Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by Roger is Boring, Mar 4, 2006.
i know I am dancing like a dervish! yeeeeaaahhhh that sonofa***** nadal did it again!!!!!:mrgreen:
Another troll who doesn't know the *spoiling* rules.
Oh lord... how many of those are there?
Are they gremlins? if you get them wet, they multiply!!
That's a bit of overkill. I don't think anyone is really happy that Roger lost -- well us Nadal fans aren't totally unhapy that Rafa won. ;-) I think it's good that someone beats Roger now and again to keep things interesting, because otherwise, it's another Roger tournament, another Roger final and another Roger win. You don't need to watch it; just check at the end to confirm his win.
And that's not particularly exciting. Nice to know that one or two other players have an opportunity. ;-)
As for the spoiler rule, there's already 6 threads here that give the result away anyway.
Vamos, I was going to say something similar - happy Nadal wasn't too badly injured and on the way back. I hope he has a great year and is eligible for the Masters Cup - I was bummed when he walked out on that court in jeans and said he had to pull out last Nov.
And yes, the spoiler rule is being adhered to about as much as the speed limit on the 405 - when it's not gridlocked.
A psycho Fed fan wrote this. rf forum. Sad.
I really don't know how to put this.....It certainly is not the end of
the world and I can't comment on the technical aspect of the match ,as I
didn't see it (thankfully or Unfortunately,that I am not sure).
Maybe it is because the level at which Roger has elevated his game and
accompanying statistics that we expect him to win every single match and
every single tournament he participates in and I cannot blame ourselves
for that ,as his game has been proven as an unreachable milestone which
no one could even dream to conquer.
The defeat in Dubai Open Final Match certainly doesn't mark the begining
of Nadal regime and end of Federer era but raises some questions and I
wouldn't blame some hard core Federer fans raising their eyebrows with
There is nothing to get seriously concerned at this stage but the age
old proverb of "prevention is better than cure" cannot be overruled as well.
Federer has been playing consistently well and has been maintaining the
same undefeatable, artisitic and majestic level about his game ,in each
and every single match and to get into atomic level of the aspect,in
each and every single set as well.
He has been defeating regularly some of the biggest name in the business
and has made this almost his second nature.
I wouldn't say that he has figured out other players,with the exception
of Nadal but he certainly is facing some trouble in defeating this left
handed player (accompanied by an angle which is bit hard for a Right
handed player to tackle)
and his dynamic attitude,enthusiasm,insatiable appetite to win,stamina
and energetic soul.
Technically Federer can be placed miles ahead of Rafael Nadal but is
there something invisible to naked eyes ,which is creating some trouble
for man invincible,I doubt but again his H2H record cannot be ignored.
Since last US Open certain inconsistencies in his perfect game were very
He lost one set to Nicolas Keifer,not that he doesn't deserve to win one
set from Roger or Roger doesn't holds the right to compromise one set
but the question is ,against whom and under what circumstance.(Gave some
trouble in Wimby as well)
We have repeatedly discussed during that period ,that whether his game
was looking rusty or not and even his win against Hewitt was not very
convincing one as well ,as Hewitt started committing major mistakes in
certain crucial points and was literay awarding the game to Roger.
He played a remarkable final without any Rusty look about his game but
in a Grand Slam event he was challenged (Only little bit)by two players,
who has repeatedly tasted defeat against Roger and Roger is now
comfortable with their style of game.
In Shanghai he lost one major important Final ,after playing a splendid
game against David,Ljubicic ,Coria and Gaudio but eventually losing to
David in Final.
He played remarkably well in Aus Open once again but struggled a bit
against Tommy Haas and Nikolay Davedenko.
Please don't take the above mentioned instances as my intention of
trying to say that he should win every single match without losing even
one single set but what I am trying to say is ,he has been looking a bit
out of touch in certain events and tournaments and his invincible
Backhand has been troubling him as well,he has been committing too many
Is he losing the motivation and inspiration?As no one is able to stand
upto him and he has not been able to exercise his weapons regularly
against potential talents regularly.
Absence of potential talents from Circuit like Marat Safin ,who has
always challenged him ,can be attributed to that rusty and "neutral gear
look" in his game.
