Is Blake overrated ?

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  1. Rodditha

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    Blake lost the opening match of Davis Cup to Thomas Johansson in 4 easy sets not even getting to the 5th. Roddick by his side beat Borkman in 3 easy sets 6-2 7-6(3) 6-4. Roddick won his 2 singles matches whereas Blake could lose his 2 matches. All that to say that Pat should drop Blake and make the talented younsters play. Roddick keeps doing all the work when it's Davis Cup.
     
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  2. Dan007

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    I agree, Blake always loses in davis cup matches. Maybe let John Isner play for a change.
     
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    i think blake is slightly overrated... hes capable of alot but he has touble finding it
     
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    i dont find blake overrated...but he's not consistant enough...he's a great player but he needs to back it up game after game.
     
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    I don't believe Blake is overrated, you are what your record/atp ranking says you are. I do believe Blake could be a better player if he knew how to change his playing style when things aren't working. He has a better forehand & backhand then Roddick but his GO FOR ALL style of play get him beaten too often.
     
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    There has been several threads about this same topic. :-(
     
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    He's not overrated. Hes just a very streaky player. When hes playing his best he looks like a solid number 3 or 4 player in the world. Remarkable speed and power. When he's off he for some reason completely shuts down and plays very poorly. His mental game is his only weakness.
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    he need that mind set to win big matches but it is easy say than do it
     
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  9. Jackie T. Stephens

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    Blake maybe gets nervous or just tend to lose at the Davis Cup.
     
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    Why do people always complain that "this and that" has already been discussed "ad nauseum" in another thread?

    Look at the number of new responses. Obviously people want to to discuss the topic. If you don't then fine, leave the thread.

    These discussions come up because people want to talk and discuss what's on there mind. They don't want to research old links. Especially if a new event has some new light to add to the discussion. Like Blake letting u down once again.
     
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    i would have let john isner or sam querrey or donald young play that last rubber....(not sure who made the trip but one of those three)....just for some davis cup experience on the court
     
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    I appreciate James alot, he is very athletic and quick player, i love watching his spectacular game when he is on. He is deceving, losing to Borkman so easily, i'm sure Pat is thinking of replacing James with Isner, Young or Querrey even though they lack of experience.
     
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    Didn't he lose to Thomas Johannson?

    Blake isn't overrated. I think he's an underachiever. He has great weapons; forehand, speed, return game, but his fragile mental game causes total collapse in pressure situations. When it's a big occasion, or he starts slow, he's got no fight in him.

    He's stayed really healthy these last couple years and doesn't look to be losing his athletic edge at all. So maybe his best years are still coming.
     
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    Am I taking crazy pills here? He lost to Thomas Johannson in the second rubber. At least that's what the DC website says. But they also say that Roddick just beat TJ to win the tie, when I'm pretty sure that I saw Bjorkman playing. Please tell me I'm not hallucinating.
     
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    No, he's 8th in the world.
     
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    actually you are not, because according to the above post he lost to "borkman" who is of course, not a player on the swedish davis cup team
     
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    I'm totally sorry, my fault, i mix these guys names all the time, so many sson.
     
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    He lost to Jonas Bjorkman.
     
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    he is actually overrated
     
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    Blake lost to Thomas Johansson.
     
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    I don't think he's over rated - he just doesn't rise to the occasion like Roddick in Davis Cup - maybe too much pressure.

    Also, Thomas Johansson was just ON the other day. His serving was sick and Blake couldn't get a rhythm to his serve or hurt Johansson with his return game. Think Blake had more than 10 double faults? Hard to win like that if you just give away points.
     
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    You have reason, just checked out and he lost to Johansson.
     
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    Which is true and that could also be the reason.
     
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  24. formerblakefan

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    He's definitely an underachiever who doesn't quite believe in himself. But then again, he is getting old, and IMO his speed is going to collapse one day...leaving him hovering around the top 25.
     
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    He does believe in hiself, didn't you read his book?
     
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    I still think Blake can do something big, but he isn't mentally tough, he believes in himself and his abilities, his problems are mental.
     
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    I did, and his "getting better" philosophy is quite laughable to me. With it, there is no real goal he is working toward. He only works to "get better."

    I think he loves to play tennis, but he lacks that competitive spirit one needs to make it to no. 2 or no 3 in the world.
     
