Is Fed overplaying this year?

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  1. noball

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    He's already played an extra tournament Brisbane, but ok that was a much needed warmup. He also played doubles in Indian Wells for some inexplicable reason? And maybe that extra mileage cost him in the final against Nole? Kinda looked gassed in the deciding breaker. Then he plays Miami which he could've easily skipped,it's by far his worst HC tournament even though he's won it twice. And now he's playing DC which are 5 setters plus he has to play doubles. WTF?

    I feel that by the time Fed arrives at USO he may have nothing left in the tank, that would be such a waste at one of his most succesfull slams. So why is a 32/33 YO veteran playing so much in the slow season when his main goal is to win another slam or two?
     
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  2. AM95

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    I think of all people, Federer knows how to manage his schedule and his body better than any poster on TTW (no offense).

    Trust the guy who has won 17 majors and the team behind him. He knows what he's doing.
     
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    And what was the point of playing doubles at IW again?
     
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    Davis cup prep + Larry's request to promote new stadium.
     
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    How about more volley practice, since Edberg want him to attack the net more..
     
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    Just out of curiousity, what was wrong with 'monfed'? 'noball' sucks gonad. :evil:
     
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  7. noball

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    Not sure what you mean m8, but if you'd like to chat, my email's luelinks86@gmail.com. You could also mail me directly by clicking on my profile. I could email you too but it looks like you can't receive any emails. If you'd like you could give me your email too. ;)
     
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  9. bjsnider

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    It's an unwritten rule that just about everybody plays doubles at IW every year. It's just considered courteous.
     
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  10. noball

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    :lol: Doesn't that old sod have enough?
     
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  11. Fiji

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    His best chance for another major is at Wimbledon.
     
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    He wants to try and win DC, a title which is missing from his trophy case. It is understandable now that he has a good opportunity.

    Re the USO, his chances of winning that slam again are slim IMO. Not impossible, but slim.
     
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  13. noball

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    I agree he should ditch DC and focus completely on the slams.
     
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    He still focuses mostly on the slams but obviously wants to try and win DC as well now that a good opportunity is there. Makes sense. Participating or not in DC will not change his slam chances at this point in his career.
     
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  15. Fiji

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    He wants the DC for his resume. The only slam he has chances of winning is Wimbledon. RG and USO look very, very unlikely.
     
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    I think he should focus on Wimbledon and DC this year. He has chances of winning both. Switzerland host Italy in the semis of the DC so they really should win that match.
     
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    While it's true that his schedule can look like it's a bit much given his age, I don't have a problem with it. Federer needs to be confident to play in slams, and there's no better way of building that up than by playing more and having his ranking inside the top 4. He played a lot of matches in 2012 and it turned out to be one of his best year since 2010. Early loss and injuries prevented him from playing many matches in 2013 and it resulted in his worst year on tour in the last 11 years.

    His next tournament is Madrid at the beginning of May, so I don't think that playing DC this week-end is that big of a deal, DC has always been missing from his resume so why not? If his body is healthy as he says it is, it's going to be a good thing. He's got a few weeks to rest before Madrid so he should be fine. Let's not forget that Mirka is due around Wimbledon and there's rumor Roger might take an extended break. I'd be a lot more worried about that for his chances at the USO than him playing more matches before Mirka is due.
     
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    How he won Dubai and got so far at Indian Wells God only knows.

    But now we are ready for the big times in Europe, oh well he might do OK in Halle, but that's it.

    I expect 2 matches at RG and 2 or 3 at Wimbledon.
     
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  19. Federer20042006

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    I highly disagree. I think the US Open is his best chance. Federer is extremely vulnerable and not particularly impressive on grass these days.

    As for overplaying...uh...remember 2012, when he played Dubai, and Rotterdam, and Indian Wells, and Miami before his break? He's better when he plays more, not less.
     
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    Well he has a month off now; not expected to play again 'til Rome.
    That should help.
     
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  21. West Coast Ace

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    Aggressive tennis? Not getting in extended rallies with younger guys who can get everything back?

    Not unless they bring up the ginned up, superfast courts and balls from the Sampras era. It's too slow - Djokovic, Murray and Nadal your last 3 winners. And might win the next 3.

