Is Djokovic changing the game??

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  1. monfed

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    Truer words have never been spoken!
     
  2. Sentinel

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    Players have to take the fitness to a new level so in that way he's changing the game.
    But his basic game is just a matter of keeping the ball in play with very good power off of both wings, maintaining consistency.
    The ROS is very good and court movement is about the best.

    Just a lot of things done very well, everything was there awhile back but he improved almost all of them.

    Then the mental area is a huge improvement, he doesn't let anything derail his game, this area impressed me the most but comes from having great fitness.
    He doesn't have to worry about managing his energy through the match and can push hard as he wants all match if necessary.
     
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    Djokovic was a weezer with a penchant for retirements. Now thanks to the shake weight he is the fittest guy on tour? You are blind if you cannot see he is blatantly PEDing
     
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    Yes, with the level of tennis he plays. The big part of it is his on-court stretching and ability to slide on all surfaces.

    John McEnroe, yesterday:

     
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    I laughed at this, but it could have been better. There are so many silly names for Lance and Contador. There's Lance Pharmstrong, Dopedstrong, Fraudstrong. Contador's best is Contadoper.
     
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    Neither Nole, nor Rafa, nor Murray would get to all those balls if courts and balls were as fast as they were in the 90s.

    In a really fast hard court (or fast low-skidding-indoor-carpet), with small and fast balls, no matter how quick you are, you are not going to get to flat powerful shots to the open court.

    What have actually changed is the slowness of courts and specially balls (fluffier, bigger, slower balls).

    It reminds me a lot of the 70s european very slow red clay and playing with wood: nobody could hit a winner past Borg.

    But back then it was only 1/3 of the season, now it is almost the entire season with this slowness as hell conditions everywhere.
     
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    I think Djokovic will not be considered officially an all courter until he at least makes a final at Roland Garros. He's yet to beat a Federer or Nadal in the clay Slam.
     
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  10. monfed

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    Nope, till he develops a good net game+transitional game he can't be considered an allcourter.
     
  11. FlamEnemY

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    Ugh. Lets go over this again.

    All-surface player is someone who is "equally" successful on all surfaces.

    Think Agassi.

    All-court player is someone who utilizes every possible part of the court.

    Think... Oh, wait.
     
  12. monfed

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    Being successful on all surfaces isn't as relevant as it was back in the 90s due to court homogenization.



    Something Novak doesn't do.
     
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    It is probably quite true. For years he used to get tired easy. Now, after a downward spiral, he rebounds to new heights? I don't know, I'm very suspicious. I wouldn't be surprised if Fed and Nadal aren't on something, but I think Novak has something better.
     
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    You are posting out of your mind. Gluten allergy can be very limiting, ask anyone who has had it. It causes severe breathing problems to many. Once you remove gluten, one is able to breathe and compete normally.
     
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    An "All Courter" has nothing to do with what surface your playing on son. Rather if you can play baseline, serve and volley, chip and charge, lob, drop shot etc.

    Tactic variety in essence.

    That is your lesson for today son.
     
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    Since he has supposedly removed the gluten and can now breathe normally,why does he still bug his eyes out and suck air like a fish out of water on court? If the source of his breathing trouble has been eliminated he shouldn't have those problems anymore so why does he still do it?
     
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    I don't think he's changing the game at all. If anything, Nadal changed the game more, by moving his clay court game, to hard and grass courts.

    This was probably facilitated by organizers slowing down the courts, at the request of stupid fans and the media, claiming that the serve and volley game (at Wimbledon) was boring.

    I'm hoping that there will be a paradigm shift again, and we'll see courts speeding up, so that players with more aggressive games have a greater chance of an upset.

    Right now, it's really difficult for the big hitters to pull off an upset in a best of 5.
     
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    I do it all of the time. It helps you get more oxygen in your body, slows your heart rate down faster and helps keep you relaxed.

    Its one of the reasons why his stamina is so good.
     
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    I don't know whether you are being serious or just pulling my leg. It's not like you'll never run out of breath. Maybe he was pushed beyond what he trained for. Or maybe he has not worked on his endurance much in the off-season --- may have been partying or resting.

