Is it "Na Li" or is it "Li Na"?

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Which is it?

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  1. MasterTS

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    The ESPN commentators keep calling her Li Na as if Li is her first name and Na is her last name.. but on the tournament draws and scores they list Li vs Cljisters etc...

    Is this some asian spelling reverse rule or are the ESPN commentators idiots as always?
     
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  2. KBalla08

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    same thing with yao ming in the nba, they write their last names 1st i think, so her last name is Li, but she writes it first... thats what ive learned here in houston having yao on the rockets lol
     
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  3. skip1969

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    yeah, i agree. i'm no expert and i'm not chinese, but the surname is first, given name second. so yao ming is mr. yao and na li should be ms. na.
     
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  4. str33t

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    its just because espn sucks :rolleyes:
     
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  5. skip1969

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    hmmm . . . well, it's ms. na when you address her, i suppose. but she would write na li.

    but yeah, espn still sucks.;)
     
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  6. Marat Safinator

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    Na Li is the correct way.
     
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  7. pached

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    Na Li is the correct western way to say it. East Asians put the surname (family name aka last name) before the given name (first name), so the commentators were trying to be politically correct when saying Li Na. They wouldn't say Ms. Na though. It would still be Ms. Li.
     
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  8. pound cat

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    the next lesson willl be in the correct pronunciation of the Russian women's names as in Kuz NETsova, SharAH pova,
     
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  9. highsierra

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    Li is a very common Chinese surname, it's as common as last names like Smith in English. Na is the given name.

    I don't think the ESPN commentators were even aware what they're saying to be politically correct or otherwise. I guess Chinese would say western names in either order too, and in Chinese!
     
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  10. Buzzlightyear

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    Agree with KBalla08. If you call Yao Ming as "Yao Ming", then you also should call Li Na as "Li Na". Yao and Li are their family name (surname) and the Chinese name format have their family name come first.

    I think the western format (i.e family name come last) should be used only when they give themselves an English first name. So say for example if someday Yao Ming woke up and like to call himself John, then you can call him John Yao.

    If you call them with their complete Chinese name, then you should use the Chinese format, i.e. Yao Ming. That's exactly what his name is pronouced in Chinese.
     
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  11. emcee

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    It seems you were the idiot! Great idea for a poll...that's a great way to find the answers!
     
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  12. MasterTS

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    I was the first person to place the vote, and my vote is correct. Who's the idiot now, fool.
     
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  13. Dan007

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    The first name and the last name is the opposite in China, Korea, etc. In US we would call her Na Li, but in China they would call her Li Na
     
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  14. emcee

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    Yeah you correctly noted that there was some "reverse Asian spelling rule". Well put. Then you had to start a poll to validate what you thought. It's just a dumb thing to do...to start a poll, like it's going to do anything.
     
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  15. cricri

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    Even in some french-speaking coutries like mine, we put the Lastname before the Firstname. It's since i have been here in the U.S.that i have to do the opposite.
     
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  16. MasterTS

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    Did it ever occur to you I made the poll and made it public to see who the idiots were on the board? LoL you being one of them .
     
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  17. SER

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    it's the same with all those players....Peng Shaui, Sun Tian-Tian, Zheng Jie.....Chinese do that **** backwards I guess
     
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  18. Golden Retriever

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    Whichever sounds better would do. Yao Ming just sounds a lot better than Ming Yao so Yao Ming it is, doesn't matter if it is upside down or inside out. For Na Li, I think Li Na sounds better so Li Na it is. By the way, Na Li means "what" in Japanese so calling her Na Li would get her into trouble in Japan. You don't want that do you?
     
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  19. Fedexeon

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    Her name is Li Na. Not Na Li. Confirm bout this.
     
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  20. Nyl

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    alrite, i'm chinese, i think i can put this thread into an end.

    Na = first name and
    Li = Last name

    we call people by their last name FIRST and first name LAST ie. Li Na
    in the case of Yao ming,

    Ming = first name
    Yao = last name

    n we call him, Yao Ming, as the westerners SHOULD call him Ming Yao but they don't
     
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  22. emcee

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    I'm an idiot because I think you're an idiot for making a poll? I didn't vote in your poll and I know all about the "reverse Asian spelling rule"...I AM Asian! But I won't argue with the "artist formerly known as twistserve".

