Is any 4.5 man capable of beating any TOP 100 WTA (except Justine), with ease?

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  1. ionutzakis

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    I'm guessing yes. But did someone from this forum played and won against an actual TOP 100 WTA, and won... easily?

    EDIT: to rephrase the question a bit, are ALL 4.5 man capable of beating any TOP 100 WTA (except Justine), with ease?
     
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  2. power_play21

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    what? are you joking?

    I REALLY think people underestimate these women.

    theres a 14 year old girl who's a top junior where i live, and she can hang with the 5.0 club pro. IMAGINE A TOP 100 WOMEN IN THE WORLD. SHE CAN WOOP HIS SORRY BUT IN ONE SECOND.

    im sorry, but that is a myth on these boards that is trylu getting quite annoying.

    sure, some people say that they lose to college players. WERE TALKING 6.0 PLUS HERE.

    these women hit hard and good dude. have you ever watched dementieva live? she hits harder than any guy i personally know.

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  3. ionutzakis

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    Yes this does need a separate thread because I've read on these boards that a senior exdivision playes was toying with a B.J.KING which was no 1 at that moment, like baggeled her.

    And yes, numerous other posts keep on saying that any 5-5.5 player can beat any WTA ranked, so I took it a step further and went to the 4.5 level, no harm in that, is just a question, that's all, you don't have to put that retarded checklist everytime you don't like a thread, it's not like you are a moderator.
     
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  4. JonJon

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    What planet are you on? A semi amateur 4.5 weekend warrior would not be able to beat a top 100 WTA who has spent most of their lives living and breathing tennis.
     
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  5. Tennis-Chris

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    You're Joking, Right?

    You're Joking, Right? About five years ago I hit with a woman at my club who played #1 at University of Texas. At the time I played very competitively with an NTRP of 4.825 and I had my *** thoroughly handed to me. Her serve was consistently between 90 and 110 mph with a lot of movement. Groundstrokes had me pinned at the baseline and everything I hit across came back - sometimes with a little more pepper than I sent it over with. She had made it as high at 385 (if memory serves me right) on the WTA and although we were not keeping score my mental count was that the first set ended somewhere around 2-6. I held twice and took a handful of points off her service and only came close to breaking her once. The only caveat I will add is that I was about 38 years old at the time and she was about 28 - but age was not the difference.

    Don't underestimate how hard the women hit at a very competitive level. :mrgreen:
     
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  6. my_forehand

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    haha.HA!
    Only 1 or 2 of those options were actually relevant, so you could add that option, instead of wasting x'ing everything lol.
    Plus, the OP probably got confused with 4.5 and college players :-?
     
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  7. helloworld

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    Well, I used to hit with my friend who is in WTA tour a few times, and I'd say we're about even. I'm about 5.0 level(not sure cause my country doesn't have the rating) and she's ranked 500 something in WTA tour.
     
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    In the OP's defense, is he talking about a self-rated 4.5 or a computer-rated 4.5? I'm sure there are self-rated 4.5s that could easily beat WTA pros :)
     
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    +1. I watched her play in Sydney early 2006. I was sitting just 3 rows up from the court, her shots were unbelievably hard and consistent for even a guy of her size.
     
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  10. goober

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    Trolling?

    Top 100 WTA? Uh I would say no legitimate 4.5 male player could beat a top 100 WTA player or even come close.
     
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  11. Topaz

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    Quick and dirty answer...

    NO.
     
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    Nope, not likely.
     
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  13. javier sergio

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    if a 4.5 man beats any TOP 100WTA, he's not a 4.5 :)
     
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    I think the guys that are saying no could be wrong. I just witnessed a male college club player beating a top female college team player. I remember that Chris Evert's brother would always beat her. If you have been at a tournament with both male and female pros, you can clearly see the difference in ball speed and footspeed. Could every 4.5 male player from every region in the country beat every female on the WTA tour, no. It also depends on age. A 4.5 male player is like a 5.0-5.5 female player for the most part.
     