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    Do you guys realize he finished top 5 last year?? I wouldn't exactly call that underachieving. He probably hasn't had that break-out Grand Slam performance that many of you are looking for. However, with guys like Fed, Nadal, & Djokovic in the mix....it's not the easiest thing in the world to do at the moment.

    He had a real nice win in davis cup quarters vs. robredo. That was a real crucial win.
     
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    I think Blake is way overated.. He lost too easily.. His mental game is too fragile.. He can't hang tough in there.. He lost some matches that he's up 2 set to love 4-1.. then lost it.. I just don't get it.. he's a type of player hit or miss.. Does not have enough consistency to back up his game.. I would win any big events.. He chokes under the pressure.. Pat should give chance for younger guys..
     
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    Actually, Blake has only lost 1 out of his last 4 davis cup matches. Won both his rubbers in the QF against Spain, which included a clutch straight set win over Tommy Robredo to give Roddick some breathing room. Then another straight set win over Feliciano Lopez. And he pummeled his opponent today (cant remember his name) in the dead rubber. Thomas Johansson is by no means a pushover, the guy has a GS in his bag. Blake got a set from him but just couldnt keep the momentum. Its been said plenty before, Blake is a very streaky player and he's going to tank a match every now and then. As a fan of his, Ive learned to accept that and just enjoy watching him when he's playing well. it makes you really appreciate when he's on, cause when Blake gets in the zone, theres only 1 man in the world who hits better.
     
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    4 in the world was a huge result for sure. But his performance at the slams IS disappointing, and it's not because he's always running into Fed like Roddick does. Since he reached 4 in the world he hasn't come close to living up to his seeding at a slam. He gets beat by much lower ranked players all the time. And it's the way he loses that is so frustrating. Not being able to close out matches when he should have the momentum. Going completely sour mentally and moping around the court getting spanked like he just wants to go to the locker room.

    If he truly wanted to win. He would go get a new coach like every other player does. He has to have heard everything Brian Barker has to say at this point. He needs a new perspective if he wants to advance to another level. But the fact that he would rather keep his buddy on the payroll rather than get some new ideas shows that he doesn't have the desire to win that most pros do.
     
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    That is a good point. His long time coach Brian Barker has been with him through all of his trials and hardships. I think that Brian crossed that dangerous line that separates business and personal matters and became one of James's best friends. Which is great that they have that connection, but it its possible that James game suffers from it. It doesnt seem like Brian coaches James to alter his game very much. Just think of what James could be capable of if he was under the wing of someone like Brad Gilbert. What would be a DREAM pair up, is if Andre Agassi would not replace Brian Barker, but step on board and join Blakes camp as a co-coach or what not. Thats a good point about the coach im glad you brought that up.
     
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    after all that has happened to him i doubt he puts too much pressure on his ranking. he's probably happy enough being top 10 and enjoying himself.
     
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    if anyone underachieves...it is Roddick. Look at that serve, that forehand....wow. Should have more than one slam considering two powerful weapons....(lol).
     
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    Yeah totally true, at least he won a slam.
     
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    Yeah, over JCF on a fast hard surface. Had Andy and JFC met at the French in the finals, JCF in straights:

    6-2, 6-1, 6-3
     
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    Are you serious about the score of that final ? was it that easy ?
     
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    I think Isner would be the best bet out of those three. Young still needs work and querry to me doesnt seem to be motivated enough yet to play at his best. Isner has the mental game down and the powerful weapons to take out most of the davis cup players.
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    Well, that US Open should have been Nalbandian's. Do you remember the bad calls in the semi, especially the big one when Nalbandian was just two points away from winning the match? But to be fair with Roddick, he has demonstrated that his mind is strong and he's absolutely capable of great wins, if not Grand Slams, with his one-dimensional game. It's a fact of the game that the serve is the single most important shot.

    Blake is also one-dimensional. I don't think he's overrated or underrated, he is exactly where he deserves to be. But in any case, you have to admire this guy, not just because of his life experiences, but also because he started playing ATP tournaments very late. In my mind, that is the reason why he never deployed a full-game. It's really hard when you start later than anybody else.

    I find hard to believe that we call tennis players overachievers or underachievers, or all that crap. The ATP system is a fair system that allocates points on the basis of a player's ability to win matches. Everybody knows that Blake is way below Federer, Nadal and Djokovic. So, what do you mean by overrated?
     
