Is Andre Agassi the worst volleyer who won any tour title?

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  1. RedGinseng

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    I became an Agassi fan in the late 80s and He is still my favorite player. He came to my country Korea and advanced to the final of Kal cup or something like that in the late 80s, if I'm correct. I was about 10 or 11 years old at that time and impressed by his groundies and unorthodox look for a tennis player. At that time his game was televised here and he caught attention of many Korean tennis fans with his fierce ground strokes. His name Agassi means a young woman in Korean so it's easy for Koreans to remember him. Koreans kind of giggle when they say his name.

    With that being said. What I want to know is that is Agassi the worst volleyer who's ever won more than one ATP tour title? Every time he comes to the net, it seems like he is very uncomfortable. He is bad at hitting an overhead too. I saw him hitting an overhead and the ball flew directly to the crowd. Is there any pro player who volleys worse than Agassi?
     
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  2. Defcon

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    Someone is going to say Roddick very soon ;)

    And I'm not going to disagree too much.

    But Agassi has a great overhead, make no mistake. Its just that he's a pure baseliner and doesn't really need to volley or hit overheads from a defensive position very often.
     
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  3. bravestennis

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    so roddick can't get it done one the baseline? I think i've seen hit volley once this year. I think he made it too. Roddick tries alot more and misses more. I'd say agassi is worse, in a few years maybe we may never talk about roddicks volly sucking.
     
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  4. Hal

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    Ok, I'll go there. Roddick's forehand volley has to be the worst. He tries to put touch slice on it, but ends up swinging way too much. He's better when he doesn't have time to hit it, and just reacts to the ball.
     
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  5. RedGinseng

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    it's really hard to watch tennis matches these days because I got no cable. I've seen some clips of Roddick matches on the net but I don't think I've seen him volleying. I've seen him htting big serves and groundies though. Anyway if he is a worse volleyer than Agassi, then I see how worse he is :wink:
     
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  6. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    Roddick's forehand volley is worse, but Agassi is worse over all. All agassi can do is just do deflect short vollies for drop volley winners because the guy is so far away. Remember in IW against Federer, when he had that floater volley, Federer was off the court, and Agassi just tried to tap it in when he could have blasted it. Fed runs it down and hits a big forehand and even though he's on the full sprint but Agassi doesn't think to cover the line, pops it up, Fed wins the point.
     
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  7. Feña14

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    Roddick's actually WON a title??!! :oops:
     
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  8. Mikael

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    I'm sure there are like half a dozen current claycourters that have won titles and that are much worse volleyers than Roddick or Agassi...
     
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  9. Rickson

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    Agassi is an opportunist. Agassi volleys when he sees a good opportunity, but he won't make many approach shots. Agassi is definitely a better volleyer than Roddick percentagewise, but the truth is, he doesn't go for many volleys.
     
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  10. jun

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    I agree with Rickson. Agassi makes very very selective trip to the net. He's never going to the net just to put pressure on the other guy. He's going there ONLY IF he is going to get a sitter which he can block it away, OR if he's DRAWN to the net.

    So it kind of makes it hard to compare. Because Agassi is alway volleying balls above his waist where as Roddick is fis forced to hit low volleys here and there. But I think Agassi looks a tad more natural to me.

    I am somewhat surprised how Agassi never comes to net. He takes the ball so early, puts so much pressure on the other guy, quick hands, and sees the ball incredibly well.
     
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  11. jjames

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    borg and vilas werent great volleyers
     
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  12. VamosRafa

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    He may be, but he's won how many titles? [I'll let someone else check out atptennis.com for that stat.]

    And he just won his 800th singles match?

    So if he has done what he has without any volleying skills, well, that's pretty darn good. :wink:

    So Andy has a shot. He doesn't have to compete against Pete, the way Andre did, but he does have Federer.

    That's no easy challenge. But on certain surfaces, Andy will face it, and Andy has room to improve.

    Which just bring to mind a post from Jon Wertheim's column last week. I don't always have time to post this stuff, but this is appropriate here:


    Full Mailbag below:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/jon_wertheim/07/12/mailbag.0712/index.html


    So at least for all you students, you have an easy paper to be written for the fall.

