Is Murray an all-court player?

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Is Murray an all-court player?

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  1. billnepill

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    I saw the other thread about Federer, if he was an all-court player... That made me remember something that seemed odd to me. In a PC game Murray was labelled as "all-court player".

    So the question is - do you consider Murray an all-court specialist?
     
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  2. All-rounder

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    This thread is just going to start another war
     
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    I don't think so.

    His serve isn't the best, and his volleys are good but not great.

    He grinds it out from the baseline.
     
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    OP could you please define 'all courter'
     
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    No he is not.
     
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    He isn't, but he could be.
     
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    He has the skill-set to be an all-court player but he chooses to only play the baseline, so no.
     
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    If all courter = pusher. Then yes. Otherwise... No
     
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    Karlovic has the best serve ever and has great volleys - does this make him an all-courter?
     
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    I'm not sure anymore. Reading the definition of Wikipedia, I definitely think that Federer is an all-courter ( despite all the comments in the other thread). Not so sure about Murray . Here's what Wikipedia says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_strategy
     
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    Yes he's an all court player, He can grind, he can volley, he can rip the ball, he can hit the off pace ball, he can serve and volley, he can bring his opponents in and he can approach. Sounds like an all court player to me...
     
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    No. Doesn't come to the net often enough, never serves and volleys.
     
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    Very true. Infact during his early days, particularly at the Aus Open against Nadal he was serve and volleying to great effect. He seems to rely more on his counterpunching ability these days.
     
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    Not at the moment, no. He has the ability to, though.
     
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    I agree, the potential is certainly there. The match with Nadal at the Australian Open springs to mind, he just chooses not to use it all that much.
     
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    My personal definition of an all-court player is one that could win playing any style of game. All pro's have the ability to be effective in all facets of the game when push comes to shove but could they win playing a game outside their comfort level. An example would be Nadal doing nothing but serve and volleying for a match.

    I would not include my list of players that I would consider all court players. My list would include:

    John McEnroe
    Rod Laver
    Ken Rosewall
    Roger Federer
    Pete Samparas
    Hana Mandilkova
    Evonne Goolagong
    Justine Henin

    These are just a few off the top of my head, all of whom I have seen win matches from the baseline or serving and charging the net.

    Murray is much more of a thoughtful tactical player that could be the world's best pusher (counter puncher).
     
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    I think Murray is definitely capable of all-court play, but the guy doesn't do it. So, no he's not an all court player.
     
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    I'd consider those three serve and volleyer's, not all court players...
     
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    Ofcourse he is, no questions about that. Is a poll really necessary for this?
     
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    I can see your point but I have watched McEnroe and Sampras in their primes win from the baseline. Though McEnroe obviously wanted to be at the net he was more than capable of winning from the baseline at his best. I may be wrong but Sampras evolved from being a baseliner with a 2-handed backhand.

    Laver I didn't get to see a lot of... but at 5'-7 ish he was not your proto typical serve and volleyer... and of the matches I did see him play he definitely was not afraid to take advantage of a weak shot and go to the net, but I always thought he was more than comfortable playing from the baseline. I still have memories of seeing a topspin backhand pass down the line... and it has been over 30 years.

    He was an amazing talent... I have always contended that there are amazing athletes playing sports, then occasionally someone happens onto what they were meant to do... ie. a Rod Laver or a Roger Federer.
     
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    Of course he is not. He is a pure pusher. Useless thread.
     
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    No. He is a mug on clay.
     
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    All surface player- Hell no

    All court player? Baseline Pusher... ANother no.


    In short.. No he isnt
     
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    IF Murray was a pusher, that means he has no skill. Yeah, must have no skill beating Federer 4 times on the trot and Nadal when he was at his best. Murray has no skill!
     
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    Who said Murray has no skill? He has amazing skill but that doesn't matter. His playing style is pushing and that why he is called a pusher.

    And a pusher can play effectively sometime.
     
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    Slam wise we saw what Fed did to Murray and before the USO. Murray has some skill, hes pretty solid but his talent his very overblown sometimes.
     
