Is it time to LOL at the Miami Heat?

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  1. soyizgood

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    I feel like Peter Schiff on this one. When Lebron James and Chris Bosh signed on, folks from ESPN down to bandwagoners seemed ready to hand the Heat the NBA title. The media were saying the Lakers were going to be dethroned, the Heat would storm their way to 75 wins, these guys are young and full of energy so they can easily handle 45 min/night, hail to the new "dream team", Lebron will be the king in Miami, etc.

    My first reaction to the deal was "who's going to fill out the roster?" The Heat basically got rid of half their team and filled it up with has-beens, scrubs, and bit players just to make space to pay three players 70% of the payroll. I told my Laker turned bandwagon friend before the season that the Heat were likely to start off slow because they don't have much for chemistry. On paper this team should have a versatile, inter-changable starting 5 because Bosh, James, and Wade can each play 2 positions. But the Heat are going to have problems inside since Bosh is NOT a defensive player, James is still not great at one-on-one defense, and their bench doesn't have much of anything to keep the team going when these guys are hurt/tired/in foul trouble.

    You have 3 guys in their prime that are used to having the ball all the time and having teams cater an offense around them... there's not enough basketballs for them. Bosh is off to a slow start which to me was no surprise. Wade is still banged up, James is complaining this isn't as fun as he thought it would be and complaining of playing too many minutes, the coach might lose his job so that Riley can "save the day", you have the Big 3 with nothing else while Haslem might be traded and Miller's out until January, the Heat are losing to good and not-so-good teams, and the "heat is on".

    I still think Boston is old, but they actually have a "team" of players that know their roles, guys that set aside their egos, and stand behind their coach. Ditto for Orlando. I think Miami would be in better shape in 2011-12, but this goes to show that it takes more than "superstars" (I use that term loosely as Bosh is not such a player and never will be) to win titles.

    James has been shown to lack a heart (see game 5 vs Boston last year) and Bosh is a glorified Zack Randolph and didn't make the playoffs his final two years in Toronto. I'll give Wade props, but even he should have thought this over before pushing to get both of his friends to come to his team.
     
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    Anyone that picked them to win the title this year was dumb from the get-go. They are not nearly deep enough to be a title contender, even once Miller and Haslem get back from injuries. They have no inside presence. Boston would probably sweep them in a playoff series, with Shaq showing flashes of his old self and once Perkins and Jermaine Oneal get healthy it's pretty much a wrap.

    I knew coming in that every team would give Miami it's best shot. That's why teams like Memphis and Indiana have beaten them, they don't fear the 'big 3'. Unless they go out and get another playmaker - possibly Gilbert, or Nash - and a certified post defender, they aren't coming anywhere close to a title, maybe for the next 2-3 years.
     
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    KARMA!!!!! Looks like they will struggle to get to 50 wins....
     
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    I agreed. After watching Shaq's last matches, one would argue Boston, as "old" as they are, are a serious contender for the title, with a truly balanced roster.

    San Antonio is playing incredibly solid, relying less on Duncan, and more on Parker and Ginobili.
     
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    I don't follow pro basketball, but I know that some commentators are mentioning the fact that the Heat don't have "solid bench players" to back up James, Wade, and this Chris Bosh fellow. Lebron's complaining about playing too many minutes? Give me a break!
     
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    Go Spurs go!!!!!!!!

    That's a good sign, especially as Duncan is getting old. Still my favorite player.
     
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    Yes, indeed, team chemistry, or lack of it, can make or break a team no matter how many superstars.

    Go Lakers!
     
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    YES!!!! Three-peat
     
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    Early in the season, the Heat are 9-7 and something like two games behind the division leader. Hardly a disaster. What's laughable? Well, what's laughable is the OP who thinks one might draw conclusions 16 games into the season.
     
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    It's still early in the season. I'm not ready to push the panic button on the Heat but the King James version of the Heat isn't living up to expectations. I think they should try to replace the coach. Who is this "Eric Spoeltra"? Is he qualified to coach this much talent?
     
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    They just need the coach to meet them halfway. He wants to work, they want to chill, just meet them halfway coach spo!
     
