Is it possible to go frm 3.5 to 5.5-6.0 in one year?

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  1. Hrandyrko

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    Howdy y'all and thanks for viewing this. I'm starting to take tennis more seriously now that I've set a pretty ambitious goal for myself.

    Today the idea of going from 3.5 to 6.0 in one year has dawned upon me.

    Is it possible? As a 6.0, what should I be able to do with my strokes? What effect will my strokes have on my opponent?

    Also, on my road to a 6.0 from a 3.5, what should I set my ranking goal as by next summer?
     
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  2. Djokovicfan4life

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    You don't realize just how good 6.0 is, do you?

    3.5 is average for a tennis player, while a 6.0 is practically a pro.
     
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  3. Hrandyrko

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    I've never seen a 6.0 to be honest. Someone in my other thread told me that if I had the talent to become a professional, I would have needed to be a 6.0 by now. Since I am not a 6.0 I will try to achieve that status in another year. Am I doing anything wrong? If 6.0 is practically pro, I honestly wouldn't mind achieving that in two years.
     
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    Go play against your local college's players. You will need to be better than them by quite a bit to go pro.
     
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    Oui, thanks Smurf...I think Nassau Community College is near here. Do you think they allow people to walk in and hit with them?
     
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    From 3.5 to 5.0 in a year = IMPOSSIBLE
    From 3.5 to 5.5 in a year = IMPOSSIBLE
    From 3.5 to 6.0 in a year = IMPOSSIBLE

    From 3.5 to 5.0 in two years = HUGELY UNLIKELY, just for the sake of not saying IMPOSSIBLE.
    From 3.5 to 5.5 in two years = IMPOSSIBLE
    From 3.5 to 6.0 in two years = IMPOSSIBLE
     
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    well nope its almost impossible .. well,unless you hit 7 hours a day / 7 days a weak with a good partner/coach. you wouldn't mind achieving?? you would be lucky if you reach that level at any point of time not in just two years. but since you are 14 if you have talent and practice more seriously you could be there at age 17 .. so you would have to be 4.5 by next summer 5.5 by the next and 6 in the 1 that follows. im not discourging you from pursuing your dream but im just being realistic . i would love it if i would become a pro im a 4.5 at age 16 . but i dont see any possibility so i should keep studying 4 now i guess :(
     
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    Alright, thanks Andres and Moroni. Let's see what can happen in three years then.
     
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    Wow....You need to gain a little perspective to understand just how naive your questions are. Go watch some professional, challenger, futures, college and even high school tennis players and develop a basic understanding of what each level player's game looks like. In addition, when looking at players with ratings of 5.5-6.0, try and understand what they did to get there, what kind of playing experience they have, conditioning, diet, coaching, etc.

    Only then will you be able to fully understand the answers to your questions.
     
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  10. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    Agreed.


    Definately possible. But highly unlikely for a 3.5 that's been playing for years at that level. Too many bad habits. A talented 14 yo junior though, could be very strong at 16.

    Hugely unlikely, but i think possible.
     
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  11. Swissv2

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    How to tell?

    Play a legit 5.0-6.0 player and see how you handle the game.

    Only watching the game is deceiving. You have to physically play these guys.
     
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    I think it is not really possible but I think my goal is more realistic. I want to be a 5.0 by the end of next summer, and right now I am 4.0-4.5. This is very possible for me because with the limited resources I was presented with ( no transportation, no coach or any lesson my entire life, cheap strings, and the most important poor hitting partners than me, with the exception of one hitting partner.) in two years I was able to become a 4.0-4.5 and I wasted this summer doing nothing and got back to playing again tennis a month ago. Now I have more people willing to give me rides to the courts, an indoor membership, and T-W fourms. Now if I try hard I know I can make it to 5.0 no matter what every one else says, I just need a better hitting partner than me. I think a more realistic goal would be to aim at 4.5 because I was able to acheive that level with in two years with quite limited resources. You know I think its possible to be a 5.0 from 4.0 in a year but not from 3.5.
     
