Is he a good actor?

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    I just wanted to know your opinions about Ethan Hawke.I many people say Ethan Hawke this Ethan Hawke that and how he had the potential to become a super mega star with his dashing looks, which i do admit he had in one of my favorite films "Gattaca". I just wanted to know your opinions of this actor, i mean apparently he is famous, but since he apparently decided to work in more quiet films for the sake of art and not money some say he has tarnished his image...
     
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    He tarnished his image by working in more in more artistic films?

    Eathan Hawke is a talented fellow who continues to do both art and mainstream movies, as well as some writing and directing. He's got two oscar nominations as well, both in the last ten years, one for writing, one for acting.

    No idea what would have happened if he tried to pursue a more traditional Tom Cruise/Mathew McConnaughy/Brad Pitt career path. Probably would have tarnished his image...
     
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    So-so actor, but terrific talent. Better suited as a writer or director.
     
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    That girl is HIGH maintainance and kinda cuckoo. Also, ever heard the expression "Show me a beautiful woman and I'll show you a man who's tired of sleeping with her?"
     
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    Crazy is hot. ;)
     
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    Yeah, it kinda is. May get tireseome after a few years.... but man, that Uma Thurman looks good. (I had the pleasure of chatting briefly with her last year. I never quite got it until that moment, thinking she was just kinda pretty but nothing amazing.)
     
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    Sure, he's a good film actor, because probably 70% of the population has the ability to be good film actors. You don't have to project, like on stage. They do it over and over until you do it decently. That's why so many people crossover from other fields into film acting, (sports, music, stand-up comedy). Don't let that Academy Awards show fool you. Anybody can do what they do.
     
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    Great actor and a terrific Author as well.


    Check out:

    Before Sunrise
    Before Sunset
    Reality Bites
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    I assume you're joking.

    If not, it's an ignorant statement about a field you clearly don't understand. There are very few true "anyone can do what they do" jobs, like maybe being a security guard or working at McDonald's, but film acting is not one of those jobs. The few people who do sucesssfully crossover from sports or wherever do so because A) "The Rock" isn't expected to be Robert Deniro and not really on the same level, and/or B) those types are better than you think, and actually have the ability to do it, regardless of their previous line of work. Sure doesn't mean everyone does.

    The Hollywood landscape is littered with stars from other fields who could not act well on film, and a million other regular people who thought acting was easy.

    Rest assured, 98% of the people working as film actors are there because they are very good at it and better than the competition, and the other 2% are succeeding for other reasons besides talent, which is not unlike many fields. Luck certainly plays a big part in who makes it and who doesn't in show biz, but that's really more about which talented person succeeds and which talented person fails because there are more great actors than there is work, not because anyone can do it. (Music is similar. There are many fabulous singers and musicians toiling away in backwater nightclubs and unable to making a living at it, but certainly not everyone can sing or play guitar well, can they?)

    You know how Federer makes it look easy to hit a 120 mile serve? Ethan Hawke does the same thing in his field.
     
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    Such is the art of casting.
     
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    So in Martin Sheen's family, two of his sons are movie stars. Odd that you'd have 3 such talents in such a small set. And that's not the only statistical oddity. I recall Howard Cosell stating that O.J. Simpson had the talent to be a movie star. What are the chances that the one-in-a-million talents of being an NFL running back and a Hollywood movie star would exist in the very same person? It took rare talent to be a running back, but if you've already got name and face recognition, all you need is adequate skill to work in the movies. Tom Arnold was so hungry for success that when his former friend Rosanne became successful he started a romantic relationship. She gave him his own TV show, (remember that?), eventually, he got enough exposure so that he became an accepted movie "brand name". When that happened, he didn't need her anymore, and they split. But his career pretty much proves that nearly anyone can have an acting career if they get enough exposure to jump start it. The problem is that few people ever get put in the movies in the first place. But if you can get a break or two, most people can work in the movies. What's special about Kate Hudson, Nicholas Cage, and Keifer Sutherland? Their connections. If you have those, then all you need is average talent. That's not so in pro sports, you have to be very good to even be there. To be a singer, you've got to have some kind of voice, but to be a movie actor you need almost no special skills at all.
     
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    I guess Payton and Eli Manning got their jobs because of their connnections, huh?

    As did Taylor Dent, Nadal, Clijsters, Patrick McEnroe and the rest of the startingly high number of other professional athletes who had parents and siblings who played professional or Olympic level sports? Run that one through your statistical oddity machine.

    I already explained the O.J. type of 'actor' when I discussed the Rock, so I don't know what your point was there. Those guys are a very small percentage of working actors, and they aren't expected to be Sir Laurence Olivier anyway.

