Is Davydenko really the 4th Best in the world.

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  1. andyroddick1

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    I mean he can't win a match against anyone in the top 6 in the world. I mean Fed owns him, Monkey Boy owns him, Djoker owns him, A-Rod owns him, and Blake owns him for gods sake. A-Rod should be Number 4 because he owns Davy and Blake.
     
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  2. Duzza

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    No, he is not the 4th best. His ranking points mean nothing so put Roddick 4th please ATP.
     
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  3. andyroddick1

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    I forgot to put it up, but look at the amount of tourny's Davy plays compared to the rest of the top 10.
     
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  4. lonestar

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    Yes apparently he is. He's a good player, hard working, though tends to choke against the big guys.

    Btw: Last match he played against Roddick was in 2005, Davy retired. I doubt that Roddick would still own him today, at least not on clay.
     
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  5. Duzza

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    So? Why don't all the other players play as many tournaments just to have more points than him? Probably because their body can't handle it.

    BTW, when *2005* did Roddick *2005* last play *2005* Nikolay?
     
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  6. Fedexeon

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    His groundstroke is ton better than Roddick and not to mention his great movement. Only that his serve is his major weakness.
     
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    He has worked really hard and the 4th place is a reward for him. I wish him luck
     
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    He may get "owned" by blake and roddick (the only two who are below him) but he is much more consistent than them.
     
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  9. MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

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    Davydenko is a really hard working guy that deserves his position in the rankings system, he maybe "owned" by the mentioned players but the guy is a damn good tennis player. If you’re so content with Roddick being 4th best, then you should just mentally write him in as #4.

    BTW, are you basing your logic on his head-to-head record with the players ranked below him?
     
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  10. 0d1n

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    Repeat after me ... Blake is an average pro tennis player, Blake is an average pro tennis player, Blake is an average pro tennis player, Blake is an average pro tennis player.
    Davydenko is a great player ... I rather watch him than Blake. Also ... any tennis fan has much more to learn from a guy like Davy than a guy like Blake (aka lets try and bludgeon the ball ...and if we play against somebody that thrives on pace...i.e Fedster ... let's go home ... cry a little bit and then hold a press conference declaring Federer the greatest athlete of all time).
    By the way ...kudos to A Rod for trying to change some parts of his game to make it WATCHABLE as well.
    PS - Head to head doesn't/can't replace ranking ... and doesn't tell the whole story. People like Krajicek, Stich and even freakin' Derick (?) Rostagno have a positive head to head versus Pete Sampras ... does that make all of them better players than Sampras ???
    From a bunch of players...if player John beats player Guy all the time, but gets beaten by everybody else all the time...and player Guy beats everybody else except John ... who's the better player ?
     
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  11. Wuornos

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    I agree. I would rate Davydenko as 5th at the moment, but he is a good player. I'm not sure what everyone sees in Blake.
     
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  12. 35ft6

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    No wins against Fed, Nadal, Blake, and Roddick.

    3-0 against Gonzo. 1-1 with Ferrer. 4-1 against Robredo. 6-0 with Berdych. Hasn't played Novak yet.

    So number 4 in the world is not a travesty. He's got winning records against 4 out of the top 10, and the rest is a matter of consistency and not losing when he shouldn't. Plus, two Grand Slam semi's.

    But it would seem that Roddick arguably deserves the 4 spot more.
     
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  13. Aonex

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    He's the 4th RANKED player in the world based on his objective points he's earned. Trying to decide the "best" players will always be subjective, so who really cares.
     
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    What about Roddick's record against Top10s?
    And Blake's ??

    Blake couldn't beat a single Top40 early this year. I believe this was until Wimbledon or so.
     
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  15. Klatu Verata Necktie

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    Who's Monkey Boy? I'd love to watch a monkey play tennis ;)
     
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  16. 35ft6

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    He's never played "Djoker." And the top ten ranking isn't determined solely by how a player does against other top ten players.
     
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  17. ClayisFun

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    I think Davy deserves number 4. Anyone that can play that much tennis at his level should be ranked pretty high. IMO.
     
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  18. Aonex

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    Mowgli in the Jungle Book?
     
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  19. illkhiboy

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    He's been consistent on all surfaces.
     
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  20. plain jane

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    i think he deserves to be #4 or #5 at least. He is a very good player who is consistent enough (well in grand slams) to be that high. He is also one of my favourite players to watch. YEA DAVYDENKO!!!
     
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  21. Jackie T. Stephens

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    Andy Roddick can own him yeah but DavyDenko maybe has alot of points that maybe why but someones going to catch up to him.
     
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    He is extremely underrated player,he's got amazing footwork,very good on hitting the ball on the rise and IMO the best return in the game,he definitely deserves his place in the top five
     
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    Haven't you seen how easily he got rid of Haas in the US Open? That really impressed me.
     
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  24. Nadal_Freak

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    Davydenko is tons better than Roddick on clay and is close to Roddick on hardcourts. Therefore Davydenko deserves to be ahead of Roddick.
     
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    Repeat after me... No pro in the top of the ATP Tour rankings is average, No pro in the top of the ATP Tour rankings is average, No pro in the top of the ATP Tour rankings is average :mrgreen:

    The point I am trying to make is that the terms, average, sucks, is ok, stinks, marginal, etc., cannot be applied to the top players in the world.

    I am not a fan of Blake's playing style, but he still manages to win enough matches to hold a high rank. The same is true of Davydenko, regardless of his style of play (which many people find boring), he is still an great player, as is any of the top guys.
     