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  13. Andres

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    Ultra, in another thread he posted he has been playing for 13 months only.
    Going from 1.0 to 5.0 in three years? Can't see it.
     
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    Why not make your goal to be a legit 5.0 in two years and go from there? That's a pretty aggressive goal that will keep you busy taking weekly private lessons, and drilling almost daily. 6.0 is unattainable for most people, unless they're very young, very fit, and have a lot of natural talent.
     
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    Two handed backhand players will be the easiest to improve greatly in the fastest amount of time. This is not debateable.
     
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    Agreed, if I practiced my 2hbh for 2 weeks it could be just as good as my 1h bh, but I love the 1h bh.
     
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  17. Swissv2

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    Most realistic goal: 3.5-5.0 in 5 years given extensive training.
     
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    I didn't start playing until 13. At 16 i made to a couple semis of big draws in out of town usta tournaments. Semis of a big draw open tournament(not as strong as today). Beat a good div2 player form UMD. Could beat the local 4.5-5.0 teaching pro's. Ask coaching mastery, he will tell you it's possible to be 5.0 in two years and can routinely achieve these results. Mostly with juniors i imagine.
     
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    I agree if you started at 13 and at 16 you could be a weak 5.0. I think this is possible for me I started at 13 and now I am 15 and play at 4.0-4.5 level.
     
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    Well lets see. There are players who are young teens who are discovered by coaches like Nick Bolletieri. They drop out of high school and train full time at a prestigious academy. After thousands of hours of practice over a couple years they top out at 6.0-6.5 and never end up with a pro career.

    So let me you ask you this. What makes you better than these players? What training regimen are you going to do that is superior to those who drop out of high school and train full time at a tennis academy with world class coaching? If you can't reasonably answer this question then you have NO CHANCE of having anything even remotely close to a pro career.
     
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  22. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    I won't tell you to switch, but i recommend it highly. Most one handers can't hit a good two hander. If you can hit a good two hander it should no doubt be more consistent. It's a stroke that needs to be taught usually.
     
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    bump.......
     
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    I am very unusual and pick up everything very quickly so nothing is hard to adapt to me for me. I will think about this and discuss it with some coaches around my area. Or I might just start a thread with vids of my 1h bh and my 2h bh and see what people think.
     
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    That is definetly debatable, what makes you think two-hander is easier than one-hander to improve? Let me guess, you play with a two hander.
     
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    How tall are you? are you strong and athletic?It makes a big difference.

    I think 3.5 to 5.0 in 2 years is very possible.
    But you need to practice real hard .. maybe 22-25 hours per week.
    It gets boring.. so you have to mix it up:
    rally/serve/volleys/wall/ball machine and lots of match play

    So 5.0 at 16,
    If you keep at it
    5.5 at 17.5-18
    6.0 at 19-20
    This still does not get you to pro level..
    maybe started 2-4 yrs too late
     
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  27. Mick

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    >>Is it possible to go frm 3.5 to 5.5-6.0 in one year?<<

    if someone could do this and would write a book on how it was done, that book would become a world wide best seller, among readers who happen to be tennis players :)
     
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    This is highly unlikely. Many/most ppl stay at the 3.5 level their whole lives. Getting to a 3.5 level in about 1 year is outstanding progress but an elite (world-class) player may have gotten to a 4.0+ level in that time at your age. If you are way above average, a 4.5 level in another year is possible, but not likely for most ppl.
     
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  29. KrossKourt

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    nothing's impossible. all it takes is hardwork and dedication and sacrifice. so if you want to go from 3.5 to 6.0 in a year. some advice would be

    :to quit everything else in your life and focus on tennis.
    :hire a good trained pro coach to train you
    :condition yourself physically (strength training, endurance training)
    :eat, breathe, sleep tennis.
    :play matches and tournaments all year round
    :no parties, no women, no drinking, no friends, no life, JUST TENNIS!

    I'm pretty sure you can go from 3.5 to 6.0 if you're dedicated enough.

    just an example.
    MMA Fighter BJ Penn took only 3 years to reach black belt in Jiu Jitsu.
    It usually takes 10 years or more for a person to achieve black belt.
    And the better part is that BJ Penn (after turning black belt) was beating people who've done Jiu Jitsu longer than him, especially Jiu Jitsu champions.
     