    Meanwhile, for every Nicolas Cage, there are a thousand more relatives of actors who didn't inherit the talent and failed in the business. But of course you don't know them, do you?

    As the Dylan saying goes, Steadward Edward, don't criticize what you don't understand.
     
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    Those are good points, but I've thought about them. That Ken Griffey Jr. and Sr. could have been sluggers in MLB is too statistically improbable, (slightly different from tennis because baseball success doesn't rely on as much intense coaching). There are genes for athletics. Could there be a gene for acting? Does Charlie Sheen carry acting genes in abundance? Surely his last name had alot to do with getting that job on Two and a Half Men. (Is what he's doing on that show require more skill than what Federer does on a tennis court?) Only now am I finally hearing Kate Hudson's name without someone immediately reminding me, "You know, she's Goldie Hawn's daughter." It's too bad we can't submit this to an experiment. Reset the planet for 100 years ago, and see if the same people become famous over again. Maybe we'd see new names every time becoming the biggest stars? Unlike tennis, where Fed is in the final almost every time. I think they're about the same as lottery winners. But then, some people I know are convinced that lotto winners have skill.

    In tennis, the champion of a major still has to win 7 matches. Anyone in the main draw doing that will be in the final. There's nothing like that for movies. Big stars get the big roles, once you get ahead it's easy to stay ahead. The minor actors don't get to compete with them on an even basis, or anything close to that. Probably the best actors never even get noticed, while Oscar winners triumph because they landed a role in a movie that had lots of funding to lobby the academy. Federer is probably the best tennis player in the world right now. I see no evidence for why I should believe that the academy award winners have out performed anyone. That's just a big advertisement for the movie business.
     
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    Yes, there may be genes for acting, or creative expression. There are many artistic families in various fields, from the Bronte's to the Beach Boys. And no, Charlie Sheen did not get his show because of his last name -- the guy has been a star in his own right for over 20 years now. That's what got him the job. Again, Payton Manning didn't get his job because of his last name, did he?

    The big difference here, and the thing that's tripping you up, is that acting is an art, and art is often subjective. There is no scoreboard. There is no way for Rembrandt and Picasso to face off in a Wimbledon final to see who is the better painter, ya know? (Which reminds me that I have the same ignorant attitude about modern art that you do about film acting -- I'm like "Jackson Pollock gets paid for that crap? I could accidentally knock over a bucket of paint and make it look better than that!")

    But don't ever let that fool you into thinking that film acting isn't a real skill, or that most people could do it if given the opportunity, or that 98 percent of those working in the business aren't there because they have the chops to do the job. Yes, there is much more luck and other factors involved in who succeeds and who fails than there is in sports, a lot having to do with that subjectivity factor, but that's more about which talented person succeeds or fails, not that 'anyone could do it'.

    If you think film acting is so easy, Steady Eddy, try it in the privacy of your own home. Get out your video camera, and take some scene from a favorite movie, some Jack Nicholson speech from "A few Good Men" or something, learn the lines by heart, practice all you want, and than film yourself. Film dozens and dozens of takes if you like until your satsified.

    Then compare your work to Nicholson's. Invite your friends around to watch and see what they think.

    Once you view that monstrosity, then put the final nail in your own coffin and memorize some scene in some movie by that hack Tom Arnold, some comic scene from Austin Powers or whatever. Film it a hundred times, and then see if you are as good and funny as Tom Arnold is at it. See if your friends think you you fall into the "70% of the population" who could be good film actors.
     
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    Then why doesn't the poll reflect your views?
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=311463
     
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    he must be in the other 2%...

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    there are no genes for acting, it depends on what kind of environment you are raised in, it creates a very special person, and if that person has earned the qualities of being a good star throughout his life then why not.
     
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    Steady Eddy, while there are exceptions, I think most people for the most
    part underestimate film acting. Take the average person, throw them on
    a film set and tell them that they have to speak to a point just next to the
    camera as if it's a real person. Now add some bright lights (much brighter
    than regular environments), a crew of people all around them. Just have the
    person try and not stumble on their lines and sound like they are not
    reading. It's hard. Most of the time they will fail. A lot of actors (who never
    book jobs) struggle with just the audition. I've seen it many times.
    Just simply add an audition camera and suddenly the person can barely
    talk normal. Green screen acting? Adding blocking? Forget about it.
    We're talking simple scenes, not emotionally challenging scenes or scenes
    requiring comedic timing and extensive script analysis.

    There are also many intangible things like charisma, presence, body-awareness,
    etc. (though some of these things can be improved over time) Take
    someone like DeCaprio. Some people diss his acting, but he works **Damn**
    hard at it to do what he does.