    +1. Stan shamed him into playing DC by ripping him last yr. And if Stan doesn't choke, they do have a good chance.

    He'll be ok. As someone else said he knows how to manage it. He's got a nice break now, then one after Wimbledon. I could see him skipping Paris before the WTF.
     
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    This is assuming he doesn't eat and sleep between now and September.
     
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  24. Vensai

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    People are over exaggerating. It's not like Federer is copying Ferrer's schedules.
     
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    He is now playing Monte Carlo on a WC.......he must be skipping something later on
     
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    You say that based on what? Federer won Wimbledon in 2012, in 2013 everybody knows now he had a bad back that seems to be sorted for now (and even then he won Halle).
     
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    He's getting a break from the tour later on anyway, due to their 3rd child, probably that's why he decided to play Monte Carlo.
     
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    he prob will not play the first of the two hc masters before the uso..so after Wimbledon he will have 5 weeks break.
     
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  29. Federer20042006

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    He didn't have a bad back at Wimbledon last year. He had a bad back at Indian Wells, recovered, was fine at Wimbledon, then developed back pain in Hamburg. This is from what he said himself.

    Stakhovsky legitimately beat him. Basically, the only difference in Wimbledon last year, as opposed to 2010 or 2012, is Federer failed to escape in his early round scare the way he did in the prior 2 tournaments.

    In 2012, he was a hair away from losing to Benneteau in the 3rd round after going down 2 sets.

    In 2011, he lost to Tsonga after going up 2 sets.

    In 2010, he was a hair away from losing to Falla in the 1st round. He was facing triple break point down 2 sets in the business end of the 3rd set. Then Falla also served for the match in the 4th set, only for Federer to break back.

    He would go on to lose to Berdych in the QF in 4.
     
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    Of course Stak beat him legitimately. But personally I think if Fed wasn't affected by the back earlier on in the season he would have had more confidence and played better.

    IIRC didn't Fed have a set point for a 5th set before losing it in the TB? So if he converted that he could have came back and won it.
     
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  31. Steve0904

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    But his best chance to win a GS is still Wimbledon. That is completely obvious. He'll never win RG again, and the AO and USO are now too slow, and the top guys are more consistent on HC. Djokovic is a bit vulnerable on grass, and Nadal is really vulnerable given the last 2 years although he is still a threat if he can get out of the 1st week. Then we know Fed can beat Murray if it comes to that although obviously it's not guaranteed.

    Picking out each match that he's lost at Wimbledon in the last few years doesn't mean much to me.

    He's had his share of bad matches at the USO too. The whole of 2013 was more an anomaly than the standard, and even so his loss to Robredo was worse than his loss to Stakhovsky. He lost in the QF to Berdych at USO 2012. He played a great match, but still lost to Djokovic in 2011, and he lost while playing anywhere between average and bad to Djokovic in 2010 when Djokovic himself was playing like crap and was nowhere near 2011-2013 level.

    A few odd matches on grass don't change much. The first week or so at Wimbledon is still quick so an upset is more likely. HC doesn't really change from 1st to 2nd week. Plus, Federer is not in his prime anymore so he won't just blow through GS draws like he used to.

    Basically, he might look better on HC through the first week or so, but the 2nd week is more important so if he can get through 1st week Wimbledon he has much better chances against the top guys than he would on HC.
     
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  32. ultradr

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    It's actually faster courst where Federer started to lose edge against Djokovic
    and Murray. In fact, during last 2 years or so, Federer's overall record on
    clay and slow hard courts are pretty good.

    Federer is not exactly fast court player. It's because he was contrasted with
    Nadal. That's why he was painted as fast court player in this era.

    But Federer started to reign after all these courts at Wimbledon and US Open
    *slowed*.
     
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  33. spinovic

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    I definitely think Wimbledon is his best shot at another slam. I think it is also the place where he is most vulnerable to an early upset. The quicker conditions on the grass cuts both ways, IMO - it gives Federer his best chance against the other top guys, but it also gives the rest of the field, particularly guys with big games who can play offensively, their best chance of knocking him out.