    The cool thing is that you know what's happened in the past, and you can move forward.

    Should be a very interesting summer. 8)
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

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    Connors low forehand volley was woeful too.
     
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  14. jings

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    ...But I've yet to see anything to compare with Jimbo's running-to-the-net-double-fisted-slicing-put-away, taking the top hand off for effect right at the end .... marvellous stuff.

    (BTW I don't think we can ever fault Jimbo's forehand volley though, did you ever try it with one of those Wilson tea-saucers he used at the end of a pair of aluminium bar stool legs?)
     
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    Yeah true mate, but it also sucked with the famous pro staff as well. I'm not faulting Connors as a player, one of the best competitors ever. But god that forehand volley.......

    :)
     
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  16. Chanchai

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    Should we count Agassi's swinging volleys as part of his volleying arsenal?

    When it comes to conventional volleying, I think Agassi is pretty ugly. But he can hit those swinging volleys pretty well.

    About overheads, I don't know about the early 90s or late 80s... But when I see him now, I don't think I ever see him miss an overhead. He gets into position well, and if he has to take it after the bounce, he'll do it. I think he's very solid with the overhead, especially since I think he almost always does flat overheads (while topspin overheads seems to be the norm nowadays--or maybe I just watch Roddick too much).

    Roddick's volleys are very ugly when he has too much time to hit them. He's hit some good volleys in very clutch moments, but he's also netted volleys at clutch moments too. If we're talking conventional volleys, I think Roddick's volleys look more natural, but he clearly doesn't maximize his netgame because right now, there's way too much work that needs to be done. However, Roddick also sets up so many clearcut volley winner opportunities.

    Agassi's game doesn't really set such opportunities up, but his net rushes usually do put opponents out of rhythm and catch them off guard. But you can see that if the opponent gets Agassi to net, Agassi would like to go back to the baseline as soon as play dictates it's okay to do so. But at least he reads the play (as opposed to maybe a Clijsters being forced to net and immediately running back to the baseline ASAP).

    I think a lot of claycourters can actually volley. But they're not dealing with the type of balls they would deal with on grass or even hardcourt when it comes to being at the net. The point construction is definitely fairly different. But on the flipside, you have some of the big grasscourt players who I don't think can really "volley" but with a big serve they benefit from being able to have easier volleys on grass, but I imagine it could be so tough on clay.

    I guess my bias lies in watching people volley on hardcourt. You can see the players who truly want to play the net and actually deal with a good variety of situations that may or may not require netplay, but they play the net so well in such situations. And they set it up so well too.

    -Chanchai
     
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  17. devila

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    LMAO@delusional TV commentators who drool over Gilbert. It's good that Agassi dumped the overrated, bad-mouthing, attention-seeking sad sack.

    How does Roddick volley (and do anything else) when he's not taking tennis seriously? He's overweight and intentionally makes himself a laughing stock.
    Gilbert's not good in the long term.
    He likes eating crow too.
    Paul Annacone, even Sampras, can coach better!
     
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  18. Aoya

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    Roddick is anything but overweight.

    Gilbert brought Agassi to the top. His food preference doesn't mean jack crap.
     
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  19. VamosRafa

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    :lol: I assume, devila, that your name is a take-off on a name from a Disney cartoon character. :wink:

    Seriously, at least the delusional TV commentators try to sound like they know something about what they are talking about.

    That's better than being obvious about not knowing what you are talking about, IMO. :wink:
     
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  20. Kobble

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    I remember Arias saying that his main goal was to get the ball to the forehand volley when playing Ivanisevic, because you can draw some freebies. If he felt that Goran had the a shakey forehand volley, I can only imagine what he would say about Roddick and Agassi's.
     
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  21. mlee2

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    Goran wasn't exactly a great volleyer. I wouldn't even call him good either. He just came into net A LOT...which is something you're supposed to do when you have a great serve like that. His serve created so many weak returns that I suppose making a lot of putaway volleys classifies him as a great volleyer (according to some in this thread). There are tons of "baseliners" who I would consider as better volleyers than Goran.
     
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