is federer getting tired?

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  1. aphex

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    ...i mean its the same story in every game:
    he comes on court playing his ok game (not A game or even B game)
    which is enough to beat any opponent except a certain mr. nadal.
    so, he wins the 1st set and then during the 2nd, he just unravels...
    i mean yesterday, if it was any of the top 7-8 at the other side of the net,
    federer would have lost that 2nd set and probably the match...

    anyone have a valid explanation?
     
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    Fed is not that good anymore.
     
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    Basically the same story as 2008. Looks like Fed's lost interest in being a serious contender at Master's tourney's.

    Sure, he shows up and does well, but he doesn't put his heart and soul into it like he does at the slams, IMO.
     
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    he comes onto the court with his A game
    his opponent plays his C game usually and loses the first set
    if his opponent is Murray or Djokovic sometimes, they'll raise it up to A or B game, which is more than enough to dominate Fed (who is still playing at A to A-)
    if his opponent is somebody else, they'll go down to D game and Fed will win (this is what happened during the FedEra)
     
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    epic fail 10 char
     
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    Funny--in a way reminds me of this thread. It was about a B or so and then you posted some drivel about Djokovic and Murray's B games being able to "dominate" Federer's A game and the thread went down to F.
     
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    Mono drains your system of energy. Where he used to come onto the court with a full tank of gas, he now only comes on court with a half a tank of gas. He uses up most of that gas in the 1st set so he doesn't have much left for the 2nd and 3rd sets. :(
     
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    Federer is a mental midget. After a couple of UEs he collapses if the opponent is solid enough.
     
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    Fed isn't really that good. It's just that most of the competition is even worse.
     
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    Switch Mono with aging and nerves and it does make sense.
     
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    Why does every ******* have to be a troll?

    Tbh Fed's A game would beat any player on tour with ease except Nadal on clay.
     
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    mirka's been getting all the energy
     
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    I buy that. He just gets tight - not a total collapse.
     
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    Did you really just say that Fed isnt that good? Twice? Did you really just say that? You must be mentally retarded, if so I apologize. But if not you, my friend, have just taken trolling to a new level. Do you even watch tennis, or do you just stare at Nadal's muscles all day?
     
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    Most of Fed's opponents beat themselves. A player that keeps the ball in play and doesn't make many errors is going to give Fed problems. Aka Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray.
     
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    one day gulbis will be up there.
    for now its nadal and fed.

    as a fed fan i can see why hes losing, whether its lack of endurance, age, or out played, but if federer is so weak then why does he talk nadal to 5 sets at most slams, maybe not french but wimbledon and aus op, since nadal didnt make it to us op finals last year.
     
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    You clearly have little understanding of tennis if you think Federer is not very good. End of discussion. Share your opinion with anyone knowledgeable about tennis (a pro or coach) and they'e likely to walk away. Have you seen professional tennis in person even? Do you even play tennis? Saying that Federer "Fed isn't really that good" shows that you don't get it.
     
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    Biggest load of crap of all time.
     
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    "Feds opponents beat themselves"?

    .............I cant argue with someone like you, or else i will spontaneously combust, and not in a good way.
     
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    Classic!!!
     
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    I'm still trying to come to terms with the fact that a guy with 13 slams and top 5 of all time isnt really that good. I guess that means Nadal just plain sucks right?
     
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  24. Jchurch

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    I guess by your rational Nadal isn't that good since he has to get into a rally to win. I mean he just sits there giving that ball back to whoever he is playing.

    I am a Federer fan, but I also have great respect for Nadal and his game. For anyone to say EITHER of them aren't talented is just crazy.
     
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    Yes, a "mental midget" that coould to win 7 straight best of 5 set matches 13 times (not to mention the times he had to win 6 straight matches). :-?
     
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    Yeah, sure, he aged 10 years in a span of only 2 months. :-?
     
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    obvious troll is obvious...

    federer's B game is enough to destroy anyone (see: USO'08) except nadal on clay.

    let's not even go to his A game.
     
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    btw, the original question still stands for non-trolls
    does anyone have a valid explanation why his level suddenly drops?
     
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    I've already explained it, it was the mono. It's hard to find your form again after a bout of mono. You never really get back to 100% of where you were before the illness. It's just one of those things, like a physical injury that has healed but you're never able to do all things you were able to before.

    Ancic was #7 in the world before he got mono. Look at how much he's dropped off since. Have you even seen him recently?

    Have you seen this thread?
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=260459
     
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    I am not going to agree or disagree with what you said. It is not that I don't have an opinion on Federer being good or not, but I have something more important to discuss with you. If you diminish what Federer has achieved you are in essence diminishing the value of Nadal's victories over Federer because he's not good. If you talk Federer up and say he's great you are making Rafa's victories over Fed great because he won them against a great opponent. By saying Roger is good you make Rafa look great. By saying Roger is not good you make Nadal not look as good. This type of bashing between Nadal and Federer fans gives a lot of ammunition to fans of tennis in the 90's who claim tennis is currently in weak era competition wise.
     
