is it just me or is Jimmy Conners and Martina painful?

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  1. iscottius

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    I have been working out of the house today and have listened to the better part of the broadcast today. I must say I have enjoyed Jimmy calling the matches and his insight, but he and Martina are like a broken record longing for the style of play when they were champions. It has gotten a bit tedious.

    The womens game is one dimensional, get over it. Pure serve and volley doesn't work anymore, deal with it.
     
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  2. robertk29

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    beyond painful and totally boring and never shut up. dont watch much TC their Open coverage is terrible, never staying with a match, and everytime I turn them on its a 3 hour boring wta'er........................
     
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  3. iscottius

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    thank you, beginning to think it was me :)
     
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    Anything related to WTA is disgusting.
     
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  5. marc45

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    it's a struggle to be sure, doesn't help them with the lesser matches
     
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  6. Feña14

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    We had Jimmy Connors at Wimbledon a few years ago and he was ok, nothing special.

    Sky Sports have Peter Fleming all year round and he's brilliant! He's much better in the box than his old doubles partner anyway.
     
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    Connors is really awkward on camera and isn't very insightful. Martina is slightly better but she does seem awfully cranky at times, like she's kind of bitter about how much players make today and how the game has changed, etc.

    For the most part, except for Agassi, it seems like less talented players would make for better commentators because, think about it, they're the ones who had to think more out there in order to win. There are exceptions. Besides Agassi, I bet Santoro, who has mad skills, would have interesting insights into strategy, and same with Federer. But Mac, Connors, and Martina are opinionated but don't really seem to have a lot of insight. After hearing Darren Cahill, Justin, and Brad this week, I'm almost over McEnroe, and I was kind of a fan before.
     
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    Martina is terrible, but it's mostly because of her annoying accent. And she's very negative.
     
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    I agree!

    Jimmy was OK commentator, made many intelligent points, but certainly a better player than a commentator, and he was far better than McEnroe:)
     
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    Robbie Koenig is the best
     
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  11. madmax7776

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    I can't stand Mc either. He just won't shut the hell up. I'm trying to watch tennis, that's why I turn the tv on, not to hear that dude talk out of his ass. If I wanted to hear someone yap yap and yap, I'd turn on the radio. Damn it... haha... I'm pissy today.
     
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    Yikes, I get a sense that Jimbo has not really followed much tennis over recent years. He seems a bit clueless and not all that informed. I am so disappointed in his commentary, lifeless and out of touch.

    Martina in stark contrast knows of what she speaks and is up to date on the tour in 2009 even if she is tough on players. She has HIGH standards after all!
     
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    conners is boring, but martina is very insightful if you are a tennis player.
    she is very knowledgeable about the game.
     
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  14. iscottius

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    conners has no clue of the modern game__ he just said you can't hit off your backfoot, or leaning backwards, tennis is a moving forward game.

    i guess he's never seen Rafa or djoko play.
     
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    They are giving the BEST advice i have ever heard to Roddick.......... MOVE into the court to hit the ball,,, don't wait for it........
     
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  16. iscottius

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    yes roddick stays too far behind the baseline and waits for the ball, this has been discussed forever on these boards.

    jimmy and martina keep pining about the old days serve and volley etc. jimmy doesn't realize that the equipment and the players have changed, and the players are so strong and the racquet speed is so great, they can generate tremendous pace off the back foot.

    jimmy needs to get on board with modern tennis, so they can better commentate,all of his insights are based on when and how he played and most of his technical analysis and strategy is outdated. the only insights i find relevant are those around mindset and mental game.

    jimmy/john/martina/carillo have an agenda
     
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  17. NamRanger

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    The biggest problem with Roddick is that :


    1. He used to cover up his weakness of poor positioning with huge power, so it was never a big problem

    2. Now that he doesn't put nearly as much on his ball, he gets exposed BADLY

    3. If he stands up on the baseline he can't time the ball nearly as well



    So he's in sort of a hard place.
     
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  18. ttbrowne

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    Jimmy still thinks he could bring his old game on court and beat most of the players on tour....as does Martina. They just can't get over the fact that they are...over.
     
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    I thought Martina was acceptable, Jimmy needs to quit.
     
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  20. FiveO

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    They have provided some of the most insightful observations in years. Navratilova's accent is off putting however "what" she says and critiques is absolutely spot on.

    Connors has absolutely hit the nail on the head match after match.

    Just their commentary yesterday PM i.e.: Roddick v. Isner, Safin v. Kvitova and Blake v. Robredo was absolutely spot on and rife with gems. Down to predicting an ill-fated surprise tactic thrown in at the end of a contest involving one of the above.

    Alot of newbies to the game will resist it because the enter with a preconceived notion that evolution is synonomous with improvement so anything they say critiquing how a particular player today is approaching points, a match, the game in general or even stroke production is seen as an attack or motivated by bitterness.

    Getting around on-air awkwardness, accents, etc. what they have been saying both in the form of praise and critiques comes across as refreshingly honest and straight forward.

