Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Nadalator, Apr 3, 2009.
The title says it all.
What are your thoughts after the Miami semifinal match?
Which one is it?
Djokovic looked almost as lost out there as Federer.
I think Federer got rid of his old coaches because they told him he has to work hard to stay at the top, and Federer just wanted to vacation 12 months a year instead.
Novak is not back but he is getting there, you cant blame either Novak or Fed, they got sunny 1PM match with wind..
As I remember, Murray was even more pathetic playing in the wind, so I'm not sure who's going to clean who's clock.
I definitely think Dojokovic will rise again and play great tennis similar to part of last year. He is truly that talented. But, this match today isn't really a sign of that. I wouldn't say he's "back" because of this win. He didn't play that well. But, any win over a top rival has to provide a little confidence.
I`m not excusing anyone (I actually hate that), it is a fact it was sunny and windy out there.
Yes, IW final was more windy but so what?? Nadal is playing good with wind.
Both players are terrible.
It reminded me of Olympics with Fed-Berdych.
IMO, both players should have been eliminated from the tournament after that display and forced to play on the WTA for a while.
Djokovic is not back, he needs to switch back to XOne Biphase to play like in his glory days.
you could be onto something here
Djokovic looked much improved in previous matches, not as good today. Federer was lost in a sea of UE though, and has been like that for the past year or so. Although I still believe in Fed's astonishing abilities, IMO he's a level down from, say, 2 years ago. Djokovic, meanwhile, has yet to hit the form he displayed last season.
haha, that'd grow some publicity for the sport.
Stop making that unintelligent comparison. In case you didn't know, Emerson retired holding the grand slam record, amateur or not. Hopefully Federer can do the same.
Guess you didn't see the match if you don't know the answer to this one.
Djokovic: I don't think he found the form yet. He just took the wide window of oppotunity Federer opened. Bascially this match did not really give Djokovic any good chance to test his game at the top level.
Federer: I don't think he is declining fast. Considering his two of heart-breaking loss to Nadal at Wimbledon and Australian Open, I think Federer is copying with it exceptionally well. But I don't think he is handling the #2 status very well. That's probably all. Maybe changes in his personal life might be affecting. Who knows.
But you know nobody has not stopped him reaching slam finals yet and nobody has beaten healthy Federer convincingly(like in straight sets) at slams yet.
I would say todays match was more a sign of how bad Federer was. For Djokovic its hard to say in a way. He didnt really beat anyone that good playing that well yet this tournament. Tsonga was very bad for his standards, and Federer was even worse. However you still have to win the matches and he has so I guess that is a good sign for him regardless how his opponents are playing.
Fed was pathetic today
No confidence on forehand. He was playing fine until 5-1 serving for the first set, then everything went downhill.
It's sad to see him self destruct like that. Djoko wasn't any thing special today, but just hang there long enough for Fed to self destruct with those forehands.
Oh well, he lost an opportunity to go to the final and possibly win a title this year. It's going to be even tougher now going to the clay season. I wouln't be surprised if Fed doesn't win any title when FO begins.
Oh well. Sad. But if you aren't playing well then there isn't a whole lot you can do.
Federer's main goal in clay seasons (2 tournaments) before French Open should be to get a chance to play Nadal.
I agree on your first point and have been saying since the beginning of the year that Djokovic has a way to go to regain his earlier form. He played a clever game against Federer, so he gets pluses for mental attitude but his overall game was very poor.
Federer is on his way down and has been since about Wimby. The continual maladies that are his excuses for no accomplishment get tiresome. First its "slight" mono, whatever that may mean, then its an unexplained back problem that bothers him but does not make him take a month off for the "problem" to heal. Sad actually. He needs to pull his act together or, I know I will get tarred for this, but .......... retire. He is a multi, multi millionaire. Marry the mother of your child and enjoy life for the next 50 years or whatever.
I'm still stunned that Novak actually finished a match. Makes me wonder....
So i missed the Federer Djokovic match, and i keep hearing about how bad Federer played. How did he play in comparison to his last match. How did Djokovic play in comparison to Roddick?
Federers still got the game, he just lacks the consistancy and today he had none after the first set.
I'd say Roddick played better. Djokovic didn't do anything special and generally wasn't playing that great, Roger just fell apart. Credit to Novak for not losing focus though and doing what needed to be done.
Now read back what you wrote...about Murray (who looked like I was playing in that IW final...)
Simply put.. it was the worst match between number 2 and 3.
So the answer to the topic is neither
2008 French Open Final
Nadal def. Federer
6-1, 6-3, 6-0
Well Said, Roddick fought hard and gave it everything he had and Fed still beat him. The Fed that played Roddick was completely different from the one that played Novak. That match was in my opinion definitive proof Fed needs to get a coach and he needs one stat. Fed completely lost it and his breaking the racquet is perfect proof. Fed is in need of some serious mental revamping at this point and based on his results lately he can't do it on his own. I say he either gets a coach or his results may just get worse and his ranking will go that way soon to. If he doesn't get it together his chances of Getting Pete's record may be over.
