Is it proper to hit your FH's and BH's using the same side (face) of your racquet?

Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by BreakPoint, Jul 10, 2007.

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Is it proper to hit your FH's and BH's using the same side (face) of your racquet?

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  1. OrangeOne

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    Are you really not following? Go grab a racquet. Hold it with a Western FH grip. Take an air-swing. Follow-thru onto your BH side. Catch with your other hand. SLIGHTLY change your grip to a topspin-BH grip of your choice, hit with the same side of the racquet. For me, it's maybe a 10 degree change, without doubt the most efficient change possible.

    So before you LOL & emoticon yourself into a vacuum about it taking forever, maybe understand what's going on. There's no stressful angles, no spinning racquets 180 degrees, none of that. Fast, efficient. The only time I wouldn't do such a change is if i were changing to a conti grip to volley or similar...

    So everything must be taught by a teaching pro, based on current thinking? Great to see you're open to learning and innovation.

    I'm with JR, if I see a student with good stroke mechanics, who is changing grip efficiently and effectively, I couldn't give a toss which side of the racquet they hit the ball with.

    You keep worrying about how you look when playing, I'll keep playing to win.

    Are you so blinded by your own reflection that you can't see that the below in red - your quote that I was replying to - is speculation?

    Nope. You got me there, players who have been dominant number 1's, dominant clay players, etc etc - some of the better players in the last 20 years - haven't won Wimbledon because their style didn't look pretty. Who cares. You'd probably give your left *pick a bodypart* to have had 10% of the tennis career of either of those three players.

    Your ability to generalise is something to be admired. Your ability to form wonderful arguments based on generalisation and speculation is deplorable. You're saying - of the X-thousand coaches in the USPTA, no-one would teach this grip change? You're dreaming again. There are people in the USPTA who are no doubt criminals, pedophiles, transgendered, hell, probably some scrunchers who never fold. Some pretty small subsets of the population there, and yet you can't imagine some saying to a student: try changing it this way, it works quite well?
     
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  2. BreakPoint

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    I just watched some clips of Muster and it appears he DOES NOT do this but uses both sides of his racquet.

    You can find his clips on Youtube.
     
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  3. OrangeOne

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    Our wrists don't 'rotate' 180 degrees in the direction being discussed here. You're making it sound all contortionist, when in reality it's the arm performing the movement and taking the wrist along mostly for the ride. The process of changing wrist alignment happens naturally as the arm moves throughout the transition of the racquet across the body and through the backswing.

    Better is subjective. Sampras and Federer are physiological and tennis freaks in the best possible way, and they may well have succeeded with any style. It's also of note that, to date, neither have been able to truly succeed on clay. Agassi, well there's a player with a much less 'conventional' game, and he was able to GS on all surfaces.

    I'm open to many things, and I'm always interested to see new and innovative ways of doing things, of solving problems, of increasing efficiency or effectiveness. I'm telling you, as an experienced player, that this works for me. It may not work for Federer. I couldn't care less....
     
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  4. lolsmash

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    Doesn't Henin use a Semi-Western FH grip and an extreme eastern backhand grip? Doesn't that mean she sometimes hits the ball on the same side of the racket? She doesn't need to change the grip if she decideds to drive a forehand and then drive a backhand, so why should she switch grips instead of rotating her hand?

    There is nothing wrong with hitting on the same side of your racket. Hold a racket with a semi-western grip. Hit a forehand with a windshield wiper finish.Now, turn your shoulder and close your stance like you are hitting a one hander. OMGWTFBBQ you might actually have to hit the ball on the same side of your racket.
     
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  5. OrangeOne

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    Alert: The 'Sampras Smash' is not 'proper' and should not be taught

    Based on BreakPoint's lovely (and very backwards) thinking, coaches, please, stop teaching the 'Sampras (Jumping) Smash' immediately - save your students, your reputation AND your USPTA membership!

    Most of the time he jumped quite high - instead of staying stable on the ground. Sometimes he was even known to launch and jump backwards, he rarely took a full swing and often caught the ball very late with phenomenal wrist snap. Way too often he smashed a ball so high that all coaches in the USPTA would shake their heads in horror, and collectively say "if only he'd ran back instead, let the ball bounce and hit a safe shot in reply". Some were even heard to say "he simply should have let that lob go for a winner, it's the proper thing to do. After all, that's what BreakPoint would do!".

    We all know it was new, innovative, and hardly anyone did it before Sampras - and thus it is bad, it should be outlawed, blacklisted at once.

