Is Davydenko really the 4th Best in the world.

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  1. Rodditha

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    What the hell ? Is he still a wall when Blake destroys him ?
    Roddick and Blake's game are similar i wouldn't see why Roddick would not do the same as Blake.
    A Roddick-Davydenko match would clearly go in favor of Roddick.
     
  2. lonestar

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    On clay – no way! :)
     
  3. MaratSafin_fan

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    Davydenko is a great player! He is playing more tournaments then others at top 10 and he gets a lot of ATP-points that way!
     
  4. Ronny

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    thus the reason he deserves to be #4. He is the only top 10 atp player that is fit enough to play all those tournaments and anyone who can play that many tournaments deserves it.
     
  5. callitout

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    Head to head is clearly not the way to determine a ranking.
    Otherwise Nadal would be ranked ahead of Fed. Wayne Ferreira would've been ranked ahead of the great Pete Sampras through 1999. Sure it is an anomaly that some players dont match-up as well against others, and you might even recognize that there is more parity within the top 20 than many people acknowledge, but you dont rank simply by head to head.
     
  6. Andres

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    That's a weird way to define 'last year' :D
     
  7. Andres

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    Nnnno, they're not.
     
  8. Rhino

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    Hello Andres. he's a fool to argue with a man who has 7000 posts :)
     
  9. saram

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    Blake destroys Rafa. So I guess Rafa does not deserve to be #2 in the world? Again, your logic is in question....:confused:
     
  10. Klatu Verata Necktie

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    Blake usually defeats Davydenko, but some of the talk in this thread makes it sound as if Davydenko rolls over every time he encounters Blake. The times I've seen them play, the result has been a Blake victory, but it has never been easy and effortless. Blake has always had to pull some incredible and difficult shots out of his backside in order to win.

    Davydenko is a very consistent player. He doesn't get much love because IMO he's not lovable. He doesn't have the weapons of a Nadal or Federer, and he has the personality of a wet sack of mud.
     
  11. MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

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    Technically...

    ;) Technically Davydenko is ranked 4th, and until Roddick catches up ranking wise I think it's fair to say Davydenko is really the 4th best. ;)
     
  12. jhhachamp

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    I don't think their games are similar.
     
  13. Rodditha

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    Why are you saying that ?
     
  14. daddy

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    Actually I do thikng they may have some resemblence. Pscychicly more than anything else, the going for all or nting shot sna d many other things. Obviously techniquie is different but strategy similar, if not the same ..
     
  15. daddy

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    Oh no on clay no ... Davy is by far better than roddick+blake on clay, too much movement behind the ball and precision shots vs bullying play sorry mate but I think this way ..
     
  16. avmoghe

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    The rankings are a measure of demonstrated results... not playing ability.

    "Who has produced the best tennis results" and "who has the best playing" ability are different questions. The rankings strictly address the former..
     
  17. Rodditha

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    Rhino i'm a she.
     
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  19. Wuornos

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    I think Davydenko is worthy of the number 4 slot.

    As many of you know I calculate my own rankings which are based only on results in the majors.

    Achievement points earned in the past 12 months are as follows.

    1. Roger Federer 193
    2. Rafael Nadal 84
    3. Novak Đoković 77
    4. Nikolay Davydenko 40
    5. Andy Roddick 36
    6. Fernando González 34
    7. Richard Gasquet 25
    8. David Ferrer 20
    9. Tommy Haas 17
    10. Carlos Moyà 16

    I believe these rankings are more reflective of quality of play and are less volume sensitive than the official rankings with regard to number of tournaments played.

    Tim
     
  20. andyroddick1

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    Roddick could beat Blake becauses Blake couldn't break Roddick's serve nearly as easily. Plus Blake has less power, more speed, but less power.
     
  21. musicalmedic81

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    I think Blakes FH is slightly bigger and flatter than Roddicks. Its less consistent, but when he cranks it, its huge. Probably bigger than Gonzo's. Roddicks inside out FH is better and more penetrating than Blakes, but overall, Blake can place his FH better.
     
  22. tennis_hand

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    Roddick's this shot may be good, but just look at where he stands after he hits an inside-out forehand. lol..
     
  23. coloskier

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    Take points divided by the number of tournaments and he isn't even close. There are 6 or 7 ahead of him if you use that equation. Of course, some tournaments are worth more than others, but he plays so many tournaments that you should only be able to count the top 10-12 tournaments for your total points. I believe you can count your top 18 right now.
     
  24. Rhino

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    Who else made 2 or more grand slam semifinals this year?
    Only Federer (#1), Nadal (#2), and Djokovic (#3).
    Nobody else from #5 down was good enough to achieve this, so of course he's the fourth best player in the world.
     
