Is Djokovic changing the game??

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  1. Black Knight

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    Having just watched the final of the OZ open、I couldn't help but wonder if I was witnessing another turning point in the game. Everyone mentions how the advances in strings and racquets have produced today's power game, but looking at Djokovic outlast (outrun? out-retrieve?) Nadal the other day, despite the 31 shot rallies at 110%, I wondered if he isn't taking the game in another dimension? Can the stroke-making genius of Federer keep up as is against the type of player who gets into the position for everything in time to get everything back with more than a casual slice? You can see why Federer's head drops when the rallies and matches get longer against these guys.

    Love Federer, but saw his days numbered in last weekends final.
    Is tennis turning a new corner??
     
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  2. Nathaniel_Near

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    Has been for a while but it's not Djokovic, it's the surfaces. He wouldn't thrive like this on significantly faster surfaces, I'd wager. I think a guy like Murray would be helped tremendously were all the surfaces a bit quicker. Roger, without question, would be helped. Even Tsonga would have a much MUCH more realistic chance at a Slam.

    This is just a period among many periods in tennis and things will change again. Nole is quite impressive but I've seen more impressive sights on a tennis court.
     
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  3. Clarky21

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    Did Magneto invent tennis as well? Come on,people. Cvac is great and all,but he is not revolutionizing the game. There were others before him that played a very similar style,and there will be some after him as well. If not for Dr.Igor people would still be calling him a one slam wonder. The hype about him is really becoming nauseating.
     
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  4. OddJack

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    What's changing is rivals on the top.

    It's now Djoko_Murray

    Nadal will scatter some dust on clay before he goes away from the so called "Rivalry"
     
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  5. cc0509

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    It is only going to get worse because he will be dominant this year as well most likely. Just imagine if he wins the FO, lol.
     
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  7. Clarky21

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    Yeah,I know. I never liked him anyway. His style is too robotic for me. I also don't find him likeable,and nothing about his game is awe inspiring. He doesn't have Fed's almost dancer like movement or ability to hit whichever shot whenever he feels like it with ease,or Nadal's fight,passion and unique style. He is almost like a bland part of the scenery for me. Nothing stands out about him. Generic is a good word to describe Cvac.
     
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  8. nereis

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    No, Novak does everything the average player on tour does but better. There is nothing unique about the way he hits the ball but he's just on another level ability-wise to them.
     
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  9. Cup8489

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    I think this is the best poast of thread. That is all.
     
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    Nah, he has a beautiful ground game with one of the best two handed backhands I have seen, plus his movement and defense are unbelievable. Great athlete. In addition he has the best return of serve in the game currently. (his return of serve is not as good as agassi's yet but he may get there)
     
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    Beautiful? No way. Fed's ground game is beautiful,but Cvac's? Snap out of it,cc. You're starting to fall over to the dark side. Lol.
     
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    Yeah, I wouldn't call his shots beautiful either. Some of them look awkward and some appear painful.

    He, through his style, isn't changing the game. But his stamina and endurance are. To beat him, you either have to outhit him (like Federer) or outlast him (don't know if anyone can do that at this point).
     
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    Fed's game is beautiful and to me nobody compares to him in that regard but I do find aspects of Djokovic's game impressive. Best two-handed bh, just perfect form and insane flexibility and movement. He out defends Nadal and that is something.
     
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    That's hilarious considering you are the one who has been hyping Magneto and running down Rafito in every poast since you joined :D.
     
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  15. Nathaniel_Near

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    Clarky is the GOAT poster here.
     
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    Glad I can be of service, sometimes a picture describes my feelings better than I can.

    Agree with you guys. Sure, he does everything MUCH better than everyone is and his fitness right now is out of this world. But to me his style is very, very generic and boring. If he was a milk carton, the carton would be completely white and just say "Milk" in black letters :D
     
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    I do agree that Djoker's game is generic and dull sometimes. He hits more or less with one pace, with the odd drop-shot and such. By comparison, Nadal looks like a variety king, however he is less offensively oriented than Nole so I still prefer the Serb.
     
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    They are going to start raising the net and bringing the baseline in by six inches for Djokovic only, starting next year.
     
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    Did I make all of these "Djokovic has the best" threads? Nope,I sure didn't.

    I did say he has a goat overhead,though. The best in the business.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPoKUbTojxU
     
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  20. Backhanded Compliment

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    ^^Hilarious!

    I think this normalizing of the surfaces needs to stop (the one ring??) and allow the tactics for the surfaces to drift apart from one another once again. With Murray looking very serious I bet Wimbledon's courts will be faster this year, either for the championships or Olympics. Murray and Nadal do volley much better than Nole and Murray has the serve if Lendl can teach him to use it in the clutch. I want RG to be the slowest possible surface... let it be red quicksand this year!

    I miss the personality of the diverse surfaces.
     
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  21. dudeski

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    Do you mean butt picking, never ending OCDs, MTO, time delaying and intimidation tactics?
     