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    I liked the Spurs from The Admiral days and kept liking through through the Duncan years. Tim Duncan had basically with the worst teams won three titles.


    And with the Heat I think they are just going through some issues with finding out how all the pieces fit. Ive said since the begining that until LeBron embraces a Magic Johnson like role, and goes to ball distribution first it wont work. And because Wade hasnt been 100% healthy and a little off hes not doing that.

    Lets look at thois gain after the all star break where they have logged enough court time to figure everything out.
     
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    I'm not sure the Heat are even going to win their division. Even before the season began I knew Miami would have to contend with Boston, Orlando, and maybe Chicago for the conference.

    Miami has some serious issues. Unless they're blowing out opponents, they are weak at interior defense, they don't have an offensive scheme that gets the whole team involved (it's basically Wade or James doing isolation moves), Phil Jackson has already played mind games with Riley to where Riley can't really fire and take over this year, Eddie House is the only bench guy that can score and he has always been erratic, they can't really run for fastbreaks as Ilgauskas is as slow as a slug, and there just is not a good mix of players currently. Even if they right the ship, I don't see them getting past Orlando or Boston. But it's a long season ahead.
     
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    :lol: I still can't believe Bosh really said that.
     
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    Yes, you're right. I really hope that the Heat can win some more and that they can meet at least some of those very high pre-season expectations. The Lakers need another opponent to make the season interesting.

    Go Lakers!
     
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    Also every team is bringing the best against the Heat. They aren't going to have that many easy games simply based on this fact alone. Even last not a bottom team like the Sixers kept it close on them. The longer Bron and co. keep their vacation mentality, the more the Heat will struggle.
     
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    I'm pretty sure Miami has won one game against a team with a winning record, and that was a home win over Orlando, who just avenged that loss.

    Miami needs to get it together against good teams, or else they're in big trouble.
     
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  18. pepka

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    It's time to LOL @ what Bronze, RuPaul and D-Whistle were saying before the season started. 7 championship will be easy, we're sorry for anyone who has to guard us and stuff like that. Never seen Bulls, Celtics, Spurs or Lakers go that far and be that stupid. so yeah, bbbuuaaahahahahaaaaaaaaaa
     
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    They need a better system. The Triangle offense would be perfect. Have LeQuit run the point and be Pippen and D Wade is Jordan. It would be scary.

    The good news is that LeQuit will never play second fiddle because he is a tool and an egomaniac. So because of his severe personality flaws, massive ego and strong Dbag tendencies, the Heat currently have no real system besides LBJ and Dwade standing on the wings and looking for Isos.
     
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    I really thought Prince James would embrace that role as a facillitator and play a more active role in getting teammates shots. Thats why I thought they were going to be a tough team to beat. D wade at least knows if they need a bucket in crunch he can just dribble right to the rack and at the least get the foul call. LeBrick does just that with his last second jumpers. Bosh is 2nd banana and he knows it and would fall in line If Lebron played the magic role and crashed the boards.
     
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    i think its tough with the chemsitry, but if they keep sticking it out over time i think it would work. this season-hell no
     
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    Another great TEAM taking Miami to the woodshed tonight. Dallas is putting the hurt on them. Mark Cuban will be smiling all week off of this.
     
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    Miami has no offense. It's either Bron or Wade dribbling the ball while the rest is watching. King can't make a jumper to save his life, won't post up... so he decides to go into buldoze mode. Run thru anybody and get some ft's. Miami is +86 on ft's and Princess has often more ft's than the whole opposing team.
     
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    Laying the smackdown, putting out the Heat. Whatta back-to-back, Heat and Spurs.
     
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    Thursday on TNT, gets gory at the Gund, down goes Lebron. The Chuckster eats this up.
     
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    They just threw this poor guy under the bus. It's better to chill than to work i guess.
    Huge
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    ha ha ha! very clever! My respect for Mr. James is slowly going downhill.
     
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    Lebron an egomaniac? How is that possible? Just because he has "Chosen One" tattooed on his back doesn't mean you can be so quick to make such conclusions. [/sarcasm] Coach killer (he's bumped into his last two coaches), diva, quitter during the playoffs, a follower getting paid leader $$$ (he's earning more than Wade), big baby... YES! But, he's the KING.... (of whining).
     