    Don't coach it, don't do it. It isn't 'proper'. It certainly therefore can't be BreakPoint approved (and coaches, beware, you may lose your USPTA accreditation for teaching this shot). Anyways, why would you want to teach it - it's for sure that, because it's a new & innovative shot, that no-one could ever win Wimbledon even once by using it!
     
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  6. OrangeOne

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    You're about the 3rd or 4th person now to try and make this point to BreakPoint, and none of us have succeeded! I hope your attempt does, it seems he gets all tied up in knots trying to learn something easy & new, while we're all out at the courts using it comfortable. I'm sure players like Henin, Muster, etc etc have used this often enough (and especially when caught short or under pressure).
     
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  7. J011yroger

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    Have you ever tried it? Ever hit a semi/western FH? Ever hit a two hander? Ever tried EE backhand? Ever used a granny stick? Ever just mashed from the back court? Ever played 5 sets on clay? Ever played tour level players? Ever served pinpoint/platform?

    If you have, then that is what I call open to learning.

    If you have not, and just say things are improper without trying them, then THAT is what I call not being open to learning.

    You want to be like Federer, we get it. There are other ways to play the game. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. The thing we are talking about isn't like serving with a western forehand grip. These are both legitimate strokes.

    Tell me WHY technically hitting an EE backhand, OR a SW forehand is wrong.

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  8. BreakPoint

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    As far as I can tell, Henin does NOT do this but uses both sides of her racquet. The last time I watched her play I was specifically looking for this and it appears to me that she is using both sides of her racquet as the top edge of her racquet remains on top from forehand to backhand.
     
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  9. BreakPoint

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    Nope, they haven't as far as I can tell.
     
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  10. BreakPoint

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    Even Nadal uses both sides of his racquet. He also hits a 2HBH which is different anyway.
    That spin is mostly the result of the bigger, lighter, more powerful racquets and the polyester strings. Not the result of using the same side of your racquet.
     
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  11. OrangeOne

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    Wrong and wrong.... twice in the one sentence!

    Many coaches do teach the jumping smash, and you don't need the talent of Sampras to pull it off.

    Seems you are fading into almost-irrelevance BP, might be time to either choose to fade quietly or update and keep talking maybe?
     
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  12. BreakPoint

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    Yes, I have done all of the above except the 5 sets on clay, only 3 sets. :-(

    (I sometimes use a SW forehand when I want to hit an extreme topspin passing shot that dips quickly away from the net man, and I tried the 2HBH for a while as a kid.)

    And if you want to learn, how about hitting some topspin 1HBH's?
     
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  13. OrangeOne

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    How long did you sit there going "damn, how can I twist my reply to save myself, how can I, how can I.... I know, I'll throw the word every in there. He won't notice that he didn't use that word, but I'll still be able to twist and weasel my way out here".

    Here's what you did, you went from saying:

    to saying:

    You see what you did there? It was quite subtle, but i thought i'd point it out for you and others to see. My point was that coaches teach it, not all coaches (I said many), not all of the time (I didn't reference that they taught players to use it exclusively or not in any way - to teach it's use exclusively would be ill-advised).

    Anyways - you've admitted (in blue, above) that some other pros do it, and some other people do it too - so presumably even you are aware, in your closed-minded little world, that there are indeed other coaches out there teaching this shot too. Certainly this shot was referenced when I did my coaching course a decade ago, I assume more people have caught on around the world than just those in the body I did my certification through!

    Stop twisting your way into 'winning' positions BP, it's not a pretty thing to do.
     
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  14. moist

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    This thread has gone off on an orthodox vs unorthodox sidetrack, but I don't feel anyone has adequately explained why this is in any way unorthodox. If I hit with a SW forehand, and rotate one bevel over to hit my Eastern 1hbh, this results in hitting with the same side for each. As long as I'm in the proper grip during the takeback, this does nothing to change any stroke mechanics. If I rotate it the other way, I end up in the exact same grip, and perform the exact same stroke. The only somewhat valid criticism I've heard, albeit extremely minor, is uneven string wear. This is like the logic twilight zone.
     
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  15. J011yroger

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    I learned to hit 1 handed topspin backhand when I started teaching/coaching so that I could run hitting sessions with my left hand full of balls.

    I am open to everything as long as someone gives me a logical reason why it would be benificial to my game.

    I learn new stuff every day. That is one of the reasons I am on this board.

