Is it cruel to boil lobsters alive?

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Is it cruel to boil lobsters alive?

Poll closed Mar 20, 2011.
  1. Yes, so don't do that and don't eat lobster.

    19 vote(s)
    29.2%
  2. Yes, but they taste better that way, so it's worth it.

    7 vote(s)
    10.8%
  3. No, it's just a lobster.

    24 vote(s)
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  4. I don't know, but it doesn't bother me.

    15 vote(s)
    23.1%
  1. Sentinel

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    melt the butter already!

    Melting butter might be cruel too. Maybe butter is conscious. Maybe it contains bacteria that are still alive and jiving. Or maybe spermatozoa.
     
  2. aphex

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    Yes.
    You shouldn't feel a thing.

    (if boiled)
     
  3. Dedans Penthouse

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    ^^LOL. Sentinel, take a more 'humane' approach:
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    Or maybe 'lobster sauce'

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    "I want you to cum on my gills!"
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  4. Sentinel

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    LMAO. Talk of being cruel :D
     
  5. pushing_wins

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    what is the last theory of everything say about the begining and end of the universe? does it address the beginning of time?
     
  6. Sentinel

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    The latest theory of the Universe says its lobsters all the way down.

    Darn, my grandma told me it was turtles. Ignorant old woman, even if she made the best jam sandwiches in the whole world.

    Time and space were created with this universe. They will end with it. No before, no after, no beyond.
     
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    It will be difficult to boil a lobster if there are no space and time.
     
  10. Sentinel

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    Yes.
    Everything will be difficult in a universe without space and time, for someone used to those concepts. However, when such a universe is created, all beings in it will not know of space and time.

    Trust me.
     
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    I hope there will still be lobsters in the spaceless, timeless (lack of) universe.
     
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    space x time will be replaced by lobster x butter.
     
  13. mtommer

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    Where do you get this stuff?

    Most people are religious because we all have spiritual sides to us regardless of "religion". The desire for more beyond this life is built into us as much as the need to breathe. Dismissing this is staring a fact in the face and pretending that it isn't there.
     
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    Just so you know, Lobster Sauce doesn't contain lobster...
     
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    Elementary my dear Watson. Just like HP sauce doesn't contain members of the Houses of Parliament.
     
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    Logic and science? Basic reasoning?
     
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    'Fraid not. I'll grant you typical anti-religion rhetoric though.
     
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    Why thank you Almighty one.

    Are you god?

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  19. mtommer

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    Well, yeaahhh. It took you this long to figure that out? And BTW, you're welcome. :D
     
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    so its a continium. no beginning, no end. however, nothing last forever. its a paradox, isnt it?

    given nothing last forever. for there to be a contimium, something must be added continuely. Creator is constantly working. isnt that the case?
     
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    Desire not equal to truth.
     
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    supernatural. what are they?
     
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    I wonder, not only does desire not create truth, is it even ethical to believe in things for which the evidence is weak or non-existent? I know that in plays like "The Iceman Cometh" that we're supposed to not like the man who confronts people with reality, that we're to be sympathetic to how people delude themselves. This has always puzzled me. I feel contempt for deluded people. In tennis terms, a 2.5 who thinks he's a 6.0 is worse than annoying.

    Also, people can create real problems with their delusions. Philosopher W. K. Clifford maintained that it was unethical to maintain a belief despite evidence against it. It's a minority view, but I think it makes sense.

    Clifford said, "It is wrong, always and everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything for insufficient evidence.". I tried to find his essay on the net, but all I found was comments on it. Anyway, the quote above is the gist of it.
     
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    Good point. It is OK to believe in a general way but that is not how religious fundamentalism works. It seeks to impose itself on others.

    Also, believing without evidence is actually stupidity and bad for society. Politicians can easily tap into this stupidity for other purposes. Stupidity also often goes hand in hand with anger - when someone believes without evidence while living in a modern society, there is usually a deeper cause rooted in anger. He knows he is wrong, but takes pride in it. So he becomes immune to rational arguments.

    In the old days, people did not know better. They could be forgiven because they did not have the knowledge. But having the knowledge, and denying it, is based on some other psychological issues.
     
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    Man,

    I'd like to discuss those last two posts over a nice lobster dinner....
     
  26. mtommer

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    Maybe. Maybe not. How does one arrive at truth anyway? With evidence? Surely. Of course, just one small example would be to say the Bible is evidence of what it puts forth, namely that being called "Sacred Scripture". Then naturally of course can we say the Bible "proves" (loosely used of course) the Bible? Fallacy! Fallacy! is the cry. Well, it would be if the Bible was a single source book. Of course it's not. It's actually a compilation of separate and therefore corraberative works. Again, that's just one small example of evidence that religion is based on. So then, to decry that evidence one must prove, not suggest but actually prove, the evidence false. Now then, being skeptical is not the same as saying it isn't evidence of what it portrays itself to be.

    So then to get back to the previous comments, is it immoral to hold view with little evidence? No, it's not. Fortunately this debate as it regards religion is moot for religion (some more than others of course) do in fact have a rather large body of evidence supporting it. However, it is also important to note that in the similar way evolutionists decry YEC that they always "move the goalposts", so to do those who have decided that because of the claims put forth in Scripture that the burden of evidence needs be held to sooooo much higher of a standard than for anything else.
     
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    You have to realize that science is not the hypothesis-experiment-proof system that we are taught in school. It is way beyond that. There can be no evidence of a fossil if the conditions did not permit fossilization. Till Tiktalia was discovered, the missing link of a fish with a neck and rudimentary legs for walking was not there. People kept on asking for it, as if animals in the past had a duty to die in an environment where they can be fossilized. But before the discovery, there were many many missing links formed already, and DNA analysis showed the trend. So someone who wants proof of every missing link is not being honest. Once Tiktalia is found, they will ask for something else.

    Same with high-energy physics. You cannot create the big bang, only accumulate evidence through various other means, including mathematics. So again someone who says "show me the big bang" while ignoring the enormous body of evidence pointing to it is not being honest.
     
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    Likewise with the evidence for God and/or the supernatural if you will. There are of course holes but often you'll see the arguments against religion involve jumping over the holes pretending the hole doesn't need to be filled only to later claim that it also shouldn't need to be filled (ie God or whatever should fill it and therefore by not filling it this means the likelihood of x existance is of course in doubt).
     
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    What you call universe, is actually only ripples in pure awareness. It is an illusion. Forget space and time, even matter and energy don't exist outside of this illusion.
     
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    nevermind

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    the gap between the two is an opporunity to make $$$

    that lead me to think about biases in gambling
     
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    Have you been watching Inception again?:)
     
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    I and Inception are both within the illusion. The illusion is real, but it's contents are illusory.
     
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    Your theory is good but it has a glaring flaw:

    Why would Fedace exist in the illusion?
     
  35. Sentinel

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    No flaw at all. People like Fedace exist to give you a hint that it is an illusion, so you can try to make your way out.

    Think it over.
     
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    Is it cruel to boil lobbers alive?
     
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