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  22. Mike Sams

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    Stupid post! When Nadal and Federer were racking up Slam after Slam, it was all pure talent and hard work. Now that Djokovic is kicking their A$$es and everybody else's and taking all the Slams, it's just hype. Heard it all now! :lol:
     
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  23. Mike Sams

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    You're just angry because he's smashing your beloved Rafa! :lol:
    As for Djokovic lacking passion and fight...did you see the AO final this year? Or any of the other finals Djokovic won throughout 2011?
     
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  24. Mike Sams

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    Federer's game is USELESS against Nadal. And that is where the real test is my son! Federer has been denied in 9 Grand Slams by Nadal and all these years he's still clueless on how to play Nadal.
     
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  25. dudeski

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    The hateful butthurt stupidity of Clarky21 makes each Djokovic's victory so much more enjoyable. Suck it Clarky21!
     
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  26. Nathaniel_Near

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    Valid!

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  27. Mike Sams

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    What do you expect from Clarky? He's still pretending to be a female on this forum. :lol:
     
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  28. Mike Sams

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    What's even funnier is that as soon as Nadal began losing consistently to Djokovic last year in the Spring and Clay Masters, Nadal was suddenly considered 'past his prime' at the grand old age of......24!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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  29. Sentinel

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    Đoković is certainly changing everyone's food habits the world over.

    The bagel, breadstick and pizza industry may suffer as a consequence. Wheat production may shut down affecting 3rd world countries leading to a world war. Now that is pretty game changing.
     
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  30. Nathaniel_Near

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    So he isn't changing the game but is impacting on the global economy negatively.
     
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  31. mcenroefan

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    IMO, Nole has taken the game to a new level.
     
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  32. Mike Sams

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    "Who can keep up?" :)
     
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  33. Sentinel

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    Well, his dad's pizza factroy or bakery will have to shut down.
     
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  34. monfed

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    Now imagine what Federer fans think of Nadal's game. :lol:
     
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    ^^I can see how people think it's ugly, but it's far from cookie-cutter and generic and/or boring. I like Federer's style too.
     
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    This should probably be linked to Nathaniel Near's post here:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=411833

    Because basically, they're talking of the same subject. Is Djokovic changing the game? He sure isn't. However, after Nadal before him, he's taking full advantage of the ITF policy in:
    - slowing down all the courts (which makes it much easier for physical 'freaks' to run down each and every ball)
    - turning a blind eye to/covering up doping (which enables people to create said physical freaks)

    So he's not really changing tennis. The change came with Nadal in 2005, but some people didn't see it coming at the time since Federer was still winning. But when Djokovic decided to take the same road at the end of 2010, we sure saw the difference (and we'll soon see with Murray, too). Problem is, the guys have just no choice if they want to make an impact on the game at the moment.

    Oh, and if ITF doesn't change its policy, you can be sure that Djokovic and Nadal will be physical midgets compared to the top players we will get in a few years. They aren't quite able to run faster than every ball just yet, but the next generation probably will be. Darwinian evolution in sports through doping. And yeah, it's pretty damn sad.
     
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  37. djokovic2008

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    Djoker is very good on fast sufaces too, in 08 he was very efficent indoors, don't forget he won the end of season shanghai championships indoors. Then granted his serve was better which helped him but he can flatten his shots too which makes him good on fast surfaces, he is an all court player.
     
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  38. monfed

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    :lol:

    Unless he comes to the net to close out points instead of rallying like a madman for 30-40 shots, he's still very much a baseliner in most people's eyes. He's just a better version of Nadal but allcourter he is not!
     
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    Djokovic has the most intense hard court slides I've seen, going into full on gumby mode at times. Is that catching on with other players? (or did he copy that from someone else?)
     
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    He is taking tennis to a whole new level.
    Nobody was as good as he is in taking the ball on the riise, BH and FH. No one before returned serve like he does.
    Best hand eye coordination ever, even superior to Agassi's.
     
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  41. Slice&Smash

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    I agree with this 100%. It was Nadal who took the game to the next level, physically and style wise. Djokovic is merely a better version of Nadal.
     
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    Novak's true test is coming up. If he can slay the bull at Roland Garros, hes probably a fit candidate for the GOAT discussion.
     
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  43. djokovic2008

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    An all courter can play on ALL surfaces which he can!
     
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  44. Rozroz

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    this is very true
     
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    Djokovic is PEDing out of his mind. Thats it. History is not going to be kind to him.
     
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  46. Rozroz

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    in that case, so are the other top 2.
     
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    I think it is a classic case of EPO triumphing over HGH
     
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  48. monfed

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    And Ralph is not? The one man spanish armada has been winning slams since 2005 ,making slam finals left n right(7/8 at present) and is currently in his 8th yr of potentially winning slams with the MOST physically gruelling style of tennis, yet there's no signs of slowing down! :shock:
    Federer with the most efficient game the world has ever seen had 8 slam winning years but is clearly in terminal decline. Ralph is nowhere near Fed's level of decline, doesn't that shock you?
     
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  49. Rozroz

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    LOL.
    so it's 50% Tennis rivalry, 50% drug war.
    this is madness.

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    Ralph is PEDing harder than Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong doing the tango at Alberto Contadors bachelor party. It doesnt shock me.
     
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