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  15. MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

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    Uhhh, I don't think a man on that level would even come close to taking a game, must less points unless Justine lets him.
     
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  16. slice bh compliment

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    No, not a 4.5. I mean, I suppose it's possible, but the girl would have to totally choke the match away.

    I'm a 5.0. Probably a 5.5 still, but I do not play tournaments anymore.

    I played a good level of college tennis and earned some points on the circuit. Even did some hitting and coaching for male and female tour players.

    I'm generalizing here, and this is all so frekaing subjective...........
    but trust me, I'd have a LOT of trouble with the top 100 WTA girls, and maybe the best of the college girls. I would lose. I know this because I'd beat them badly 10 years ago, and I've drilled and played with a few more recently. Nowadays, they move better, hit harder and pass pretty well (and I am a little older and slower). They have trouble with big serves (so I will hold serve usually). Big trouble with heavy top, slice backhands and generally a person willing to take the net. But man, they pass well on the run. They're tough as nails and they can run all day. Seriously.

    I hit with some tournament-playing 4.5s now. One is a teaching pro in his 40s and the other is a former Div II college player who is still pretty fit and not yet 30. I basically never lose to them. I do not see these guys getting sets off tour women. I really don't.

    Current open players, college players and up? Of course they'd beat the best women, but anything short of that, we're toast I think.

    Just my opinion, though. You cats can go call one of them up and see for yourself.

    Maria Elena Camerin is from Italy. He is ranked 100 on the WTA tour. Call her if you are a 4.5 or even a 5.0. And if you beat her and several others on your way up, call Amelie Mauresmo, who is ranked number 18. Do you see how ridiculous this is?

    BTW, if they do not return your call, it's not because they're ducking you, hahaha. It's 'cause they're too busy training with other professional athletes or men who could probably play ATP Challengers.
     
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  17. Phil

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    Every pro in the top 100 except Henin (according to the OP's criteria)? Not a chance. You people are friggin' deluded if you think otherwise, or else, bad 3.0 players.
     
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    The OP is clearly delusional. I'd say the average 4.5 weekend warrior might beat a top 100 WTA pro at arm-wrestling, and even then, I'd pick a few of the women to hand out some big beatdowns....

    Watch a WTA match, and then watch a 4.5 match at your club...be serious, they're not even playing the same sport.
     
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    Agreed...I'm a 48 year old 4.5/5.0 former D1 college player. I would get the arse-spanking of a lifetime if I went up against WTA players! These gals hit the ball hard and move well! I might get a few cheap points off my serve, but it wouldn't take them long to zone in. I certainly couldn't stay in the backcourt and run with them so that leaves the volley as my only hope...and it just ain't that good at that level!

    Even younger 4.5/5.0s with fresh legs can't match their consistency. These are fine athletes in training boys. You'd have a better chance of getting a date with one of them!
     
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  20. ionutzakis

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    Well this is the result of the discussions on this forum, where if you claim you're a 4.5 then immediately someone comes and says, "no, you're a 2.5 maybe 3.0 at best". Automatically it means that if you're accepted as a 4.5 on this forum, you cannot miss a single volley and you have a 100mph serve. With all those qualities I think a "TW rated" 4.5 man can beat a top 100 WTA. ... especially if it doesn't play with a PS85...
     
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    100 mph serve is not really a big deal among higher level players. I have never heard anybody say that a 4.5 can't miss a volley. 7.0 players miss volleys. 4.5 players are just good not great club players- that is about it.
     
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  22. isbisthebest

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    ???????????????????????
    I seriously can't believe someone could make such a absurd thread. I mean, it just can't be more stupid than this. Do you want to start up a new thread saying "can 3.0 level players beat WTA top 100"?

    P.s. How old are you?
    You play tennis?
    You ever watched tour level tennis?
     