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  30. Sup2Dresq

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    You're from Long Island, NY?

    Who has been filling your head with these ideas?

    Was he wearing a patch and playing with a broomstick?
     
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    I know someone who went to 6.0 even though they never passed the 3.0 level.
     
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    It depends upon two things, the intangibles and the tangibles. The intangibles is the mental side of the game. Besides mental toughness as a player, you also need to have an uncanny sense of anticipation of your player as well as what to do with the ball to win points. The tangibles are your strokes, footwork and fitness. One can be taught, the other not so much. To make 6.0 in a year I would say that you have to be a 6.0 already who just can't do what you want to do yet because your tangibles aren't quite there yet.

    So, do you have these intangibles? Do you find yourself groaning when you get beaten because you know you could have beaten your opponent if only you could do what you had wanted? Do you find yourself defeating yourself because you go for the shots and just haven't got the technique yet to make those shots (you come close to making the shot but you're still a foot off either way many times)? As another poster pointed out, are you ready to devote yourself 24/7 to tennis? Another reality (also already pointed out) is that you need to get to a tennis academy. It's the only place you're going to find consistently top talent to spar with. You don't need one hitting partner who's good, you need a hundred. Everybody is "good" in their own ways and you need a myriad of ways to truly challenge you.
     
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    I'd say the only way for it to be possible is a world-class athlete in another racket sport, suddenly decide that he will switch to tennis.

    so say a top 10 squash / badminton player - picks up a tennis racket for the first time, he'd be a 3.5 on that day.... but can certainly become 5.5 in a year for sure.

    I have heard stories about a badminton pro plays tennis for the first time ever, he'd serve a ball, stand at net and no 4.5 guys can pass him.

    but, basically, this thread is another one of those initiated by someone with infinite naivity.
     
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    Extremely unlikely - even on a 3 year timeframe. Something like the upper 3.5% of all tennis players are 5.0 or above. To get there even in 10 years is something 96.5% of people will never do.

    I won't say impossible - but it would require a massive commitment of time and resources. To get above 5.0 you probably need some talent that not all people have, and a massive work ethic.

    I suppose if you sequestered yourself in a place like Serbia and could afford to get a decent coach at a facility that has many other players and you devoted at least 6 hours a day at least 5 days a week, and could afford to travel to tournaments, and you had some talent - there is a chance you could get close to 5.0 after 3 years, presuming you did all the hard work required to do so and are a quick learner. That is probably optimistic.

    You never know - you might have the right set of talent and commitment to be one of the few who do. I guarantee you will have substantial sacrifices to do so and no guarantee of success.

    Good luck! K_I
     
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    You're not going to do it on Long Island.
    The winter season is just too long, and you are not going to get the match play and high grade practice you'd get with your peers at a Florida tennis academy.

    You've got to watch the video Unstrung to see what the top juniors go through. Notice how incredibly good they are, and that just one out of this group are making it on the Tour.
    http://unstrungmovie.com/

    Enjoy your tennis.
    Concentrate on school.
    Make great friends.
    Take advantage of all that the greater New York area has to offer.
     
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    Wow guys, thanks soooooo much for your constructive criticism! Here's the new deal. 3.5 to 5.0 by next summer. I THINK I can handle that. About what Charliefederer said, I believe he is right. The winter is coming very, very soon and I will not have that extra outdoor play that enabled me to play ungodly hours of tennis. However, I'm currently beginning to search for a partner who is willing to split the costs of indoor court fees with me during the winter. That will be in addition to my private lessons, group lessons, and fitness training regimen. Thanks again y'all, and I'll be sure to keep you updates with my progress in tennis. As soon as I get a reasonable camera, I will be able to put videos up of how far I've gotten in a certain amount of time.
     
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    For some reason I still don't think you get it. Maybe if you're lucky you'll be a 4.0 by next summer. :)
     
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    Okay, thanks Raiden031.
     
