Is Federer being arrogant here?

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  1. smoledman

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    No Roger you don't know what it's like to lose your first 4 GS finals. In fact you won your first 7, so don't pretend you know what Andy is going through.:cry:
     
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  2. TopFH

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    Well, Roger has had his share of tough losses.
     
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  3. smoledman

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    It's like when he tried to console Roddick in '09 - and Andy said back - "yeah you already had won it 5 times". Roger is quite arrogant in that he doesn't even understand what he just said is hurtful.
     
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    Fed being arrogant... nothing new to report here. :)
     
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  6. akv89

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    To be fair, Federer has experienced more tough losses than anyone I've seen. But having all those major trophies is certainly a nice consolation after each loss.
     
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    Have you ever seen anyone else play tennis??
     
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    You haven't seen many then. A 17 time champion could have some tough losses but saying he has had more than anyone else is absolute rubbish.

    Federer being his usual self. Nothing new here... :neutral:
     
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    Federer understands tough losses more than Murray. Murray and Roddick et al are accustomed to losing, Federer has been accustomed to winning everything in sight then losing, making things much harder to bear.
     
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  10. smoledman

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    I'm sure Federer cries into his 17 slam trophies every night thinking about those few losses.
     
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    So it would have been LESS arrogant if he'd said:

    "Yeah that's too bad for Andy; I really can't relate as I won my first 7 GS finals. What a pity for him." ????

    Give the guy a break. Everyone and his brother is asking if he's feeling bad for Andy so he's responding in the most tactful way he knows how. He's a tennis player, not a professional diplomat.
     
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    He was just showing Andy some sympathy, he meant he knew what it was like to lose tough finals
     
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    He simply meant that he knew how it felt - to do better than the other 126 players but still feeling completely broken and devastated, in unbearable pain, in tears you cannot suppress.

    ...Does Murray still love the game?
     
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    Do you have any clue what it's like to truly be a winner? When you have that taste of winning, the idea of losing is so gut wrenching that you lose sleep?

    Roger does. You don't.

    I absolutely do not care how he takes it. He has a winning attitude and that's the way it should be.
     
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    Federer was consoling Murray and using some human trait called empathy. What else was he supposed to say? It's a lose-lose situation if he even opens his mouth according to some people. Murray suffered a heartbreaking loss and Federer has suffered heartbreaking losses before too. Simple as that. The way people talk on this forum, anything Federer says or does can be instantly spun as arrogant. lol
     
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    I would love to be enlightened. I would think Lendl or Connors have lost more matches in majors in high pressure situations (major finals/semis), but I've never seen them play. Federer has been quite successful in making it frequently to such high profile matches and as a result has set himself up for such losses more so than anyone else.

    2005 AO SF
    2006/2007/2008 FO F
    2008 Wimbledon F
    2009 AO F
    2009 USO F
    2010/2011 USO SF
    etc

    Fortunately for him, he's won more than he's lost once he gets there.
     
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  18. Raging Buddha

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    Oh wow Federer, don't say that you sympathise with Murray or anything. Cos, you know, you're a god among men, so you can't possibly understand these emotions that impact on us mere mortals on a daily basis. Let's just completely forget the fact that you have an immense share of tough losses including to Safin, Nalbandian, Del Potro et al and especially Nadal and Djokovic. And in particularly, one individual who continues to haunt an immense piece of real estate in your mind, especially on clay and who prevented the calendar year slam twice in a row for you. How could you possibly sympathise with Andy and his loss in 4 finals when he has yet to taste success?

    On a serious note: OP, what the f*** do you expect him to say? According to you, it seems that if he states a single word he is commiting a sin. But wait, if he stays silent it shows that he has a lack of empathy as well, does it not?

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  19. jakemcclain32

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    It's that pansy assed trait some people here have when it comes to great people, and great winners. They hate the idea of them winning all the time, so anything that they do is arrogant.
     
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    You're right-- it would have been so much less arrogant if he'd said: "I could pretend I understand what Andy's going through, but honestly I don't, since I won my first 7 grand slam finals. Really, I have no idea what losing that much would feel like."

    If only he could have been that classy...
     
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    You know, Andy Roddick won his first major final, but do you honestly think that he can't empathize with Andy Murray?

    I don't think losing ever gets easy, and when it does start getting easier I think it's time to call it quits. The fact is that Federer has lost more big matches than Andy Murray in his career and I've seen him shed more tears in defeat. Maybe we should criticize Andy Murray because he doesn't know what it's like to be the undisputed number one player in the world and then fall from the top, or to lose six different major finals to your greatest rival.
     
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  22. Swissv2

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    OMG Federer said:
    How flippin arrogant Federer is to wish Andy the best! OMG SOOOOOO ArrOGGANTTTTTT

    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR



    SOOOO ARROGANTTTTTT, HE DIDN'T NEED TO SAY THAT!!!!!!







    But I digress... :mrgreen:
     
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  23. kishnabe

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    He meant how everyone expected him to win slams after defeating Sampras at 2001 SW19.

    The pressure to perform from others clearly accounts for his 1st round performance in 02 SW19 and 02,03 French. Plus everything else between 2001 SW19- 2003 SW19.

    Murray dealing with the same problem and more. Murray may have won more MS1000 did when Federer had zero slams.......it shows Murray can win big titles. After those 08 wins over Federer and US Open final. People expected that out of Murray....it hard for him to conform to this.

    After 2002 Hamburg win to 2002 French Open first round loss.....that gets in your head a bit.

    Federer knows how Murray feel it being expected to go win a slam and many more just not in a British pressure but global tennis pressure.
     
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  24. Sentinel

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    Why aren;t the fed-haters posting gifs of him crying at the AO here ? Are those gifs only used when they support/counter some argument ?

    e.g. if Nadal whines/complains, then immediately flood forum with AO 09 pics ?
     
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  25. smoledman

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    Because Roger already had 13 slams.
     
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    That's just retarded. You said it yourself, he was trying to make Andy in 2009, and Andy in 2012, feel better. He lost tough matches and epic moments, including matches where he was up breaks or even MPs, long matches that have gone 5 sets, in all sorts of surfaces. This should only make Murray feel better cause he can see a man facing all kinds of losses and still get wins too.
     
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    At 25, Federer had 9 slams to Andy's 0. How can he even pretend to understand the anguish?
     
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    I don't think Federer has had that many tough losses compared to anyone else. He always goes super-deep in tournaments and is one of the most successful players of all time.
     
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  30. Rogael Naderer

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    Wow, tennis these days is full of sissies.

    First of all you can't hit the ball at a net covering opponent; and if you do you must immediately apologise and make sure the they haven't got a little bruise.

    And now you have to be sensitive towards a 25 year old world no 4 tennis player, who LOST.

    Andy Murray was the LOSER in the final, end of, and until he wins one he will always be the LOSER.
     
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