  25. superman1

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    Yeah, but Roddick probably would have made the Open semifinals if he hadn't run into Federer in the quarters. A lot of it is just luck of the draw.
     
  26. superman1

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    Yeah, but Roddick probably would have made the Open semifinals if he hadn't run into Federer in the quarters. A lot of it is just luck of the draw.

    He was also pretty damn close to making the Wimbledon semifinals. I'll still take Roddick over Davydenko.
     
  27. Slazenger

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    He is what his ranking says he is. Basta.
     
  28. tangerine

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    He's consistenly mediocre, I'll give you that. But overplaying in half a dozen mickey mouse tournys to steal some free points doesn't automatically translate into him being a better player than the likes of Roddick, who's slam results over the years are much more impressive.
     
  29. Rhino

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    'would have' and 'pretty damn close' are not what the rankings are based on.
    Davydenko was able to defeat his quarterfinal opponents at the French and at the US Open. He also did a lot better at Wimbledon than Roddick did at Roland Garros.
     
  30. Rhino

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    'Results over the years' don't mean a lot in the rankings either I'm afraid, otherwise we'd have Hewitt and Safin in the top 5 still wouldn't we.
    The fact is, that as much as you would like to atribute Davydenkos rankings to smaller 'mickey mouse' tournaments, he has done better during the last 12 months than Roddick in the big tournaments when it counts. 2 slams semis and a slam quarter, plus round of 16 at Wimbledon, plus a Masters Series title (and two semifinals).
    Whats Roddick managed? One semi, two quarters, and a first round at the majors, plus his best result at the Master series events is a lone semifinal.
    He's lucky to still be in the top 5 but in fact it is ironically the smaller tournaments like Washington and Queens that keep him there.
     
  31. kingdaddy41788

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    No. He's a cheating hack. I hope he gets expelled from the ATP.
     
  32. Rhino

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    I bet you do. How else will you get an american back into the top 4 in the next couple of years :)
     
  33. kingdaddy41788

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    I could care less if there's an American in the top 4. Most of them seem to be jerks anyway. Roddick, for example, is a jerk. He's funny, and I like watching his press conferences because of that (especially when he loses), but he's still clearly a jerk sometimes.
     
  34. Rhino

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    OK true enough (although Spadea isn't a jerk), but you can't cheat your way to 3255 ranking points. He got them by defeating people.
     
  35. Rodditha

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    You are a jerk to call him like that, Roddick is cool, he just have more attitude than the others.
    Why don't you call Federer a jerk for being so boring.
     
  36. kingdaddy41788

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    I've come into contact with Roddick personally - he can be a jerk. I haven't had the same experience with Federer.
     
  37. J-man

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    I agree. I'd have to say Blake's forehand overall is better. One thing Blake has going for him is where he stands and I, personally think Blake's forehand since it is fatter than Roddicks forehand it penetrates more.
     
  38. saram

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    I sure hope you don't sit on a jury. To you, everyone is guilty until proven innocent....
     
  39. my_forehand

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    Roddick isn't a jerk
    He's just funny :)
     
  40. Alex132

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    hes a youngsta lol

    he thinks hes funny i guess....most interviews i have seen of him he is like...ok, whatever to all questions
     
  41. joebicko

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    Yes, Roddick is a jerk, and Federer is not boring at all, if you know the game of tennis.
     
  42. tangerine

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    Lots of people who know plenty about the game of tennis also thought Sampras was boring.
     
  43. rommil

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    He's funny(to some people). He's a jerk. He's a funny jerk. Whatever he is he deserves to be where he is and he wil not get further than that in the future. I see him rolling down hill with his PD.
     
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    Roddick is funny :confused:. Which part saying sooooooooooo :confused:.
     
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    If it's the same ranking system that has granted Roddick his best ranking then Kolya deserves number 4. Maybe the Roddick fans can sign petitions to the ranking system AND to Davydenko PLEADING Roddick to give the 4th spot. That might bear more positive outcomes rather than waiting and wishing when Roddick will produce his next "breakthrough".
     
  46. tangerine

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    So, in conclusion: No.
     
  47. BackHander22

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    I would say Davydenko is one of the most consistent players results-wise on the tour.
     
  48. saram

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    I am so tired of "would have" and "should have" when discussing Andy. Davydenko DID.
     
  49. zagor

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    Davydenko is NOT ahead of Roddick because he wins more small tournaments,he is ahead because he has better slam results,he has two semis,one QF and 4th round at Wimbledon,while Roddick has two QF's,one semi and a first round at French.
     
  50. superman1

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    And what if Roddick didn't draw Federer in the quarters at the US Open? What if Davydenko was drawn Federer instead? Rankings sometimes lie. You can pad them with small tournaments, and you can get luckier than the guy ranked next to you with the draw.
     

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