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    I'm not sure why the above poster said the Blake 'started playing ATP tournaments very late'. He left Harvard early to turn pro in 1999 at the ripe old age of 20 and had played some ATP events as an amateur before turning pro.

    I will agree though that the notion that a player is over/under rated seems moot as the rankings are based on very black and white stats.
     
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    Blake earned his spot in the Davis Cup; looked at his ranking after the US Open!
    People are quick to doubt a players ability when someone like Thomas Johannson who is ranked lower than Blake beat him. But don't get be fooled by Johannsson's ranking - this dude is a veteran and has his sweds buddies to get him (ie. WIlander and Edberg) to train with him . If you watched the match you can see why Blake got beaten. Thomas Johansson was on fire!
    Blake just had a bad day.... his first serve % was down, got killed on his second serves and Johansson was hitting his serve down the T like it was no body's biz.
    Give Blake some slacks!
     
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    Blake can lose to anybody at anytime...400 ranked ATP player, 5.0 player, the 4.0 guy running drills at my club, Nick Bollettieri....hell, I bet he can even lose to Serena. He is so inconsistent...painful to watch.
     
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    Exactly right!!!

    I've watched his game and...
    1. He hits terrific forehands...
    2. and follows them up -- on the fifth or sixth hit of the rally -- with the damned unforced error.

    To me he's an incredibly frustrating player to watch because his concentration seems to vanish the longer the rally goes. He's like a talented prep player who hasn't learned to keep watching the ball. If he's the future of US tennis, we're in a world of hurt. I admire his will-power in overcoming his physical problems of a few years ago, but...HE NEEDS TO BACK IT UP, GAME AFTER GAME...POINT AFTER POINT.
     
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    EVERY prep tennis coach has had players like Blake...maybe not with the talent that Blake has...but with the problem he has.

    He plays these incredibly long five-setters against players NOT HIS EQUAL, gets down on himself (droopy shoulders...the whole nine-yards)

    I used to have several copies of "The Inner Game of Tennis" with which to force-feed some prep players. IMHO he needs someone like Brad Gilbert to grab him by the nose-hair and MAKE him "stay in a point"...outlast the guy on the other side of the net in the point being played...not "the next point". The "next point" mentality is what earns him entrance into the five-setters...and they become a crap-shoot for him. He hasn't earned "slack" until he gets mentally tough enough to play up to his ability. He needs to hit with a "hitting partner" and keep the ball in-play forty, fifty strokes, while moving the ball around -- not thinking about a damned thing except the shot he's about to hit. That's the perspiration he needs, period.

    In D Zone, you're the one being "fooled" here. Don't let Blake's raw talent blind you to his major shortcoming...
     
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    I agree with MichaelH, I wish he would change coach or get someone to help. The guy has the fitness to stay in the point but he choose to try and hit all out winners every shot! He is either too damn stubborn! Like I said earlier his forehand/backhand/court movement is much better the Roddick, he just doesn't manage the game well.
     
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    He is very overrated. I have no idea how he has spent time in the top 10. Maybe it is an indication of lack of depth today that some people speak of. It is funny to read an earlier poster talk about pretty good lower ranked players being not his equal, and should not be taking him to 5 sets, but Blake isnt some special player or something.
     
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    Thanks!

    There's the "frustrator", and the "frustratee". Most often, it seem James is the frustratee! The longer a point goes, the harder James seems to feel he has to hit. I always hated to watch Miloslav Mečíř play, particularly when he was able to frustrate someone like Agassi, and I wouldn't for a moment suggest that Micir's play should be emulated by Blake, but Mecir's mental toughness is a hard act to follow, and Blake would do well to adopt some of it as his own...
     
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    Let me put it another way...

    I never once saw Miloslav Mečíř defeat himself. I saw him lose to better players, but they had to beat him, period.

    In James Blake's case, he is a subtle master at beating himself. Until he gets over that, he'll be in the "also ran" category.
     
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    There are many players who can flatout beat Blake. He does not have to beat himself to lose a match. As it is though he cant change that happening from time to time either. He certainly cant outrally or outsteady or outsmart a good opponent. His only chance is to really go for his shots, playing a risky game.
     
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