    Or maybe Uncle Toni slipped in some gluten into his soup or banana -- i think that's it ... Joker should look out for breadcrumbs :D
     
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    Definitely.It was already very boring a few years ago, but with him, it is even more.
     
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    No,it's not the same as being out of breath for FrankenCvac. He did the bug eyed fish out of water thing for years,and if it was being caused by the gluten,he should be breathing more normally instead of looking as distressed as he does. Sorry,but the gluten free diet is nothing more than a red herring. Same as his "egg". I don't buy any of it,and never have.
     
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    You can tell the people that play tennis here and who do not.

    Anyone who does knows what these guys are doing physically is pretty much impossible at that duration without assistance. Also, if you talk to anyone who has tour experience candidly they will tell you there are all kinds of things people take..mental focus enhancements..etc. Baseball players who barely sweat take PEDs, but you really think tennis players do not?

    lol.
     
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    YOU.....are nauseating. Seriously.
     
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    I've never read more miserable posts from a single person on the entire internet. Seriously, go get help. 3200 negative posts in a few months tells me that there are serious underlying issues and a grave need to constantly express yourself and to be listened to.
     
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    Didn't you see how he sprints all over the court?
    No matter his fitness level, if you push to your limits it's tiring.
    If he didn't breath hard I'd be more concerned about how he does it.

    Before I used to wonder how he got tired so easy, one time IIRC he retired because of a sore throat. :) That was a good one lol.
     
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    What was inside Murray's water bottle during the Djokovic match which he kept drinking even in between points? Must be some kind of drug.:)
     
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    1) Yes, I agree.

    2) Never said that he does.

    I wanted to clear up what those terms mean.
     
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    which would stand out more in a typical grocer filled with obnoxious brands and icons ;)

    .. Maybe that's how he reinvented the game? By simplifying it
     
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    Djokovic is just one forehand return winner better than federer.
     
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    It's cool,we're on the same page. ;)
     
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    I think Nole's shots look quite smooth and fluid. He has definitely raised the bar. Obviously not as much as Federer did, but now he is the new pacesetter.

    Fed = all-courter
    Nadal = defensive baseliner
    Novak = offensive baseliner
     
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    I'd go with this assessment as well.
     
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    Okay, but not in the traditional sense. I think an all-court player serve-volleys from time to time. Djokovic doesn't s/v very much. If you look at only his serve and groundstrokes you would probably say he plays/attacks from the baseline. Yes he has excellent netplay, but so does Nadal.
     
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    No.

    Ten botchered volleys.
     
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    yes, and a missed overhead. I just don't think netplay is a weakness for Djokovic or Nadal. They both seem very able to come in and finish a point. But I don't think this makes either of them an all-court player.
    Just as Sampras was more of a serve-volleyer, I would consider Djokovic more of a baseliner. Federer, on the other hand, serve/volleys from time to time, even at RG. To me it's the style of tennis that gives one the label of all-courter, SV, or baseliner.
     
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    When someone says Nadal or Djokovic has excellent netplay, or that they have the best volleys on tour, somewhere a kitten dies.
     
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    Exactly. Their net game is adequate for their needs. However, it simply can't be called excellent.

    Now, for all I know, both of them may have the ability to become excellent at the net, but the current conditions simply don't allow it.
     
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    I didn't say best volleyer of all time. Good enough to get him to #1 in the Fed era.
     
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    Djokovic is an all-court player. Period.
     
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    Depends on your definition of all-court player. I think it is someone who serve and volleys at times. I don't think Novak does this very often, so I say he is more of a baseliner.
     
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    Can you find reliable sources which disagree that Djokovic is an all-court player?
     
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    No. Just no.

    You *have* seen him play, haven't you? ;)
     
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    Djokovic is a baseliner, and 50 articles won't change that.
     
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    Djokovic comes to the net about 5 times in the entire Australian Open tournament. He is by far the most extreme baseliner in today's tennis. You have to have a balance game between net game and baseline game to be an all-court player. Djokovic doesn't have that at all. He stays mostly at the baseline, and rarely ever comes to the net.

    Don't jump on the Bandwagon media just because Djokovic is the current hotness in tennis.
     

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