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    Just a few weeks ago I had a really tough 64, 63 win against a very good woman in her early 30's. Afterwards I asked her if she played college tennis in the states (she was german) and she said yes, she played at SMU then she played professional club tennis in Germany. I felt a lot better about the win....then she casually mentioned, "Of course, I just started playing again after a six year break...." I also have a 61, 61, loss to the then #1 women's player at University of Texas and a couple of years ago, I lost 64, 64 to the #1 18's girl in Texas. So, to answer the question, no way.
     
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  24. JLyon

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    ATatu is correct no way a legit 4.5 or even 5.0 player could beat a Top 250 WTA player.
    When coaching had a Czech girl, who later transferred to Texas and played #1 and now Top 30 in Doubles, she never got higher than 800 in the world and spanked me like crazy and this was when I was a legit 4.5 player unlike today.
    I think 4.5 men would have issues even beating a Top 100 D1 lady.
     
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  25. WBF

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    This is an absurd question. No 4.5 could beat a top 100 WTA player.

    A 5.0 might have a chance against some closer to 100, but I think on average they might get beat a bit more, depending on how the players matched up (A 5.0 with a big serve would have a far better chance than a 5.0 without one).

    A 5.5 would have a good chance against many women in the top 100 IMHO, again, depending on the matchup. Certain women will be better at handling the male game.

    Seriously? I don't think your club pro is a 5.0 if that is the case, or else you are hiding something.
     
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    Absolutly Not!
     
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    I'm a pretty strong player and had a chance to hit a few times some years ago with a Russian woman who plays in 5.5 leagues locally and had been the doubles partner of Zvereva when they were both juniors in Russia. It was a most humbling experience.
     
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    With all respect to the talent and training put forth of the top women pro players, A good college playing male can definitely have a good competitive match with them, and many times win. Usually because of the disadvantage a male can have in power, especially on the serve. Many womens players simply havent seen a big serve like that, unless its the top bunch like the Williams and etc.

    A friend of mine originally from my area, approximately a 5.5 that is a competitive tournament player like myself, works at Saddlebrook now and had the privilege of playing Martina Hingis in a practice set. He won 6-2.
     
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  29. power_play21

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    i hope you can see we're talking about a weekend warrior 4.5

    he is 1.0 below 5.5, is not a competitive tournament player, and is taking lessons from your friend at saddlebrook lol.

    i believe your guy, but the 4.5? common no way, 6-0 6-0 to any top 100 WTA player any day of the week.

    its like saying i have a chance against someone playing challengers lol. i wont even bother lifting up my racquet
     
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    How much cocaine did she snort before the match? JK

    A player like Martina would have a particularly difficult time playing against a man. Throughout her career she has be unable to handle hard hitting women like the William sisters. So, I would expect a 5.5 male, who probably can match Serena's or Venus's power in some areas, to defeat her easily

    Also, Martina has struggled for the last year and I wouldn’t consider her a top WTA player anymore.

    Still an interesting result nonetheless.
     
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  31. OrangeOne

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    No 4.5 would beat a serious 15yr old female (state-level in Australia), let alone a serious 16yr old female.
     
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    no way jose. no male 4.5 serve in the 120s like venus, serena, sharapova etc... plus to make it in the top 100 they have to be very consistent off the ground which most 4.5s I've seen aren't. Maybe an established college tennis player will have a chance on beating a wta top 100.
    also, does the riggs-king match come into play here?
     
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    I've been a hitting mule for a couple of the WTAers. if the question were rephrased to be a 5.0-5.5 male then we would have at least the basis for a conversation provided the guy had a good serving game, a creative return game, and is more than a baseliner. The WTAers can hit through most 5.0-5.5 guys from the back and love the pace, but have weaknesses which can be exploited by someone with a lot of variety and an all court game..speaking in general terms.
    There's a quantum jump from 4.5 to 5.0 in my opinion...tons of 4.5's out there and far fewer 5.0s and even fewer 5.5's etc
     
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    Totally agree with that. There really is a quantum jump in player pedigree and talent when going from 4.5 to 5.0-5.5. 4.5 I think is where most reasonably average players can reasonably hope to achieve that level assuming they've either enough dedication, love, and/or financial resources to learn the game.