I guess eating a bagel at the French Open final last year doesn't count, eh? :???:
This is why Federer's career might take a hit.He mental game is very poor.If he continues at this rate he is not better then sampras.
Since when do Slams prove that Fed's too great?
He needed tons of help in Slams from Roddick 5 times, and from Berdych, Tipsy, Djoko, Nadal, Davydenko, Andreev and Agassi twice.
Federer needed Roddick's pansy tank jobs on 3 match points in Shanghai, and on break points in unrespected tournaments, including Cincinnati and Thailand when he was injured. nothing new.
Federer can't coast on talent alone anymore. He needs to work hard off the court and dedicate himself to the game a little bit more than before since he's getting older. But maybe he's too hard headed to admit that he needs to do that. If he doesn't do that his career will fall off further and faster. Not that it bothers me either. But he needs outside help and more work off the court. It's obvious now.
Personaly I just think that Fed is over. To me here are the factors killiong Feds game :
- Tennisticaly Fed has a big problem with high balls on his backhand side he just can't deal with them. Fed HAS to do like Nadal and go back to school and WORK HEAVILY on that side. Rafa did it and just see how crosscourt and sometimes down the line he lines up some nice flat beautiful backhands. So why can't Fed do something about that ?
- Then mentally Federer is really showing how weak he is in his concentration... I just can't understand how a guy can brillantly win a first set against Murray or Djoko and just by his own explode and decline
- His forehand is letting him down match by match ! He's craking more often than not on that side every time he plays the big 3 (Murray, Djoko, Nadal).
- He doesn't have a coach... Wich to every specialist is a big error of him ! He just can't do the work alone !!
- Fed is possessed by Rafa and Murray !! Psycologicaly, Rafa and Murray has Fed... Murray won the 4 last matches opposing him to Fed and most of them Fed won the 1rst set... Nadal leads Fed by 9 to 4 in their confrontations !! That plays a big role !!
- And one last thing to me is that Fed lost that winning thing himself admitted that Rafa broke that star where he just used to win simply because the players aren't afraid of playing fed like before !! So I guess there was an emancipation of the spirit the players could have when to went ou to play Fed -- They now say "I can beat him".
Yes I quite agree. I still think tennis needs him around because although Murray and Djokovic are perfoming well at the moment, in the long term it is difficult to see whether they can stand the big test of time during the season.
Federer has to go away. Obviously the new era of tennis has begun, and he's not part of it.
If this is the new era of tennis than count me out, anyone want some rackets?
It was Failderer tanking faster than Chokeović could retire.
that problem was for the dominant federer. now he can't deal with almost all types of shots to his backhand, since murray can abuse that side without putting much topspin. just get it in his backhand all the time then wait for the error.
OK, by everyone who's saying that Djokovic is far from his best, I just wonder what whould he do if he's at his best - wining every tournament maybe???
Novak did what he had to do to beat Roger and full credit to him for doing that.
Whether that means Novak is back on top of his game is debatable - he still didn't look at his best to me.
looking at their game, I think Djoker played better but he's not yet back but he's holding up.....i know he could give more and go to a higher level in his game.....and Fed is constantly declining making unforced error uncharacteristically.......
Djokovic should never have gone away! He is one of the big hopefuls which is just what tennis needs. If Federer is in decline and Nadal will be one day, then there has to be a player who will make it to the top and at least manage to stay there
Murray @ 1.50 is the bet of the century!
I'm going huge on that.
That's funny. But yeah, Federer grip is slipping pretty fast now. When was Djokovic really here anyway. He kind of just hangs around the top on talent and overconfidence.(a little oversimplified but pretty damn close.)
Scratch the overconfidence. Seriously, he doesn't seem confident now.
I do agree that it is his pure talent that keeps him competitive. I hope he will get his act together, I really like his attacking game.
Well, certainly this is a plus for Djokovic and should help him regain his confidence, but I'd say the biggest factor behind the result was definitely Federer's shocking form.
djokovic lost a set 6-2 against a fed who couldnt keep three balls in. he had to bunt it back to win the match. he al least used his head to win unlike fed who tried to kill everything
WHat's your IQ -- 42???
But you just hang in there on overconfidence...
Pathetic comments -- when he kicked everyone's behinds prior to this match, fans were cheering that he's right behind Nadal.. Now all of a sudden, Fed is in "shocking" form...
Was Murray in a "shocking" form 2 weeks ago?
I thought is was 6-3 in the first set.......:cry::cry::cry::cry:
That is correct.
Federer played well most of the time in the first set. He started making atrocious UEs while leading 5 1 in the first, Djokovic used this and eventually won two games. He could not win the first set, however.
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