Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by BreakPoint, Jul 10, 2007.
Now of course someone could try to make a case that Borg and Agassi used continental grips on every fh groundie by showing photos like these for instance:
that link you posted was brilliant, do you have a link to that lendl excerpt?
...or even these...
...but that would be disingenuous and deliberately misleading. Wouldn't it?
I transcribed that quote from my copy of the book. I couldn't find an excerpt on the net, I'll either leave it to someone else with a copy to corroborate my transcription or challenge. I guess I'll scan and post it if necessary.
p.s. What did you think of the pics?
they definitely appear to be using similar grips.
So what is your point? Agassi looks like he uses an Eastern forehand grip to me, definitely not Western. Compare Borg's and Agassi's forehand grips to Roddick's, who uses a semi-western grip and not even a full western grip. Note the differences in the angle/orientation of the racquet faces.
Note the positions of the hand/palm/fingers/thumb on the handles.
There is a guy in town that hits like that, always on the same face for forehand and backhand. He's pretty good; has won the local tournament they used to have here in town several times.
Even more strange -- there was a girl I knew that was a tomboy, that didn't have a backhand at all. She had 2 forehands. If the ball was to the right of her, she would hit it a forehand with the racket in her right hand. If the ball was to the left of her, she would hit a forehand with the racket in her left hand. She could hit forehands equally well from either hand, and was pretty good overall.
A couple points though:
1. If you use a western forehand and an eastern backhand, then that is the same hand position on the grip. It makes no sense to "change grips" for a backhand in this case, just to arrive at the same grip that you started from. You are still going to transition from a palm-up position to a palm-down position when going from a FH to a BH, whether you "change grips" (which really isn't changing grips in this case) so that the other face of the racket hits the ball or not. Additionally, this isn't really 180 degrees of wrist rotation like the OP has claimed forty-eleven times. It is more like 90 degrees. The starting and finishing angles of the wrist rotation look more like this / \ than like this | |.
2. Even using a traditional eastern FH and BH you can just as easily always hit with the same face of the racket as you can hit with opposite faces of the racket. The eastern BH grip is two bevels away from the eastern FH grip in either direction. If you go the usual route, which is to rotate down past a continental grip (CW from your own perspective), then you end up hitting the backhand with the opposite face that you hit the forehand with. However, if you go in the opposite direction (CCW), that is, up past the SW grip, then you would end up hitting the BH with the same face as the forehand.
How do you define "proper"? Is Roddick's serve proper? There are plenty of ways to play the game that most people wouldn't teach, but that doesn't make them wrong for all players or mean that it can't be used well. I use the same grip for my forehands and one-handed backhands. I never did it intentionally, those are just the most natural grips for me to use and I lose control with anything else based on my strokes (and no, no one sees anything wrong with any of my strokes).
i think its somewhat proper since after u use a racquet for a while it begins to deform and bends slightly so using a racquet on one side (face) for both bh and fh is correct. Don't know if this makes sense, but the fact that a racquet deforms after a long period of time is true, but i guess using which side of a racquet would probly depend on which grip u use.
In Tennis for Everyone, by Sarah Palfrey (Winner of 54 National and International Titles), Cornerstone Library, 1966, this is how the author describes the Western fh grip as follows:
So the author acknowledges that in that era, while the grip was rare even in her time, the accepted or "proper" way if using a Western grip then was in fact to hit with the same side or face of the the racket.
Who's Sarah Palfrey?
I'm pretty sure Federer uses a semi western.
What is the grip called if the V of the thumb/forefinger is rotated more clockwise than on the large flat bevel?
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