He had been playing without any potential challenge against him for
really long and has always maintained that steady level of his game but
can this be suspected now that he was getting a bit demotivated because
of lack of any challenge.
Federer is fond of challenges and he loves to face talented opponents
who would force him to raise the level of his game to a very high level
and he loves to win those adrenaline driven high profile battle.
Question is ,how many times during his domination,potential threats like
Hewitt,Roddick,Safin,Agassi were able to throw a challenge like that to him.
Can this lack of enough challenge be attributed to the suspected
decrease in the sharpness of his weapons,which has always maintained an
unconquerable feel about them.
Was he getting used to winning games even though he was keeping most of
his weapons hidden and unutilized and now when some threats are raising
their head, his weapons(seldom used because of lack of enough
challenge,in the recent past) which were celebrated in the world of
Tennis for their lethalness are unable to bring their lethal context
along with them.
I am not saying that Nadal has proven himself undefeatable against Roger
because he has been defeated by players like Ivan Ljubicic,Llelyton
Hewitt,Dominic Hrbaty,Gaston Gaudio,Gilles Muller,Arnaud Clement and
James Blake and all of them holds a non mentionable record against Roger.
So we certainly cannot consider him as a threat to Roger but well as a
certain player who should be taken more seriously than the rest.
It is fine that Roger is playing against Nadal and no matter what is the
result,he is getting more and more acquaintended with his style of game
and finer aspects of his game and sooner or later, he will get
habituated with his angle and finer aspects of Nadal's strength and I
wouldn't use the regularly and unnecessarily used phrase "figuring out
his game" because there is nothing hidden enigma regarding Nadal's game
but only a question of getting habituated with his style of game play.
The invincible unconquerable shield of Roger is very much alive and
thankfully gave some shocks back to him to trigger him out of the
"getting used to state",in which he was getting comfortable with the
minimum level of competiton he was facing from other challengers.
Nothing is lost but a time has come to reevaluate the entire scenario
and instead of looking Nadal as a threat to his Kingdom,I would like to
see nadal as a motivator for Roger,as Roger surely loves challenges and
Nadal is just giving him exactly that and in a way proving as a boon for
You may have been bummed. Think how I felt to fly to China to see him walk out on the court in his jeans.
But it wasn't a total surprise; we knew he was having problems. But I didn't discover those until I got there.
I think the spoiler rule generally works very well here. But when No. 1 plays No. 2, you kind of have to throw that rule out the window for a bit.
BTW, Rafa spoke quite a bit today about how well he gets on with Roger and how he respects him. He calls Roger Numero Uno and Rogelio.
But I think Rafa has his eye on Numero Uno. ;-)
PS: As for the rant above, even though the 19-year-old has the edge in their head-to-heads, he's miles behind Roger in terms of accomplishments. He definitely has his eye on future prizes, but I doubt very much he'll have the career Roger will have overall. But I think Rafa will have a very good career, and will not go down in history as just a claycourter.
im a big fed fan but i wouldnt have been able to pull this one off
Why, oh WHY, do you have to quote an entire 15+ paragraph post?
Is anybody else happy that Roger lost?
Yess, I´m very very happy..at last something interesting .
lol freedom...i agree completely...but 2 my point, i cant split the two players, but i like 2 c federer keep on winnin, coz as a teen, i hope that i can say 2 my grandkids that i was there wen the world's greatest player dominated...(hopefully), but go nadal!
idiotic poster, but im actually sad he lost, dont get me wrong, i like rafa, but i lost respect for him when he lost to blake...
And that loss, notwithstanding everything else Rafa has done on hardcourts, is enough to convince you that Rafa is a Blake-wanna-be?
I'm glad he isn't, because as much as I like James, and want him to help us win the Davis Cup this year, there is no comparison between these guys.
One is a great guy who has had some great results, but who will never be considered a great player. The other will go down in history as a great player.
I don't care if Rafa loses to anyone else on the tour. The best thing about the spahish poster boy is that he gets to beat Fed 3 out of 4 times, regardless of the surface. He singlehandedly proves that no, Roger is not unbeatable, and that yes, Sampras is an idiot because Pete keeps saying Fed has no competition nowadays unlike "good old Sampras days".
