused. Once you download mp3 files or movie files, you own the content in them. It is no different than owning a physical cd or dvd.

    Access of these items would be streaming movies on netflix or streaming music on spotify.
     
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  28. Russeljones

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    You are confused. The download does not equal ownership when payment for intellectual property is outstanding (not intended either).
     
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    If I have an mp3 file of a song that I can play on my computer or on my ipod, I own it. Payment has nothing to do with it.
     
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    ^^^^This^^^^
     
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    You have access to it until the owner of the rights to it receives just recompense.
     
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    You keep saying the same thing and it is still just as wrong.

    Tell me this: if someone steals a cd from a store, do they own it?
     
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    Bolded part is troubling. What part of transfer of ownership confuses you so?
     
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    I still like having my favourite albums and movies in physical form,even though I know how easy it is to access them online,it just never feels as satisfying...
     
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    Thats understandable i guess if the time in which they were made the options were limited.

    Or if one feels one wants to support the artist /band in order to get more access to them = keep them 'alive' and productive.
    Provided the record company doesnt rip them off completely.
     
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    Which will never happen..... Unfortunately for the artist
     
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    Good for autographs to enhance its future potential resale value.
     
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    No..the basic concept of ownership has nothing to do with compensation. It has to do with physically possessing something without any restriction/limitation to the extent of possession.

    If you want to consider compensation as the standard for ownership, it's simply not correct. When you rent/ease an apartment, you are compensating your landlord for access (usage) but you don't own that apartment.

    As for the mp3, you can gain possession of it through what I'll call white market, black market or gray market means. Regardless of which market you obtained it through, you own the mp3 file.
     
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  39. jhhachamp

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    Good post.
     
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    Are you trying to wing contractual law? You seem to be confusing access to an asset with acquiring the asset free of charge. Access is by no definition a system whereby you gain something for free. Rent/lease entail payment, as per your example.

    Regardless of your imaginary market colour definitions, you don't own anything you haven't paid for or otherwise acquired in a legal manner.
     
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  41. jhhachamp

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    I disagree unless we are talking about something such as a home or car that requires documentation in order to legally own it.
     
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  42. Gemini

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    I'm pretty sure you're the confused one. In your very first post of the thread you claimed to be blurry on what access is..and here you are trying to tell the rest of us what it is.

    My brother gave me his old mountain bike...no exchange of funds and no conditions to take possesion of it. I own that bike...

    As for my "imaginary" market color definitions (which by the way I never defined, but obviously you know what I mean because you're referencing them as definitions), you'll hear the same terms in any economics class.
     
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    I have foresaken ownership for access. A sign on the front door of my house says "You are welcome to sleep here. Help yourself to something in the refrigerator, but the tapioca is MINE"....okay, so not entirely.
     
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  44. Russeljones

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    You are deliberately misconstruing what I said. I wasn't aware at the time the question was a literal one. You've shown that there are still people that don't understand it, however.
     
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