Is Federer the GOAT (yes/no)?

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Is Federer the GOAT

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  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Bud

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    Simple poll... yes or no

    No other explanation/evidence/justification required (although welcome) :wink:
     
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  2. Safinator_1

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    poll? 10 chars
     
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  3. Bud

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    Dang... you're impatient! :shock:

    :grin:
     
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  4. iamgoat

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    ye bro Fo Sho.
     
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  5. Pirao

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    If he gets to 14 slams, I would say yes. Otherwise, no.
     
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  6. sh@de

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    Yes. 10 chars.
     
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  7. Bud

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    This is a snapshot at this point in time.

    Therefore, you must vote your conscience... which is No :lol:
     
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  8. aphex

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    i don't see that option...where do i vote "my conscience"?
     
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  9. Pirao

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    Yes, as of right now he is not IMO, but his career has not finished yet, that's why I said what I said.
     
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  10. Bud

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    Cool.... then vote No :)
     
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  11. helloworld

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    LOL!!!! Some people actually voted yes. :D I guess that makes Nadal the daddy of GOAT then. :D
     
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  12. Pirao

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    Why should I? :)
     
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  13. aphex

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    why don't you start a thread and see how many people vote nadal the goat then?
     
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  14. gj011

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    Of course not. Not even close or disputable.

    No one with any knowledge of tennis history or who follows tennis longer than 5 years can claim in right mind that Federer is the GOAT. There are several much greater players than him.
     
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  15. mandy01

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    its a personal thing.Firstly ,I dont know if,realistically,there is a GOAT in tennis in the first place.
     
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  16. Bud

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    No need for such a thread... it would be premature.
     
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  17. aphex

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    such as djokovic, amirite?
     
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  18. Bud

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    Because... at this point in time you stated you don't think he's the GOAT.

    How's that reason? :)
     
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  19. Pirao

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    I have, but I also have explained what I think, and I don't like either option. So I won't vote :).
     
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  20. Bud

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    You could break the current tie :idea:
     
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  21. Pirao

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    Ok, then I'll vote lol.
     
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  22. Bud

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    A man of integrity :)
     
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  23. Cenc

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    pathetic, i just waited for it to come up
    well no he isnt the greatest of all times
    take a look at all the most important statistics and no, he isnt
    - slams, years as n1, wimbledons, year-end-cups, total tournament wins, score with 1, 2 or 3 biggest rivals, davis cup
    i just dont see anything that would make him the goat
    but will be fun to see what people say
     
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  24. Bud

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    I wanted to create a nice simple yes/no poll... as a snapshot at this point in time... since I've been hearing more people already claiming he's THE GOAT... yet he barely has any unique achievements to his name.

    So, what unique achievement(s) has Federer accomplished that places him head and shoulders above his peers, past and present?

    A GOAT would have several such achievements.

    Please list these achievements for those who believe Federer is the current and undisputed GOAT.
     
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  25. Dutch-Guy

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    This "GOAT" debat is subjective but let me give it a go:If he breaks Sampras record,wins RG by beating Rafa and has a good h2h againt Rafa,then a big YES.Until then...
     
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  26. Pirao

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    :mrgreen::mrgreen:
     
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  27. Bud

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    Thank you... this is what I seek to determine in this thread.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_held_by_Roger_Federer

    plus having a playing style that is the most exciting to watch (for me anyways)

    although i wouldn't say he's the undisputed GOAT, because there's no undisputed GOAT. what's important for me is what i think, and i think he's the GOAT.
     
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  29. sh@de

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    Your thread asked if I think he is. I certainly do, given his achievements and his play style. Although he doesn't really hold that many records, I think the fact that he is close to all the records makes him GOAT. Just my opinion.
     
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    And has a complete turnaround against Nadal (edging past him in h2h) then he cannot possibly be GOAT. Think of all the players that people talk about when GOAT conversation comes up and they will all at least be the best player of their own generation. Nadal owns him and always did. He cannot be the GOAT if he is not even the best player of his generation and Nadal is in his ERA.
     
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  31. Azzurri

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    Agreed. If someone where to say what were the greatest 3 years of any one player's career, then I would go for Fed's 05-7 years as the best I have ever seen, but overall he is not GOAT.
     
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    I don't count his H2H against Nadal like demerit from Roger, but merit for Nadal, so I don't care what their H2H is for the GOAT discussion. You're free to do it if you think it's determinating though.
     
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  33. crazylevity

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    Most consecutive weeks at No.1.

    3 our of 4 slams for three different years.

    Most Wimbledon-US Open titles in the same year.

    Longest hard court winning streak.

    Longest GS semi-finals/finals streak.

    There are plenty. But the one record that matters above all these is the number of majors. Which Federer hasn't achieved.

    Whether Federer is the GOAT is very debatable, but I think peak Fed, at his best, is the BOAT. (Best of all time) He has the most complete tennis skillset of any player ever, in my humble opinion. Though Laver fans will give me a run for my money.
     
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    OK... why BOAT and not GOAT? :?

    Wouldn't the Best and Greatest be the same, in this case?
     
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    Federer needs more time at number 1. That's what defines greatness. When you're number 1, you're the best. The exact level of dominance comes into play, too (is he barely number 1 or dominating everyone in his path?). Slam count doesn't matter much to me. He could win 1 slam a year - staying at number 2 - until he's forty, and that wouldn't move him up on my GOAT list.
     
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  36. crazylevity

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    Greatest can only be defined by objective measures, i.e. achievements. Best is defined more subjectively, and takes into account style of play, the ease with which seemingly impossible shots are produced, etc.

    Honestly, if I had to pick someone to play across eras, across surfaces, to play with other GOAT contenders, I'd pick Federer. He can S&V (Wimbledon 2001), is extremely competent on fast surfaces (5 Wimbledons, numerous indoor hardcourt/carpet titles, Masters Cup titles on indoor), he can play on clay (2nd only to Nadal for a number of years; came close in Rome, broke his clay streak at Hamburg), he is one of the greatest baseliners ever, etc. Like I said, his skillset appears to be the most complete, in my opinion. He may not be as brutally consistent as Nadal, or have the greatest attacking game like Sampras. But he's very very competent (at his best) at both offense and defense, at both baselining and at net, and on all surfaces. Thus he has the most complete skillset, and that to me makes him the BOAT.
     
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  37. Bud

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    K... thanks for defining it :)
     
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    Nah... Roger's greatest 3 years??? 2004-06. His 2004 > His 2007. Anyway he has a case, but there are some holes on his resume.
     
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  39. Cyan

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    No. Laver is. Period.
     
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    No, but it aint Sampras either.


    wonder what GameSampras is gonna say about that...
     
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  41. Cesc Fabregas

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    Murray is the GOAT isn't he:roll:.
     
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    How can he be the GOAT if he hasn't even reached his peak?

    btw, your sig is a joke.
     
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  43. matchmaker

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    no GOAT without FO
     
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  44. JoshDragon

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    That's right, Donald Young, Vince Spadea, and Robin Soderling are all in a tight race for GOAT. Fed is far behind them.:twisted:
     
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    right
    so my vote goes to gaudio
     
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    I guess that makes Nadal the GOAT, because he's never lost the French.:twisted::twisted:
     
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    Yes he is.
     
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  48. GameSampras

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    No.. Not even close to being the GOAT. Nadal has destroyed and continues to destroy his legacy.
     
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    LAVER is the GOAT, this has been proved in many other threads:)
     
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    Does that make Nalbandian the GOAT daddies, grandaddy

    ;)
     
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