    I also think it is a mistake to write him off at any slam as long as he's healthy and playing as he currently is. Roland Garros is a longshot only because of Nadal, but should Rafa get upset there (as has happened before), Federer winning isn't so unbelievable.
     
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  34. Rip n Roll

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    Points. Ranking determines seed. Seed determines what half of the draw you end up on. If he wants to win another slam. It's crucial to be on the opposite side of the draw than Nadal.
     
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  35. Fiji

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    Can he overtake Lendl in the titles department?
     
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    federer sucked at the FO in 12 and 13. the only place where he did well on clay in 12 and 13 was wait for it **blue clay of madrid** where conditions were faster and slippery ....

    and yes, federer is every inch the fast court player that sampras was and obviously much more on slower courts than sampras ever was

    federer started to reign because he got it all mentally together. had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the speed of the courts

    Otherwise, inconsistent as he was, he was still beating sampras in wimbledon in 01, krajicek/goran on indoor courts in 00/01 ... his first title was indoor court in Milan in 2001.
     
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  37. Federer20042006

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    But his game is better at the US Open. If Federer is healthy and in form (he wasn't in form at last year's US Open after the injuries post-Wimbledon), he's going to get through just about anyone you can throw at him until at least the QF with relative ease.

    Yes, he'd have to play well to beat Djokovic at the US Open, but I'm pretty sure he could do it. Their matches tend to come down to a coin flip, anyway. He has to avoid Nadal everywhere, or he's toast. He'd steamroll Murray at the US Open, I feel.

    On the other hand, on grass, everyone is a threat to beat him now. You could throw a guy outside the Top 100 out there and we'd really have no idea how the match is gonna go because Federer doesn't have many options on grass. He either serves well and scrapes out return games or tie breaks, or he doesn't and he's in big trouble, with little he can do.

    At the US Open, that's not the case. It's medium-fast, so he can play his brand of offensive tennis, but lower ranked opponents don't really even have a prayer against him because he still has plenty of time.

    I'm telling you - barring an injury setback (entirely possible, of course), Federer will at least reach the SF this year at the US Open. He is unlikely to get out of the first week at Wimbledon. His grass court game just isn't very good anymore.
     
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    ^^

    pretty sure he broke djokovic & murray 4 times each in their encounters in wimbledon 12 ...he did great in the first two rounds there ... then was hampered by back problems vs benneateau & malisse; then returned to form in the QF, SF & F...

    The last time he played well late in the USO was 11 ...not 12, not 13 ...

    early rounds, he'll surely get through at the USO, but later rounds will most certainly be a battle.

    at wimbledon, in the later rounds, he can still blow away nadal or djokovic or murray with just his serve and maybe one other component clicking - fh or net game ...

    his returning also seems improved in 14 compared to 13 , so I don't think he'll have an early round exit there this time around ..
     
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    No he needs the points to get back to world no.3 so he has easier routes in tournaments.
     
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  40. sportsfan1

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    Last year Fed underplayed the first half of the year and lost his form, and then couldn't find it back the rest of the year. He has to keep playing to be competitive, plus he may have an enforced break later on this year.
     
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    Number 3 and four really does not make much of a difference.

    If Berdych does a good Monte Carlo he will be nipping at his heels for the fourth place.
     
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    We don't know yet if he is overplaying. Maybe he intends to skip Madrid instead. Maybe he is gunning for missing titles. Like Davis Cup, Monte Carlo and Rome.
     
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    Maybe Fed and Mirka's kids are due sooner than we realise...
     
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    True. Fed will need more money, so he has to work more.
     
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  45. newpball

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    I would certainly welcome F spending a good amount of time with mom and the baby(s). :grin:

    If anything we will get a lot less idiotic postings about F going to win everything that has a net on it.
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    You're being pathetic and needlessly facetious. I'm not quite sure why.
     
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    I'm not quite sure if serious...
     
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    I think you know why. AKA Troll 101.

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    I see, when someone is not an irrational exuberant F fan he must be a troll.
     
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  50. bullfan

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    Maybe Fed's only planning to play for part of the year. Mirka is planning on having a kid this summer. I don't know the last time I've seen Fed play without Mirka in the stands.
     
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