Thread moved so the title would not "spoil" anyone's expectations. This sub-forum also includes discussion about matches, so feel free to continue as you were!
Sorry for the inconvenience.
'Roger is boring' is boring
I'm very sad to hear that. I didn't see this match but I heard Roger laughed with Nadal. I think Roger is very good player.He concede the result although he lost. I don't care Roger will lose or win. Because he is the best tennis-player for me forever. I hope Roger will be the champion in the next title. For Nadal fans I congratulation for this champion. But I will hate him if he win Roger again. ( joking :mrgreen: )
I'm glad Nadal won!
Roger is entirley business when it comes to tennis just like sampras was, and people complained that he was boring too and lacked charisma. Yes, Roger's boring, but don't wait for a personality dynamo for Safin to take his place. He doesn't have time for it in his balanced life as he calls it.
Just be glad Jiri Novak isn't Federer's rival. That would be really boring.
Novak? I think the current version of Novak is Davydenko?
Yep, if we have to look foward to a Fed/Davydenko or Fed/Novak rivalry, tennis is indeed in trouble.
As was stated in Steel Magnolias, "I'd rather have a half hour of something special than a lifetime of nothing special."
I think Federer/Nadal qualifies as something special. Let's go with that for the moment.
Rogers tired from winning too much! won last three slams he has to be tired nadal is fresh from a break and beat an off form fed 2 sets to 1 big deal!
It doesn't matter too much but come the French Open final that we can already predict- Federer-Nadal I am positive federer will bring his A game.
Yes, happy as a clam.
It makes no odds.
Federer is still on course to win all 4 slams and all 9 Masters Series this year. Bring on the Pacific Life Open and the NASDAQ-100 Open...
What a ridiculous comment.
Not happy Roger lost but not utterly disappointed either. Losses make you hungrier. And that's a good thing.
I'll agree with Tangerine here. How can you lose respect for someone just by them losing a match?!?
As for if I'm happy that Federer lost. Kinda. It doesn't bother me to see him lose a few here and there - especially to real talents like Nadal. I just know him losing like that will only bring him back stronger, hungrier and with less pressure on him to be superman.
I like nadal & Fed, but it was a good win for Nadal after his injury.
Am I happy? no. Am I mad? no, not really, just a bit dissapointed when I first read the news on these boards. But I believe that this is absolutly great for tennis unless Nadal beats Federer now like Fed beats down Roddick( most probably no). Imagine how many great finals they will produce aslong as they're #1&2. This should be one helluva great season!
Sampras is living in denial. Given how Hewitt owned him:
Just imagine what Nadal would have done to Sampras.
Before 2000, Sampras hadn't lost to Hewitt in two matches.
In 2000, he won two and lost two.
Post 2000, he didn't win a single one in three matches.
The conclusion - before 2000, Sampras was clearly better than Hewitt. In 2000, they were close; and after 2000, Hewitt was clearly better than Sampras.
I don't see any way to extrapolate from this to one player "owning" the other - by the time Hewitt was in his prime, Sampras was already way past his.
...and yes, I can very easily imagine what would happen if Sampras played Nadal. If they played on clay, Nadal would probably win. If it was on a slow-to-medium hardcourt, it would be close; if it was on a fast indoor surface or grass, Sampras would win.
Interesting, I've never heard of Sampras ever saying such a thing. Could you point me to the interview where you're getting your data from?
I'm suprised Nadal won because it's only been his 2nd tournament back, and he lost to Clement last week so I didn't think he'd get it back together so quickly. However, if you look at my comments on Nadal throughout the board, I've always thought that he had it in him to beat Federer on hard courts. This is the 2nd final Federer has lost... I really hope Federer can still make his Grandslam run before falling out of his prime.
I think that fEDERER loosing to nadal doesnt make him a bad player or Nadal the greatest, it was just one more much between the 2, they are the 2 best in the world and anybody can win.
Federer lost to someone who is really good, its not like he was in the top 50 or anything, he is no.2 so he is REALLY good.
in all sports, the no.2 can beat the no.1 thats life, thats why they are both ahead of the game.