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    I 'm startting to think it is the fact that the masters dont mean as much as they used to for him. Im his mind the only thing separating him from being the greatest ever is 2 slams. And thats where his focus is. He already has all the masters he needs honestly. All his focus is for the slams. Thats why his loss in Australia was so crushing for him. Not that he doesnt try in masters. It just doesnt mean as much. Old Fed would never have taken a loss like he had in monte carlo in stride.
     
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    The operative phrase there being - in his mind. He's not even close to the greatest ever. If he'd have kept going strong for 2-3 more years (beyond 2007) there was a possibility of some discussion. Not now, however.
     
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    i think you have a good point---it can't be a coincidence that federer was never the same again after AO'08---even when people say he played well in
    us open last year, it was nothing compared to his level of previous years
     
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    why not make it 10 years?
     
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    Not practical or realistic thinking you're going to continue collecting majors until your mid to late 30's, playing the modern game.

    If he could have gone strong from 2003-2010 taking 15-18 slams, winning all 4 majors and 20+ Masters Series titles... he'd have been a clear cut GOAT contender.

    Unfortunately, he just petered out... 3/4 of the way to the finish line :oops:
     
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    You make it sound like 13 slams is a joke!
     
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    Im pretty sure if he had 18 slams and a career slam hed be THE goat, no contendership necessary, IMO.
    Im still not buying the mono excuse. Its just guys have stepped up and dont think hes invincible anymore. And more guys arent afraid of him. He lost his aura, that mental edge that gave him a set before he even stepped onto the court. Plus Djokovic and Murray have way more heart than guys like Davydenko, Ljubicic, and yes, Blake, and better games than those guys and Roddick etc. And Rafas improved while Fed has stalled and in some respects gotten worse (FH, serve)
     
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    How well did did John McEnroe do before 1985, and how well did he do after 1985?
    Did he have mono, too?

    The same can be said of absolutely every player who has won, say, more than 3 Majors, and been #1 in the world for a significant period.
    The FACT is that the play of every tennis player declines at some point - some sooner, and some later. And for many, many different reasons - some physical, some psychological...

    If it is a "fact", as BP relentlessly claims, That Federer's decline is the result of mono, it is surely easy to prove that it is a fact.
    Thus far, he's not come anywhere close to doing proving it.

    Indeed, Federer has not played as well for the past 18 months or so as he had played in the several years prior to that. Nopne of us on this message board know Federer nearly well enough to know all of the things that have gone on in his life in the past 18 months. We know only a very few things - the mono, his marriage, Mirka's pregnancy... But, my god, there are so many other possible reasons - both physical and psychological - for the decline in his play that it is nothing short of absolute and irresponsible folly to claim that the mono is the sole - or even the main - cause of his tennis decline.
    It may be just the mono... It may be the mono combined with something else... It may be the mono combined with 17 other factors... It may have nothing at all to do with the mono.

    The only FACT here is that none of us know why Federer's play has declined in the past 18 months or so.
    All we can do is guess as to the reason(s) - and our guesses are essentially useless, as they are all based on all of us (including BreakPoint) us knowing very, very little about his life.
     
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    And what caused that? Mono?

    How can someone's game completely fall off a cliff at the same time as his illness if the cause of that drop-off isn't the illness? He was winning just about everything before he got mono but then right after he got mono he stopped winning anything. Suddenly. Seems pretty obvious to me.
     
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    calibrate your sarcasm detector please...
     
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    After you calibrate your sarcasm creator :oops:

    There are guys like Agassi... with his 20 year career span and majors after 30 years old... who knows what you were thinking.
     
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    ^ If you were a close friend of Federer's, and knew virtually everything that's been going on in his life in the past 18 months, the content of your post would be more credible.

    Since, however, you have no idea what 98% of Federer's life is like, or the things he has to deal with, you stating that it is "fact" that the mono is the reason for his decline (which you posted in the other thread), and you stating here that it's "obvious" that the mono is responsible for his decline is nothing but pure foolishness.
     
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    i was thinking that since you created a crazy, ridiculous standard for goat contendership why not go all the way and be absolutely ludicrous.

    the fact is that many people (the majority perhaps) consider fed the goat (not just a goat contender) based on these 4 years only. so, stop your silliness.
     
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    it may not be fact, but its a valid explanation based on cause and effect.
     
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    Ok so Ancic had mono and still misses tourneys due to lingering effects of it, yet Fed had it and played through it, both in Australia and the rest of the year. And he won the USO post mono. If his game had fallen off a cliff as claimed hed have dropped out of top 20 by now & be in the retirement home.
     
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    Federer was so far above everyone else before that even after "falling off a cliff", he's still better than 99% of the pros out there. It all depends on where you start from.
     
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    thats not whats being claimed...what's being claimed is that at this level, if you lose 1/8th of a step and a bit of stamina, you automatically become a far worse player
     
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    ^ And there are perhaps a dozen other factors in Federer's life that could also be claimed to be a "valid explanation".

    One can claim that any speculation is 'valid'... simply because, until absolute proof occurs, no one knows the truth.

    But if someone claims that it is "fact" - or even that it's "obvious" - before proof is produced, that's just plain silly.
     
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    come on now...its not being claimed that his level dropped because he lost his wallet or something...its a valid explanation (not fact)
     
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