    Try this experiment. Take one of Keanu Reeves' scenes from one of his
    popular movies. Print out the lines, memorize it, and have one of your
    friends record you delivering the lines in a closeup using a cheap camera.
    Your friend can read the other lines behind the camera. Put it on youtube...
    Or sendspace it to me. I'll edit it and put it on youtube for you.
     
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    I suggested the exact thing to him earlier in the thread. He thinks it so easy? Go try it and then get back to us....
     
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    Oops. Missed that. A Few Good men is too challenging, though. Sorkin's
    writing is good. I picked Keanu b/c people like to criticize him as an actor.
    Who knows. Steady Eddy could be a hidden talent better than Liam Neeson
    or maybe he's more like the Rock or perhaps just a mere pebble in a
    smaller puddle...
     
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    Yes, Keanu was an excellent choice for such an experiment. I also wanted him to do a Tom Arnold scene and screw that up as well since he had ridiculed him.

    Come on, Eddy! Show us your stuff.
     
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    Ok, here you go.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7fwclePNmA
     
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    Wha'ts the point of this clip, Eddy? Arnold's acting was solid, and he transitioned very well between emotions. Are you suggesting you're a bettter golf cart driver than he is? (I couldn't tell if hitting the palm tree was intentional or not.)
     
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    What's the point? You said, "Show us your stuff" and I did. That was ME impersonating Tom Arnold! Seems I did it so well, you thought I was him.
     
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    Okay, so you can do it well. But can 70 percent of your neighbors do it just as well?
     
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    Nice try. that video was posted 2 yrs ago. It's a take from one of the
    scenes in "The Pool Boys."

    It's okay Steady, most people who talk **** on the web usually back down
    when called out. It's the internet, where there are more 5.0's than 3.5's,
    25% bodyfat = a 6 pack, and 350 lbs bench presses are weaksauce.

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    Much less than 98% of actors out there don't have the chops to do the job, yet are still being paid millions of dollars per film. Ever heard of Van Damme, Steven Seagal, etc. Its true that not everyone can do acting, I know I couldn't, but its not like people with little to no true talent don't get lucky breaks all the time. If you have the right image for a role, even if your acting sucks, you can get it. Its all about marketing. Most people don't appreciate good acting so its not necessary to find the best actors, but instead film producers would rather pick a big name like Keanu Reeves or Van Damme.

    You know in the music industry as well, most famous singers and musicians are no better than average when it comes to their chops. I mean how does someone like Britney Spears become a star when she has mediocre singing skills?
     
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    Ever heard of 2%?

    Not only that, those guys are generally better than people give them credit for. And remember, those guys and their movies are really about their fighting skills -- they aren't beating out some Juillard graduate for the role of the gay brother in some James L. Brooks tearjerker.

    Actually people do appreciate good acting, or more to the point, they take it for granted and don't notice it. They would hate many of the movies and TV shows they currently like if they were cast with truly bad actors.

    I'm not very familiar with Britney's work, but I would venture a guess that she's actuallly a better singer than given credit for, and she is offering a whole package of entertainment that includes dancing and image and whatever. I doubt that 99 percent of the population can do what she does as well as she does it.
     
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    I doubt he was seriously trying to fool us, onehandbh.:)
     
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    I DID that scene from Pool Boys, (a great movie BTW). See, I "channel" the actor. I can imitate almost anybody. Here's me in another scene.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv9uFxYhp3c&feature=related
     
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    Yes when good acting is necessary to tell the story, the actual talented actors are chosen. But that doesn't affect the thousands of movies featuring lousy actors and writing.

    With the success of such movies like Avatar, I think that a good number of people are more satisfied with eye candy then with substance.

    Well if she's a good singer, then why would she not demonstrate it? Her studio recordings are filled with vocal effects and she doesn't even sing live in concert.
     
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    There are very few movies that feature less than competent acting. Like 2 percent of them.

    Everyone one who hold views like this should be forced to watching truly lousing acting and then get back to us...

    Didn't see the film, but I'm betting the acting in it is professional and competent.

    I agree that people have horrible taste and low standards, but that's mostly related to story and plot elements. If the audience had to put up with actual bad acting in these films, it would take them out of the story and they would revolt.

    Again, I don't enough about her to say specifically, but people like her are generally more talented than people give them credit for, and actual singing ability is only part of her appeal. Her concerts aren't just standing at the mic lip syncing are they? She's probably dancing up a storm and otherwise working hard and doing stuff 99 percent of the population could not do.

    Is there any footage of her singing live? I'm sure she's had to do it a few times on TV shows or in concerts. I'd like to check it out if you know of any.
     
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