Federer might be the best ever, and Nadal is going to test him from becoming so. kinda like a huge ass wall. break through Nadal, you have it sorta thing
Well, as you see (my username) I'm thrilled. hahahahaha... He's so arrogant, he said Rafa "got chances because my serve got worse"... isn't that annoying? he can't lost once, damn it!
Nadal's not a wall. He's a likeable human being and a dedicated player.
Federer, on the other hand, has a problem admitting he's not the nicest human around.
Despite not being a top 10 player anymore, Jiri Novak has more class than Federer.
That's right, Federer is not a good human, I guess his humane efforts are irrelevant then?
I was quite disappointed that Fed lost, but i'd rather it was to the SECOND BEST TENNIS PLAYER in the WORLD than to someone who's not in the top 20. And i'm happy a real rivalry can finally be generated between Fed and someone else. He must be bored out of his mind!
Devila, do enlighten us and provide evidence to support your statements
Max, he was saying it in the recent "come back" one of them, perhaps one quoted in earlier threads.
Federer has a huge amount of class. And I find him extremely likable.
When he stops being nice, then maybe you'll have a point about him not being the nicest human around.
Further, when you're as accomplished as Roger is, you can be forgiven a little bit of arrogance, although I have yet to see too much arrogance on his part.
I'm not happy Roger lost, but I'm happy Nadal won. I like them pretty much equally.
I'm not happy because I felt like Federer was the better player in that match. Obviously he's the better player in general, but I felt like even on that day he was the better player and just lost his sharpness at crunch time. Nadal is amazing because he always sticks in there and stays in the game, a lesser player would have given up after being dominated for an hour, but Federer did not play his best in that third set. He'll come back stronger from this loss.
I agree with Sampras. He had tougher competition than Federer.
There were fewer poorly-coached and weak players in the 1990s. Edberg, Becker, Agassi and Chang won many titles, unlike Hewitt, Roddick and Safin.
Too bad Sampras loved advertising himself as a big gentleman, "I never felt the need to act like an ass hole," he told the show Beyond the Glory.
Sampras forgot when he intentionally insulted Rafter by saying "the difference" between him and Pat Rafter was multiple Grand Slams.
Here's another ridiculous Fed post:
In the 3rd set:
Federer looked tired. He looks like he added some pounds to his belly!
Very obvious he did not work on his fitness as he said
Still he managed to play nicely and lead 4-3 in the 3rd set. The 7th
game Federer played it great, nice backhands, forehands, great shots.
His movement is not great, looks like he wants to win just using his
swings and arm without any efforts. Weather looks hot and he is very
In the 8th game, Federer serving, one guy in the crowds was shouting
loudly while he is serving (the same way happened in the FO), no first
serves, bad forehand and Federer was broken.
Federer looked careless as if he wanted it to end this way or that way!
Although it could come off as arrogance, i think the majority of the "arrogance" people complain about (regarding fed) is just the cultural barrier that we have a hard time to see past. English is not his first language, so it must be hard for him to phrase (or perhaps understand the given question) correctly, or the way he wants it.
It doesn't mean he's being arrogant, maybe he is just trying to tell it how it is, but it comes across nastier than he wants?
Interesting statistic: Nadal won 71 points, Federer won 78.
Maybe that's why I feel that the better player lost. I was rooting for Nadal in the French because he was obviously the better player, but this victory somehow felt a little sour because Federer's play for half the match was vintage, and Nadal looked downright slow and helpless. But kudos to Nadal for sticking it out and finding the break at the right time.
He played the bigger points better. That's the difference. And that's why I think Rafa is underestimated. If he can do that against Roger, he can do it against anyone. And as his game improves, and he gains more confidence on other surfaces, he should give just about any one a run for his money. And he pretty much did that last year anyway.
People have said that players go through difficulties when they become the hunted instead of the hunter. That's not an issue with Rafa. He relishes it. His battling instincts are the true excitment of his game, and as long as he's fit and he can battle, he's going to be a contender.
ya im happy, federer is becoming like kobe bryant. hes good and hes gonna rape some girl and become a loser
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