    If a particular age group here takes that personally, IMO that age group is missing gems of wisdom coming from those who have been there/done that.

    I hope that the powers that be don't muzzle these two, or change their commentary to fit some popularity poll from viewers.

    If someone listened to their TTC commentary yesterday and have a problem with it, please point out where either of them were off base. Some might not like some of the things that they said, but that doesn't make them wrong. Those dismissing what they say are missing some free lessons from two of the greatest players that ever lived.


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  21. Cindysphinx

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    ^The things Jimmy says are dumb. They are typical platitudes, just stating the obvious.

    Jimmy actually said during the Roddick match: "Andy needs to decide whether he wants to stay and play the US Open or go home."

    I beg your pardon?

    How about some analysis on exactly what Roddick could do differently to turn things around?
     
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  22. jimbo333

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    Andy clearly decided to go home. Jimmy was right!
     
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  23. iscottius

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    jimmy sucks........
     
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  24. mrmo1115

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    So sad that ESPN isn't covering the Open anymore... so sad...
     
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  25. JavierLW

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    Thank you! I felt the same way as Ive been watching a LOT of the US Open.

    I feel like we're evaluating players from the late 70's / early 80's.

    Martina drove me nuts the other night because she was claiming that players spend way too much time in the gym these days and doing core exercises, and they would be better off playing other sports and cross training.

    I think that's just ignorant, core exercises are something that is big in almost any sport, not just tennis, and I think it's part of the reason why some of these players are performing at levels that did not exist in the past.

    Beating yourself down playing basketball or some other sport really doesnt hold water to having the time to strengthen your body so you are prepared to play.

    I also hate when the commentary is biased toward certain players either because they are Americans or because they happen to be the media darling or the big story.

    I watch a lot of football, and I feel the same way there, that sort of commentary is really driven at the novice fan who is only there for emotional involvement versus a respect and admiration for the sport.

    I feel that the McEnroe's do a much better job of being objective in that area. The general sports announcers (like Enberg), and Martina and Connors are not like that.

    I also hate that Martina keeps criticizing the players when they are losing with her no stop chatter about how they should do "this" or how they should do "that".....

    That reminds me of a lot of successful players that I know in my personal life. They are talented and they can be very successful, but when they start running their mouth, they really are not someone you want to listen too, as well as they dont really care or understand their audence.

    (but in Martina's defense, she's on some gig as a match anaylst so she's somewhat in a position to be forced to keep coming up with something to say, that can be very hard....)
     
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  26. Cfidave

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    It is hard not to listen when Connors talks. You wonder what goes on in the mind of someone who was so hugely successful at their sport. Having said that, he does get a little to instructional at times, don't do this, or don't do that. Overall, he does tend to be right more often then wrong, and some of his observations are pretty slick.
     
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  27. lordmanji

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    i love hearing martina's commentary actually. she can and does break down technique, strategy, the state of the match, psychology -- everything. and she has an opinion which makes her more interesting.

    jimmy just states the obvious when he's not deferring to martina. its embarassing how little he seems to know about the current state of the game and asking martina her opinion. he's basically another play by play commentator when bill macatee is already there.
     
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  28. AllDownTheLine

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    Is this you on Referencetown.com? Sounds familiar:
    http://referencetown.com/comment.aspx?id=b0af28eb-fa5c-4112-9bef-11cf14f2b464 :)
     
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    Agree. Connors needs to do this more often and get better - or have a smaller role - or not bother.

    Very, very negative. I'm still waiting for her to tell us why let serves should be in play and what that would fix in the game.

    Most of the Tennis Channel play by play people are good. Doug Adler and The Fiery One Fred Stolle doing Fed - Robredo was awesome. Like hanging out with very knowledgeable tennis buddies and BS'ing while watching a match.
     
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  30. Andre's Mom

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    One of the commentators of the tennis channel kept calling Gonzo,
    Francisco, I though his partner was going to correct him, but no.
    Will see next match.
    I like them a lot.
     
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  31. Shaolin

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    Navratilova/Connors are not PAINFUL the way Mary Gorilla, Barry MacKay and Jimmy Arias are, but they do nothing but criticize and complain, they sound like a couple of old codgers that should be sitting out on their rocking chairs, eating licorice and reminiscing about the old days.
     
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    Hilarious, kinda reminds me of John Madden. "Listen, this team needs to get to the other end of the field." Thanks John, for your fantastic insight into the game of football.
     
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    I don't mind Jimmy Connors but Martina on the other hand sometimes gets too excited. I like it when killer Cahill mentioned that Stepaneks girlfriend is smoking hot.
     
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    Exactly cfidave, I agree completely, and he knows when to shut up, unlike say McEnroe!
     
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    And then they cut to a shot of her and it's Vaidesova. What a disappointment after that build-up.
     