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    I know and I hate this too. It is so expensive to play five hours a day indoors at $20 an hour. I wish places had 50 courts so there would never be a wait and you only had to pay a monthly membership. Unlimited court-time, no restrictions. Heck, if ya' needs' a hundred courts, then so be it. (I know, I know, I'm dreamin'.)
     
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    Is it possible to go frm 3.5 to 5.5-6.0 in one year?

    No. And did I say no?

    Most people who dedicate their entire lives to playing tennis never ever make it to 6.0.
     
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    My question is: Have you actually played against a lot of guys that are computer rated 4.5 players? I think you might be in for a rude awakening.
     
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    I'm curious. What do your parents say about all of this?

    I ask just because I have kids your age and these sorts of issues have not come up for me. I'm wondering how another parent would handle it.

    I think that if I thought you were really completely serious that I would send you to the best training facility I could afford immediately. I would want you to either get a rude awakening or a tremendous confidence boost based on the experience.

    What I would not want is for you to squander your precious high school years on a pipe dream, thereby missing the valuable opportunity to explore other avocations and interests that might lead you to your life's work. I would consider this Fish Or Cut Bait time.
     
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    You don't comprehend well do you. If you take a junior and teach him a two hander vs a one handed backhand it's agreed it takes the least amount of time to get consistent results. Most junior players who get good real fast have two handed backhands vs one handers which takes longer, if not impossible to master except only a few who are known to have great one handed backhands.
     
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    Why do you make these threads and not listen?


    Do you know anything about tennis? How many matches have you played? It has taken me years and I still have trouble playing matches because of emotions. You can have 5.0 strokes during practice, but if you can't perform, you will never make it.

    Getting to a high level means performing at a high level, not during practice. You won't make it. How many times does someone have to say that?
     
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    Honestly, I don't get this obsession with kids in their teens and turning pro. If you browse yahoo answers you'll see multiple young teenagers asking this very same question, something along the lines of "I'm X age, I've only been playing tennis for one year, can I go pro?"

    You will not go pro. I'm sorry, but you just need to realize the hard truth. You may think you're spending long hours and putting in hard work, but trust me, there are people out there who are working harder than you are and have been playing the game longer than you have.

    Why do you want to go pro anyways? It's a lonely life. If you are not ranked in the top 100, you'll be travelling around the world to obscure tournaments, with little time to spend with friends and family. You'll barely make enough money to make ends meet. When you retire at age 30 something, you'll have to find another career.

    If anything... shoot for college. That gives you a much more realistic time frame and I actually personally know people who played college tennis or could have played college tennis.
     
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    I did it in 6-weeks.
     
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    Good true stuff....
    Just dash those dreams!
    Reality says you gotta work all your life, put off any fun or dreams until AFTER you put in the 30 years, THEN you're free to persue your dreams.
    You need that house on the hill, the black Beemer and White 'cedes, couple wives, several kids, dog and cat, have'em a while, then you're allowed your own path in life.
    You need to follow everyone directly ahead of you. Catch them, make more, be bigger and better.
    That is your priority in life.
     
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    Nobody has been saying this. It's not that the OP wants to become pro, it's all the circumstances about his wish. He is already 14, but only 3.5. He has very little match experience. He originally didn't want to even consider playing in college because he thought it was boring and there is no money to be made in college tennis. He has never seen a 6.0 level player and doesn't even have a good idea of what one looks like. He wants to be a top 25-100 player, but doesn't understand how difficult life is at below this rank, grinding it out on the circuit trying to make the main draws. He has never played a tournament.

    To me, it seems like he's just in it for the glamour and the money. IF you are not willing to play college tennis or grind it out for VERY LITTLE money (making a couple hundred bucks in a tourney), YOU WILL NOT MAKE IT. PERIOD.
     
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    kk Im 13, Ive lived tennis for the past year(1 lesson per week and hitting with freind for about 5hrs + a day in the summer) and im a strong 4.0(i do know what im talking about) and have no dreams of going pro. Mabey if you have the money to go to an academy(I wish) but otherwise getting to 5.0 in 2 years is a great accomplishment.
     
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