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  26. BurghKing

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    Davy definitely should be #4. Although he may not perform well say, in the quaterfinals or semi's of tournaments, he is still in that position. Roddick and Blake are always good for bowing out early a handful of times during the year. From those that have seen him live, he can smack his groundies, is consistent, and moves great. One day he will get his big win, and then he will be a consistent threat against the other top 8 players.
     
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  27. andyroddick1

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    My point is Roddick beats people ranked lower than him normally. He could beat pretty much anyone but Federer and Djokovic on a consistent basis. He is kind of tied with Nadal in my opinion on grass, better on hard, way way worse on clay.
     
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    I made a thread about him after seeing him at Flushing Meadows. The guy is a phenomenal player. He's a human backboard. His passing shots are unbelievably good and he's solid off of both sides, much like Agassi.

    He absolutely destroyed Tommy Haas. I saw that one in person. His weakness is his serve and possibly his inability to really execute a "kill shot".

    I really like him. He was very pleasant to the crowd at the USO. He's quiet, but he's a good guy and a great player.
     
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  29. stormholloway

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    Let's see... Nadal has made the last two Wimbledon finals, pushing Federer to 4 and 5 sets respectively. Roddick? Beaten by Murray and Gasquet the last two years.

    Tied? Dunno about that.
     
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  30. pow

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    He deserves his points, he has consistent results in all the slams and keeps his health and endurance through the whole year. That's gotta count for something. He may not be the best, but he sure worked hard to be where he is. He really isn't a bad player either; Very solid forehand and backhand.
     
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    Sadly he is.

    I miss 90s tennis.
     
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    Davydenko is an unique player in that he is not great on any surface, but good on most. He is very consistent. Roddick, on the other hand, plays very well on fast hard courts and grass, yet very poorly on clay. Therefore, who is the better player. The consistent one (Davy) or the one more likely to win another slam (Roddick).
     
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    he haven't won a SINGLE title this year... wow lol o_o... even Stepanek won a title o_O
     
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    Davydenko has great consistent results on slams. That's why he is 4th.
     
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    Davydenko always loses in 1st round of Wimbledon and AO. He haven't done anything flashy in a GS. Roddick will take back his 4th and 3rd place.
     
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    Yeah he totally deserves it, he has a very solid game, is consistant on all surfaces (except maybe grass) and he works harder than anyone else on the tour. Good on him.
    He hasn't played Roddick in the last couple of years, but he's been the only player other than Federer to give Nadal a tough time on clay recently (in Rome this year), and may have won a slam if not for Federer.
     
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    Davydenko had been pretty consistent in 3 of the 4 slams over the past couple years. This year especially he has performed extremely well in all four slams even on grass for his standards:

    2 Semifinals (French & US Open)
    1 Quarterfinal (Australian Open)
    4th Round (Wimbledon), I think this is the best it will get for him on this surface because he has a horrible record on grass.
     
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    Then, Roddick should go out and earn the #4 spot in the world. If Roddick could learn to play on clay, he could own the #4 spot...but he is just too stuborn to do it...
     
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  39. Rodditha

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    Nobody in the universe can say that Davydenko has a shot at a GS whereas Roddick yes, he still has a shot. Davydenko is like Dementieva and Hantuchova, they are useless players in the top 10, Robredo too, they are just there.
     
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  40. MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

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    ^^^^^

    Come on now, aside from Roddick's serve what else would you consider not useless about his game besides determination?

    Off the ground Davydenko is one of the best with the way he takes the ball so early on both wings, his serve may somewhat be a liability. But Davydenko deserves his ranking, and unlike Roddick has put in the effort to play on ALL surfaces.
     
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  41. saram

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    Ridiculous statement.

    He made the semi's of last two out of three slams and only lost to Roger and Roger. He also had a break in 5 of six sets against Roger--something others had just as tough of a time to do. Had Davy held serve in those sets he broke Roger, he would have played Rafa and Novak in the finals. When was the last time Andy made it to the semi's of a GS????
     
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    All except grass. Grass isn't that big but still that is where Davydenko seems to struggle most.
     
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  43. saram

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    Roddick has become useless outside of his press conferences...:D
     
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  44. MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

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    Notice I stated in a prior post that he has a horrible grass court record, also I said EFFORT to play on all surfaces. I don't see Roddick excelling on the red dirt anytime soon.
     
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    Ah yeah true. Roddick always gives a half hearted effort during the clay season.
     
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  46. andyroddick1

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    Yes, Davy has made more semis, but Roddick has also had bad luck. If A-Rod had not had to play Fed in the Quarters he would have most probably mad the semi's and if you were watching that Gasquet match, you would have noticed that Gasquet was playing the match of his life. I mean, he hasn't ever been able to escape Fed's side of the draw once this year, so lay off a bit on Davy always makes the semi's because Roddick has had a lot of bad luck with his quarters.
     
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    I think that evrytime clays season arrives Roddick is not making no effort, he is totally absent, he is waiting impaciently for grass season, he isn't fighting, just watch the difference of attitude during the US Open and the FO. Roddick should get some motivation when clay season arrives.
     
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    Funny how everyone plays such a great match when they play Roddick. I guess Roddick's game seems to help players into a great rhythm. He doesn't take the ball early and he doesn't hit a ton of spin.
     
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    How does Davydenko earn other than playing tourneys? Exhibitions, nah..........................snap, bet you can't think of another source of income.
     
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    Notice how Fed has really never come into a A-Rod match without his A game. I mean he played an A game in the US Open Final with a couple game let downs. In Masters, he played an A- for the first set and then elevated to A. At the AO he played his A+ or best that he can play sort of game. In the U.S. he played A the entire match.
     
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