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  36. IvanYentl

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    Connors is a bit too monotone and after he makes an observation he tends to punctuate it with "what do you think Martina?" which is highly annoying. Like, c'mon Jimmy, don't you think your observations can stand alone? OTOH he is not afraid of dead air, which is nice.

    Connors' physical appearance is also a bit troubling. He's starting to look like a grandmother.

    Martina is always excellent. The rhythms of her voice will never change, which is fine by me. I find her observations really useful and love when she points out mistakes players are making and how to correct them.
     
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  37. 35ft6

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    But overall, I've been really loving the commentating at this US Open. Even though there seems to be about 20 people in rotation. Out of the women, I like Mary Joe Fernandez the best. She's not reactive like Connors and Martina, who will say "that was good" when a player wins the point, and "that was dumb" when they lose. They don't applaud the correct approach, knowing even if you're using the correct tactic you're bound to lose points occasionally, they just say good or bad depending on whether they won the point. Or so it seems. Mac also tends to do this a lot.

    But MJ, Cahill, Brad Gilbert, and Justin have all been solid. Even Pam Shriver is pretty decent. Jimmy Arias is so hit or miss. It's so depressing to think that for the final, the commentators will probably be Enberg, Carillo, and Mac. I wish it was Cahill, Gilbert, and Mac.
     
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  38. JankovicFan

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    Connors comments like he is coaching. It seems out of place and gets annoying after awhile. I would like to hear how a millionaire player is successful as well as how they lost some point. These are not tots on the playground. Martina is condescending too. They are like 800 pound gorillas in the room. I don't see anyone at a high level paying them to coach with any regularity.
     
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    What we need is a volunteer. Someone to write down some of the real pearls and then report back to the group. . . .
     
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    I like to turn down the sound when I watch, same for football...I can't stand the stating of the obvious. For those who aren't familiar with the game I can understand listening to every word, but for me it's just noise.

    Martina was arrogant, cold and moody during her playing days. Connors chose big-purse exhibitions over Davis Cup and hated Arthur Ashe...so I really don't give to s**ts what either one of them has to say.

    Oh, and players don't serve and volley anymore...live in the now. Kinda hard to get up to the net when you're serving 125 mph.
     
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    What I don't like about Jimmy Connors and Martina Navratilova is that all their commentary is based on how they would do things differently on the court than the players they are commenting on. They both want the modern players to play like they would.

    As an aside, the ESPN team is really the best hands down. Darrin Cahill, Brad Gilbert, Pat McEnroe, and MJ Fernandez are really good since they have recent insight about the players from the coaching ranks. Mary Carillo and John McEnroe are just good period. Chris Fowler does a very good job of keeping it all together too. Cliff Crysdale and Pam Shriver can be annoying but still not bad.
     
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    Vaidisova has actually improved her looks. I think as she aged a little her physical appearance improved slightly.

    I don't know if she's injured or has no desire of playing again on tour but hopefully she comes back, she was a good player.
     
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    Not Really

    While they are not dynamic commentators, personality wise, they make interesting observations. Granted their frame of reference comes from a different era, however, that does not invalidate it....

    Connors does tend to commentate like a coach however....Martina, I think, misses seeing some of the old serve and volley on the courts....don't think any of the kids learn it anymore....they've been churning out baseline bangers for some time now...
     
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    As said before - the ESPN team has an agenda - marketing over tennis...
    slavish flattery of the stars, human interest stories, slavish flattery of the stars, PC and "star based" presentation based on gathering more and more viewers (unfortunately at the expense of the game) - the ESPN lowlight was that clip (of course we missed some nonstar match) featuring three giggling girls and the whole point was for them to say that Tommy Haas was "hot.."

    I thoroughly enjoy Martina and Jimmy in comparison - hey, we are actually talking tennis and maybe with afew valid digs at a star - heaven forbid.
     
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  45. Harry_Wild

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    Love to see Jimbo and Johnny Mac together as commentators for a match. That will be like the two on the court maybe. Start off friendly and nice and heated and opinionated during the middle of the match and maybe at the end a full blows during the handshake at the finished of the match.

    I think that is why they have never been paired together that I know of. Am I right or have they been on TV together on a match?
     
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    I actually like Martina. She sounds like she actually knows what she's talking about.
     
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  47. jrepac

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    connors & mac

    Several years back, 1990, I think, when connors did not play the Open due to his wrist injury, he did a few interviews of players for CBS. He did actually interview Mac after a match...I recall it was pretty humorous. I also enjoyed listening to Mac do commentary on Connors' matches in '91. I actually think underneath the surface, there is a lot of respect between them...once you get past the competitive animosity (which should be in the past by now?)...they might be a very interesting pairing. Course, if they disagreed on something...uh-oh...!!

    However, I find the current Connors-Martina pairing fairly agreeable...they seem to work nicely together and come at things from a very different perspective than the others. And, they don't pamper the personalities...they tell it like it is...
     
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  48. lordmanji

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    most hated words by a commentator ever: "what do you think, martina?"
     
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