    Also, I like how it took you a day to come up with this excuse for your poll. As you idiots say..."LoL!"
     
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  23. emcee

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    Yeah, Retriever Golden, would you want people switching around YOUR first and last name by whatever "sounds better"?
     
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  24. malakas

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    You honestly believe that if someone doens't happen to know the east-Asian order for names..is an idiot???
    :rolleyes:
     
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  25. Golden Retriever

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    I don't really mind.
     
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  27. MasterTS

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    HAHAHAH...
     
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  28. ATXtennisaddict

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    Her last name is Li. Her first name is Na.

    In America, it's first/last where as in asia (chinese names), it's last/first...unless you have an english name, that always comes first regardless or where you are.
     
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  29. sureshs

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    BTW, this first name/last name inversion is common in the southern parts of India too. It gets more complicated because the legal first name is often the father's legal last name, so there is no "surname" to carry over from generation to generation.

    A.B -> father, who is known as B or Mr. B
    B.C-> son/daughter, who is known as C or Mr/Ms C
    C.D->grandson/granddaughter thru male C, known as D or Mr/Ms D
    F.E->grandson/granddaughter thru female C, known as E or Mr/Ms E, where F is C's husband

    However, the legal last name, which is the first name, is used only as a way to address the person. The first and last names are not inverted and used together. So, B would not be called Mr. B.A
     
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  30. MasterTS

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    Are you asian?
     
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  31. malakas

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    That's nothing.I have read that in Moggolia the government had banned any surnames for hunderds of years.And now they try to create them again.
    There are restaurants who make free DNA-tests to find the grand-grand children of known families.....:neutral:
     
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  32. malakas

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    my grandmother was from minor asia ..but what that has to do with anything??:confused:
     
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  33. MasterTS

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    Plenty :)
     
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  34. norcal

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    How come so many soccer players have only one name? And how come they use 'nil' for zero? And why does Rafa look so disinterested in his beard...err I mean 'girlfriend'?

    So many questions so little time.
     
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  35. sureshs

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    What is minor asia? I have heard of Asia Minor, which is Turkey.

    Oh, to add more to this thread, check out Muslim naming conventions. X bin Y means X, son of Y. Then, there is the use of "al-". But I am no expert in this.
     
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  36. MasterTS

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    How tall are you malakas?
     
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  37. malakas

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    yeah..that's what I meant..But not Turkey.It's the Anatolia peninsula which is now the state of Turkey.But it was not always and not only Turks lived and live there.
     
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  38. malakas

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    Whatd you care???;)
    I don't say anything..if I don't hear your answers first!!:p
     
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  39. MasterTS

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    Trying to figure out what type of tennis player you are. If you're tall you may have some good power but if you're real short you're probably real consistent. So how tall are you and how much do you weigh?
     
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  40. malakas

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    lol
    IF that's what you trying to figure out..then I will be glad to inform you that I am a beginner and my game..well..my game..is what it is!!!:cool:
    Everyone has to start from somewhere!!
     
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  41. th41291

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    Ok. I'm Chinese, so I'm credible. :)

    The tennis player is called Li Na, with Li being her family name.
    The basketball player is called Yao Ming, with Yao being his family name.

    Why would you ever start a poll? haha, what an idiot! (Sorry, just wondering about people's stupidity sometimes.)
     
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  42. mowcopian

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    its just like football. with js park for man u. it is pronounced park ji sung.
     
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  43. iamke55

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    I knew Americans were clueless about other countries, but wow...
     
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  44. MasterTS

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    meo meo meo
     
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    On scoreboards given names are shortened, like
    M. Hingis
    P. Schnyder
    N. Li
     
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  46. lorenza

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    lol...:rolleyes:
     
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  47. Zets147

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    Doubleeeeeeee

    It's Li Na!
     
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    I'm medium and I'm neither! lmao
     
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  49. Gilgamesh

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    I have a friend with the same name.

    It is Li Na. Chinese way is surname first.

    For her English name, my friend just combines her name into Lina.
     
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  50. mhstennis100

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    And Ichiro Suzuki, he plays baseball for the Mariners I think. Ichiro is the name on his uniform.
     
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