    J
     
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  16. OrangeOne

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    Yup, I knew that Sampras hit ALMOST all of his smashes that way. Didn't say anywhere that I didn't.

    So wait, was it ALL, or ALMOST ALL? Make up your mind as you twist away buddy. You've now admitted that even Sampras didn't hit all smashes by jumping, and only a few posts ago you asked me to prove find coaches that coach this shot for all overheads / smashes. Keep on twisting, I'm not buying it.

    Because they are unlikely to easily be found. I told you that it was referenced in my coaching course as a new shot. We've all seen other players hitting it. It's out there, you just can't see the game evolving at all, and you can't bear to think that your classical player actually

    a. did something not proper, or
    b. thus innovated and brought something new into the game.

    If a pro is doing it, odds are a coach is addressing it, teaching it, coaching it, modifying it etc....

    Terrible argument, desperately clutching at anything to make a point.
     
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  17. lolsmash

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    I was referring to how you used classic=better. The spin and pace is also a product of the new techniques. Does a pro from the 80s hit their forehand the same way a pro from now does?

    Also, I was saying Nadal was a product of the modern game because look at his swing path. No one from the 80s swung that way.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChY3gZXliV0&mode=related&search=

    at 1:43, Henin hits a backhand, and then a forehand on the same side of the racket. Thread over.
     
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  18. JavierLW

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    Read my post again.

    So are you saying I should try to serve 100mph or more everytime?

    You dont make any sense, on one hand you are trying to prove your point by saying that we should do something "becasue the best players do it", but in another post you claim that teaching pros wont teach the jumping overhead because it's too hard and only the pros do it.

    Dont you want to play better and be like the pros?

    (btw, I can hit a jumping overhead and Im only a 3.5 player)
     
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    I haven't been following this topic very closely (maybe I'll read through it later after work), but I'm not sure what the fuss is all about. I will add in my two cents, however.

    I find nothing wrong with hitting with the SAME side of the racquet face. Personally, I use both sides of the racquet as I utilize an extreme eastern FH, an eastern BH, and my neutral grip is continental between switches, but I've experimented with using a western FH (same as eastern BH) grip before and it certainly takes away a lot of thinking. I know several juniors like this at my club and they seem to hit fine. The only reason why I don't stick with it is because I'm not as comfortable with it and I can't produce a high enough variety of shots with this style.
     
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  20. JavierLW

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    I think you are too hung up on what is "proper". What level are you anyway?

    I retrieve my lobs by hitting the ball over my shoulder while Im still running away from the net, Im sure you dont think that is proper, but it works for me.
     
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  21. habib

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    This is getting retarded. Why must it be improper to hit like this? I thought I spelled all the associations out quite clearly and logically in my post, yet I've seen no reply. Have you no legitimate reason for not using such a 'style' but that it's not generally taught, which doesn't really qualify as a legitimate reason?
     
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  22. moist

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    It's easier to just ignore a well reasoned post than refute it.

    Here's what I said before, and also have not seen a response, just a bunch of nonsense posts about jumping overheads, bent arms, windshield wiper strokes, and the like.

    If I hit with a SW forehand, and rotate one bevel over to hit my Eastern 1hbh, this results in hitting with the same side for each. As long as I'm in the proper grip during the takeback, this does nothing to change any stroke mechanics. If I rotate it the other way, I end up in the exact same grip, and perform the exact same stroke.

    Apparently even in this case hitting with one side is wrong. So again, what's improper? Is it only hitting on the same side that some feel is wrong, or is it the case where one doesn't change grips to do so?
     
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  23. jamumafa

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    Yeah this is the same for me. In fact, If i was to turn it so I played properly and didnt hinder my tennis devlopment so I could play pretty tennis, Id have to turn the racket nearly 100 degrees to hit with the other face. Ah the price of beauty.
     
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  24. habib

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    Or even better, why either? An argument for increased risk of injury would make sense, if such an argument could be made - which I don't think it could.
     
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    There's no chance of increased injury since the stroke dynamics are going to be exactly the same either way. You are basically starting with the same grip whether or not you are actually changing grips or flipping the racquet 180 degrees with the wrist flip to "change" grips.

    In fact, you might argue that changing grips is more dangerous because it increases the chances of you losing the handle on the racquet and dropping it on your big toe. That could hurt ... LOL!!!
     
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  26. yourmom08

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    guy on my team hits semi western forehand then rolls to nearly full western for his two handed backhand, it amazes me but he slices it in 95% of the time, it's a big weapon for him. Played a guy once that hit slice backehands by using a full western forehand grip and just chopping at a 40 degree angle, the ball would drop just over the net and sit, it was frustrating. who says theres a right and wrong way for stuff?
     