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    Tim Duncan has been wanting to play point guard for a long time. Last night he got his wish to facilitate the offense and got his first triple-double in two years. He, unlike James, understands the need to be flexible in getting the team moving forward.

    Little surprise he has 4 NBA titles, a hoard of All-NBA awards and an MVP.

     
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    Cleveland should be embarrassed by the effort shown by the Cavs tonight.
     
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    Not a whole lot you can do when Wade and Lebron played like they did tonight
     
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    Yeah but the Cavs players were basically kissing LeBron's arse all night and treating him like the homecoming queen instead of the homecoming villain. I know there's professionalism, I'm not saying they should've punched him or anything. But don't go out there acting like Bron is your BFF after he just sh.t on your team and your city this offseason.
     
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    I think most of the players right now will not blame LeBron for going to Cleveland. Its the Jordans and Magics and Barkleys of the world who had beef.

    The players now knwo its a business and LeBron wanted to be somewhere to enjoy himself. Maybe he didnt want the pressure of being the whole team anymore. I dont know his exact feelings but most of the players seem to understand and not take it personal.
     
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    At least Lebron didn't mention his talents after the game....It was his "greatness in Miami". He cracks me up. How can you not like this guy? :)
     
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    QFT. They played basketball for 10 mins. Their fans should be seriously pissed, but oh well... what should they expect when their main guy (Mo), was thinking about ending his "career" after Bronze left, LMFAO. Even 10 years ago there would be some serious butt whoopin for friendly chats in front of your bench and GM. One thing about Prince himself... the guy is clueless, he showed this once again in his post game interview :D
     
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    Well the Heat have been rolling. 9 straight now since the Cleveland Massacre. Though they've only beaten 2 decent teams (Jazz and Hornets) during the streak.

    Coach Spo is rewarding the spoiled kiddies - if Wade gets a rebound he gets to do what he wants on offense, if Bron gets a defensive stop he gets to do what he wants on offense. Bosh gets a rebound he gets a gold star. Go figure. :)
     
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    december 25th can't come soon enough. (long time lakers fan) i really really hope the lakers can show lebron and company how a championship team really plays. though admittedly, the lakers haven't been playing to their potential lately. i like their bench this year though. shannon brown!
     
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    They're better lately but like fan#1 mentioned they played crapy teams mostly. I think they're MORE than one player away from beating teams like Lakers, Spurs or Celtics in a 7 game series.
     
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    Lebron running his mouth again. He's in favor of eliminating teams.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/news/story?id=5952952

     
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    King is so awesome. I love the whole 2011 Tour idea... LMFAO
     
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    And the rich get free birthday parties. :-|
     
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    the Heat are now 22-9....is it still time to LOL at them?
     
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    Just LOL at the King. Let them eat cake mentality.
     
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    In their 12 win streak, they only beat 3 decent teams. And one of those three is sucking big time (*cough*Hornets*cough*). The Mavs beat them before their streak began and ended it as well. I can't LOL at them (for now), but I'm still not convinced these guys will be hoisting any trophies. Their main three have mouths and diva behaviors >= their game and when they face real teams they have just folded.
     
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    I'll cheer for whoever can beat the Lakers.
     
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    Definitely a good win for the Heat. The Lakers are just coasting along, though it's a shame the beating was in LA. The game meant more to the Heat than the Lakers (Lakers ought to be tired of playing on Christmas EVERY year). Too bad the Lakers are the NBA's cash and ratings cow. This is pretty much Phil's last year so I wonder if he still has his mind tricks up his sleeve. Still the Western Conference > Eastern Conference. If they don't get their sense of urgency together, I could see the Spurs or Mavs taking the Lakers down. The Heat probably fear the Mavs more than the Lakers.
     
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    lmao... not if you look at their record 1 month later..
     
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    So first you say they havent played anybody. And when they beat the supposed best team in the NBA its because they are coasting.

    Just admit that the Heat are getting used to being on the court together and they are playing better D. You dont have to pencil them in as the champs but they have pretty much rendered this thread title obsolete.

    After the 06 finals I doubt Dwade is scared of the Mavs. The Lakers are still the worst matchup for them.
     
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