Is Djokovic still in Nadal's head?

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  1. TheF1Bob

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    Of course all the Nadal fans deny this. They think because he defeated guys who are a nightmare match up for their hero, it means he's GOAT. Fact is, Novak defeated Nadal in Monte Carlo. Nadal wasn't at his best but you could say the same about Novak, who was just the better player in clutch moments. That's it.
     
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    Personally, I think the main difference between M-C and Rome final is the way Djoko and Fed approached the match (night and day). Djoko started ultra aggressive and painting the lines and Rafa wasn't able to settle into the match before practically the second set whereas Fed got tentative and nervous very quicly (expecting the worst I'm sure), piling up errors, which gave Rafa even more confidence. So once again, what I see is how drastically match-ups influence the perceived level of a player.
    Dimi pushed Rafa in M-C the same way Gulbis pushed Rafa in Rome and Tsonga came back a bit, similar to the way Fed came back toward the end of the Rome final. Also Ferrer had a match point in Madrid and pushed Rafa again in Rome. So I'm not convinced there was a huge difference of level between Rafa in M-C, Madrid and Rafa now. What's for sure is that he's survived a number of tight battles these last few weeks and that can only help his confidence. The more tight matches one survives, the more invincible one feels. And Rafa is at a place right now where he has so much belief, it will take an awful lot to knock him down. If he was to play that 2nd set TB vs Novak now, he would feel mentally much stronger and would not fold the way he did in M-C imo.
     
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  3. Clarky21

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    I do too. Mike Shamalamadingdong seems to be crushing on Nadal badly.
     
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  4. JohnnyMac Fan!

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    Exactly the point!
     
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  5. JohnnyMac Fan!

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    Novak has amazing comeback abilities!!!

    Mate...I love your avatar!!!.. it ROCKS!!
     
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  6. Agassifan

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    It is definitely a match up problem.
     
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  7. The-Champ

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    Oh I'm sure Djokovic really wants to play Nadal at RG right?
     
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    Lol... so true!
     
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    No, but Rafa is still in Fed's head.
     
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    At this point I don't even think it's that. Federer just isn't the player he used to be anymore, and even in his prime, facing Rafa on clay was a reach.
     
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    That's why Federer dropshots and slices so much against Nadal in rallies. The signs of a player who just doesn't want to grind.
     
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    I'm calling it. Nadal is 26, aging, declining, on the way down. Upcoming rising star who yet hasn't beaten him at his turf. But when he does, mnockout blow. Will make one last valiant effort to beat the young star at his place (Australian open) but will fall short and that is the end of his relevance. Just like Borg and McEnroe. Nadal is clearly not the same player he once was, you can see it.
     
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    The young star? Cvac is a whopping year younger than Nadal. He is turning 26 in 2 days.
     
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    That's true. He's better than he used to be. First time in his career he's made 8 finals before RG and won 6 titles.
     
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    Just No to this! Borg was 25-26 when retired. He did it out of his own decision rather than decline. He tried return but failed

    Mac stopped winning soon after his 6 month break for his marrige to O'neal. Also because a new era of tennis evolved and it didnt bode well for him for not acclamating to the changes that were happening
     
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    nobody cares about the 500 events. Even Ferrer could rack up tens of titles playing those events. :lol:
     
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  17. 1477aces

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    Nadal's wearing down and he has lost a step. The next generation of tennis players from age 19-25 sucks, that's why nadal and even djokovic to an extent and Federer have remained relevant. If this generation was as great as the one a decade ago of in the early 1990's these guys shouldn't be top 4 with the exception of djokovic.
     
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    Be careful, he only has 8 finals this season because he didn't play South America since 2005. IW was an offset for MC.
     
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    He declined, that's why he was no longer able to beat McEnroe at Wimbledon or take him to 5 at the us open. He also let a young Ivan Lendl take him to five in he French open final after winning it without dropping a set in 1978 and 1980.
     
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    I sort of agree with this. You somewhat seem to think Djokovic is a much better player than Nadal which is not the case. He have an edge over Nadal at the moment and I can agree to that.
     
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    Mac was a bad mact up to Borg. Like Djokovic is a bad match up to nadal.

    Nadal is declining, he has to...silly to think otherwise. He has to compensate in other areas from now on. Specially strategically, serve, BH etc..
     
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    this is actually true :lol: Since the next generation of players aren't producing new Safins, Federers, Nadals, Samprases, Agassis, Djokovics, etc...this current crop of guys can keep racking up titles. :lol: Luckily, our top 4 guys have extra time to keep winning because there's basically a down period right now in terms of a new batch of ultra talented hungry young lions coming into the sport.
     
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  23. 1477aces

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    He has an edge and is about to pass him up just like McEnroe did to Borg in 1981, keep in mind that Borg did get sets off of McEnroe in those finals. I don't think nadal will retire like Borg did, but getting slams in the future will likely require injuries or poor performances from djokovic, just like what fed has needed from nadal since 2009 Australian open (losing at his own turf and 2008 Wimbledon final).
     
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    I'm not happy. And this batch of player isn't that great. Nadal is really not better than Borg and in my opinion is an Agassi or Connors level player. Djokovic is at best a Boris Becker or Stefan edberg level player and maybe not rely any better than jimmy courier.
     
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    Ok now your dwelling on uncontrollable variants. I will agree that a new blood of player are already getting stronger like Paire, Dimitrov, Gulbis.

    Certainly Djoker having issues that doesnt do him any favors. Djoker is having problems of his own. Nadal has issues of his own.
    At the end of the day it comes down to how each player cope with the pressures at hand and the resource he put in play regardless of stats on paper. It is he who remains standing at the end of each game who deserves the win.
     
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    Would have made sense last year, doesn't this year....
     
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    Yes, the early 1990's of 2003.
     
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    Denial is a way some people deal with things Bob. It doesn't change what is. I don't think Djokovic is just going to disapear into the night, regardless of what some may wish. He has created the perfect Anti-Nadal game, and even created counter strikes to all the new strategies Nadal used in 2012. He's been waiting for Nadal, he knows all roads to glory go through Nadal, and he's not afraid to go for the jugular.
     
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  29. 1477aces

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    I meant or. My bad
     
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    When you can be gone for 7 months, come back and destroy the field, I'm guessing every player wishes he could be in such a declining state.
     
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    Everybody cares about master titles, especially 3 of them
     
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    But even in 2005, he only had 6 finals before RG. 8 is the best he's ever done with any schedule.
     
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    He's #1 in the race. (DESPITE not playing AO or Miami). Declining? Then the entire ATP tour is declining even more...
     
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    Whether it's due to mental or match up issues, Nadal lost to Djok last match they played, remember. Both Nadal and Toni have said they would rather face other players than Djok, and you have to appreciate the honesty and pragmatism there.
     
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  36. Readers

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    Do you remember what happened to Novak after Nadal lays a beat down on him in clay season 2012?
     
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    It does make he keep losing to nobody had has showed he may very well not even make it to semi, much less beating Nadal in his current form.
     
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    Nole is gonna go medieval on Nadal's arse at RG. Just wait and see.
     
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    Yes I remember but I also remember that Nadal beat him 3 times last year on clay and that Djoko is 0-4 vs Rafa at RG. Djoko may have more chance vs Rafa than other players but if they meet at RG, he'll still be the massive underdog. + in 2013, Djoko has only made 2 tier 1 finals (AO and M-C) while Nadal has had 4 (IW, M-C, Madrid, Rome). That tells me something about their respective consistency and current form and it is not to Djoko's advantage.
     
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    Me wonders how Joker is gonna play tennis from inside Nadal's head ?

    *puzzled*
     
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