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    this "style" i will call it, is not either improper or proper, in my view this style is a waste of time, and in the end, this probably doesn't really happen, but if you hit same face every time it might push the racquet back depending on how fast you play and how much power. i also wouldn't take the time to turn the racquet in my hand because what if you accidentally drop it or if you don't twist it fast enough and you mishit badly. but otherwise, if you do this, keep doing it, it will make people wonder wtf you are doing lol.
     
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  28. lolsmash

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    Well what if your forehand grp and backhand grip are the same, except flipped over. For example, western fh and eastern backhand grip. What if when you decide to drive your forehand and backhand, you decide not to switch grips. What different would it make? I mean, I use SW forehand grip and extreme eastern backhand, which are typically the same, but I do switch to continental for slicing and volleys and whatnot. What is wrong with it?
     
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  29. habib

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    Yes I'm sure the pros are so good because they use different sides of the racquet face, and not because the vast majority of pros don't have compatible FH/BH grips. Stop trolling, please.
     
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  30. OrangeOne

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    In my coaching history, or my years of being coached, no-one has ever ever said that. I've never heard anyone mention it. In fact, the more I think, I've barely if at all ever heard anyone address the idea of hitting balls with one side of the racquet or the other!

    A grip change is what allows players to present the racquet face at the desired angle to the ball.

    Leopard's don't change their spots, BP will argue this point forever against all-comers, until everyone else runs out of energy or the thread turns into a train-wreck and gets deleted.
     
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  31. OrangeOne

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    The vast majority of pros use heavy racquets, so shouldn't we all do this too?

    The vast majority of pros hit attacking returns against 100mph+ serves - so should we all be out there taking swings at balls that fast?

    The vast majority of pros use racquet-head speeds that joe schmoe would shank 2 out of every 3 balls with - but we should do that, right?

    The vast majority of pros aim very close to the lines all the time, so I should be telling my 2.5 & 3.0 students to do this too, right?

    Just because a pro does or doesn't do something does not make it good or useful advice for a non-pro, and you know this....

    How on earth can you prove that 'only the worst players do this?'. Seriously? You can't. In fact, you're the one always asking for video proof. Please show me some video proof that only the worst players do this?

    Yet another random point that cannot be proved on which you base another point on. You should copyright this method of discussion....
     
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    Look back at this thread, it seems to have attracted pretty much everyone with over 1,000 posts. The whole Hall is here lol. I will let you get back to arguing now;)
     
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    No we dont because that is a silly argument. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.


    If your point is that somehow there is something magical about it just because the pros are doing it you are wrong. Plenty of pros do things that are not textbook, and they all do something diffrent.

    They like to show pros in Tennis magazine just to make it interesting and just to impress the unimaginative like yourself, who sit there and go "ooooohh.....this pro is doing it this way......woooow.....".

    If they showed some 4.0 guy who is winning 80% of his matches and figures himself to be quite successful doing the same thing, it wouldnt quite have the same effect on you.

    No it doesnt have that effect because many of us just play tennis. I care more about my game then some guy on TV that I dont even know. I would like to improve and get to maybe 2 or 3 levels higher, but Im never going to be that guy on TV and any "good" teaching pro would know that drowning people with all these concepts of "what is proper" and what isnt is not a good way of helping someone improve. (Im sure you dont understand that so dont waste your time wrapping your head around it)

    If I can win a point doing it, Im going to serve underhand, whether the "pros" do it or not doesnt even factor into it because Im not some sort of child who has to emulate what the pros do.
     
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  34. Bungalo Bill

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    It is neither wrong nor right. It is a preference and is usually determined by your grips. It should not be judged based "what is proper". This is a preference area and is up to the player.
     
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  35. BreakPoint

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    These other things will come as you improve and get better. They are not fundamental things as grips changes and using both sides of your racquet are. If you don't even learn the proper fundamentals, you will never improve to the point where you will be able to do all of those things you've listed above.
     
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  36. OrangeOne

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    Thank god for the clear-stated opinion of a well-respected coach to backup what almost everyone in this thread already understands....

    Not that I expect this will carry any weight at all with BP....
     
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    BP were you on the debate team in high school?
     
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  38. OrangeOne

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    Right, let's ask for more proof. Show me somewhere, anywhere, where it is written in any coaching textbook, guide or otherwise, that changing grips against the way you say is in any way discouraged....