    However, I find that as far getting beyond this level, there seems to be a brick wall for most where you either have it in you or you don't, and this is the level where players tend to stagnate before heading into a slow, steady decline.

    It's like with the painting, most people with enough dedication could probably get to a certain level of marginal impressiveness (i.e. a close enough approximation to the real thing to be somewhat believeable); but beyond that it takes something else.
     
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    It's a major barrier to many players.

    Once you get to 5.0 or 5.5, one should have the foundation to reach the very top of the game, given the proper environment (training, money to fund training all day vs. working, etc) and genetics (athleticism, etc).
     
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    A 4.5 male? What an insulting thread to top 100 women players.

    -SF
     
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    Just a dumb thread: 4.5? With ease??? ridiculous. Women's tennis is weak but they would still spank any 4.5 player...WITH EASE...
     
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    Ditto. Wow, this thread is hilarious.
     
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    Like most everything else, the better you get at something the harder it is to improve. but there is something about the jump from 4.5 to 5.0 that is the largest jump of all the changes in levels below it i feel.
     
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    maybe if they are an insane sandbagger..
     
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  41. Kaptain Karl

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    I don't share the attitudes of most of you.

    The drop-off in capability in the WTA is dramatic after about #30. I'd be inclined to think there are more than a few 4.5 males with the ability to beat some of the WTA players between 85 and 100 in the rankings.

    I'm a HS Coach. One of the (very average) teams we played this year had a kid on their JV with an astonishingly BIG serve. Teasing the other Coach, I said, "He played #1 on Varsity against _____ didn't he?"

    She laughed and told me he'd be a Varsity star ... if he could keep his concentration on a match for more than 20 minutes. IOW, he had *sick* physical skills, but he was a "head case."

    My point is 4.5 males come in many forms. Most of you folks seem to be thinking of "the average 4.5" in your replies....

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    And my point is that it's unfortunate that you are in a teaching capacity in the great sport of tennis if you honestly believe that. Women's tennis (especially below #30) is weak...but 4.5? That's just ridiculous. I'd agree if you said solid Division one player that at least flirts with the ranking or guy in 1100-1500 ATP rankings but 4.5 player...absolutely no chance.

    Your argument about the JV kid makes no sense...we're talking about 4.5 level players, not 5.5 level players that never try and as such are considered 4.5's. The obvious basis of the question (and reason for a rating system to begin with) was to argue what an actual 4.5 level player could do against a WTA player. Obviously the origonal question itself is ridiculous and barely worth responding to but bringing up a hard serving JV player whose a star if he tried to argue about different 4.5's makes no sense...
     
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    My goodness! Such ... superiority.

    We disagree. Don't take InterNet forums so seriously....

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    Perhaps I was a bit harsh (too much Drakulie madness on the Vick message board) but seriously...4.5 level players have no chance against top 100 women players...not gonna happen. I rip womens tennis more then anyone, and have hit many times with girls in the top 300, and to think a 4.5 would beat them is dumb. Like I said...guys around 1000 and solid division 1 players will beat top 100 WTA players...not 4.5
     
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  45. Clintspin

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    I think part of the problem with this discussion is in the vast skill difference in 4.5 players from different parts of the country. The 4.5 players around here are pretty good. A whole lot of them are former college players. And as I said before, age has a lot to do with it. Captain Karl has a point. I had a student that was only top twenty in the 16's and went to Bolleterri's for a week, played one of their top resident super star girls and beat her.
     
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    The question was "with ease" right?
    The answer is NO and NO. There MAYBE some 4.5s that could be competitive when they are on, but...beat top 100 WTA players WITH EASE? IMPOSSIBLE.
     
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    err.. i'm pretty sure that there are no 4.5 males that can beat top 100 women.
     
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    Why'd my post get deleted in this thread? Oh well. I just said that a 4.5 would get killed by a Top 100 WTA player.
     
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    Threads like these really embarrass the OP.
     
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  50. 35ft6

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    No way a 4.5 player could beat a top 100 pro, I'd be surprised if they won a game.
     
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