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    Pusher's have no skill, they try and provoke an UE. Murray doesn't do that, He play passive tennis and turns defense into attack. Here is an example of this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOB6MJvjH9U
     
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    H2H wise you can see that Murray leads 6-3. One match isn't very decisive.
     
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    But all the matches Murray has won vs Fed have been non slam matches. You really think Murray has what it takes to take Fed a few times at the slams where Fed is a completely different player than he is in non slam event where he usually just shows up and phones it in most of the times these days
     
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    You have problems with basic definition. Skill doesn't matter here. Pushing is a playing style. He pushes everything back and waits until his opponents make UEs. He has skills and sometime can play aggressively if he wants but he chooses the other way. And that makes him a pusher.
     
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    This "Federer is a completely different player at the slams" is very misleading. Are you implying that Federer doesn't try when he plays Murray? Are you saying that he wants a losing record to increase? That's what i'm getting from your post. You relly think one match cuts it? Cause i don't.
     
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    Err...reading comprehension much? I described to you what a pusher is and you have just repeated what i have said. Yet you claim i have basic problems with the definition? Massive contradiction there.
     
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    10 years later nobody can remember anything about their non-slam matches. They only remember big matches, like 2008 US Open final. Who cares about MM events? I'm sure Sir Roger Federer doesn't.
     
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    I dont think Fed at non slams events these days is the same Fed that we see at slams of course. Hes dominated for the most part every aspect in tennis so its under the "been there done that" attitude. Fed is at the point in his career where he is going to put all of his effort first and foremost at the slams as opposed to non slam events. When a slam final was on the line at the USO last year, we saw what Fed did to Murray didnt we? He blitzed and never let off the gas paddle. If Murray had some big wins, Im talking slam wins over Fed than thats another story.

    But at this point, Murray cant even reach a slam final to reach Fed, so thats another story in itself.
     
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    Exactly.. The most noteable match we will remember from Fed-Murray is Feds domination over Murray in his first slam final. Murray still needs to prove not only can he reach another slam final but also prove he can get slam wins over Roger to prove people wrong.

    So far Murray has just been that "solid 3 set tournament" type of player. But when he is going to to turn it on at the slams and grab one at least? It has happened yet
     
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  37. NGM

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    What?
    I give up. Whatever you want. Murray is a pusher no more no less.
     
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    Again, what you are saying makes no sense. "been there done that" is an awful excuse. You are just implying that he doesn't care whether he loses to Murray on a regular basis. Honestly, no top pro acts like that. They want to win all the time. Desire to win is what has made champions who they are. You've lost me on all levels.

    Murray has only played Fed once in a slam, and therefore using that one match to back up your case is far from plausible. All these hypothesis mean nothing, what is a fact however is that Murray leads there H2H 6-3.
     
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    Its not to say Fed doesnt care if he loses to Murray or another player at a non slam event.. But yourself in Fed's shoes. After you have won the career slams, got the slam record, returned to number 1 in the world, have won just about every tournament in tennis.. What would youre main priority be? Where would your main focus? Probably trying to achieve something you havent achieved yet. Like a Davis Cup perhaps or just loading up on the slam count and trying to put that out of reach. Fed 08-09 is not the same Fed as Fed 04-06. THats why you have seen the results you have. Fed didnt win a tournament up until almost the damn near middle of the year.. Yet he was still reaching slam final after slam final all year. I think this kind of shows where Fed is at in his career. Not trying to make excuses. But its just how things are
     
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    Seems you are the only one here stating that a pusher has no skill, I have always contended that pushers have no FRIENDS... they do have a houseful of trophies.

    Pushers are the most dangerous players out there... when these types of players compete at an equal level of skill against an aggressive player, the aggressive player had better play well, otherwise the pusher will just grind the aggressive player into the court.

    If there has been one player that I never wanted to see on the other side of the net... it was a topspinning left-handed pusher, someone that forced me to play a higher risk game than I was comfortable with. It is hard to out push a pusher... and playing into their game is exactly what a pusher wants.

    I agree with most of those here... Andy Murray is a world class pusher... making him as dangerous a player as you can find on the tour.
     
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