    (Did you see BB's post? Of course you did. Player preference doesn't exactly define something as being against the fundamentals, does it?)
     
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    And if the vast majority of pros wiped their asses back to front, should we all assume similar practices in order to improve our tennis game? Your associations are clearly off kilter.

     
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    This is definitely the post of the thread. Excellent answer, Bungalo; I wanted to post something similar but I couldn't have said it any better myself.
     
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    BP- lets use the sitaution of a western forehand and an Eastern backhand. You either have the choice of rotating your grip 180 degrees to use opposite sides of the racket face or not shifting any bevels to hit with the same side of the racket. THe hand and racket are going to end up in the same position either way. What advantages do you think there are to completely rotating your grip when switching from the forehand to the backhand? "roger federer does it" isn't an advantage. Your hand needs to go to that position either way- I just don't at all see why you think there would be an advantage.
     
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  42. BreakPoint

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    And I'm saying the exact same thing about grip changes and hitting with both sides of your racquet. It's much better mechanics as you don't rotate your wrist 180 degrees on every shot, thereby potentially causing wrist problems down the road from all that wrist twisting. It also reduces the variety of shots you can hit off of both sides. And it's also as ugly as sin and obviously not as effective as I've yet to see any really good players do it.

    As with the 1HBH, don't you agree that the reason most pros do something a certain way is because, in your words, "the best way to hit it"?
     
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  43. OrangeOne

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    Even you are capable of presenting a more valid argument than that. If all you can do is present points so extreme and small that they make your actual argument look silly, it's time to admit that you are wrong, and have been for some time in regards to this issue.

    That said, I'm not sure those words exist in your vocabulary...
     
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  44. Bungalo Bill

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    BP,

    In a way you can say that a grip change is necessary. However, which way you turn the racquet to get in the grip of choice is a players preference. Normally, players will change grips the traditional way (you would be stretching it a bit to continue to use the word "fundamental" as if a mandatory standard). Which way a person changes to a grip has been expanded. Changing grips the traditional way has evolved because yesterdays grips were mainly Eastern, Continental, etc..). Players would choose the shortest distance for changing grips.

    However, with the addition of the extreme grips it is difficult to change grips from a Western forehand to an Extreme backhand grip if a player is doing it the long way - covering a lot of real estate on the handle. Can it be done? Of course.

    However, there is a trend (and logically so) that is training to minimize the real estate one has to cover when changing a grip. If I use a Eastern backhand grip, what law or fundamental says that I can not simply flip the racquet over and hit a backhand?

    There is none. It is much like saying that it isn't proper to wear colored shirts on the tennis court. White tennis shirts and shorts are "fundamental" to the game of tennis. Yeah, right.
     
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  45. OrangeOne

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    For the xth time, there is no 180 degree wrist rotation. None.

    There is no 'wrist twisting'. None.

    You are making things up, or you are not capable of understanding what we're all trying to tell you.

    Which is it?
     
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  46. JavierLW

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    This one has been getting me for awhile.

    You have two issues, dont confuse them.

    1) You are using certain grips that are effectively the same grip on the forehand and the backhand side. Either of these grips may be used by someone, but somehow because they are both the same you choose to make this silly argument.

    2) Using those two grips you have a choice of either moving your hand around from one side of the racquet to another (switching grips), or just rotating your wrist around.

    You can claim all that about wrist pain that covers (2).

    But if you try to complain about a limited range of motion that means you are claiming that those types of grips by themselves are "not correct". But they are legitimate ways of hitting the ball so you are full of it.

    So are you really saying that the Western Grip is not a "correct" way of hitting the ball?
     
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  47. boojay

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    I think somebody needs some "nappy time".
     
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  48. BreakPoint

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    I understand what you're saying but why is it that all the best players in the world prefer to change grips and hit with both sides of their racquets? And, personally, I have never seen a really good player use only one side of their racquet. Isn't there some correlation?
     
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  49. OrangeOne

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    BP - Did you catch this? It's similar to what I said over 60 posts ago - the difference being BB is a well-respected coach, and I'm just some nobody from Australia.

    Will you listen now?

    Or are you able to show a law or fundamental that goes against this efficient process?

     
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  50. Bungalo Bill

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    BP,

    Nice try but this one is for the birds.

    First, changing grips should have your hand in a RELAXED position.

    Second, there is no stress on the wrist by simply changing the palm position from backhand to forehand and vice versa.
     

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