Is Nadal the clay court goat

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Is Nadal the clay court goat

  1. Yes

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    81.0%
  2. No

    14 vote(s)
    12.1%
  3. Tied with someone else

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    3.4%
  4. Undecided

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  1. The Dark Knight

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    What do you think?
     
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  2. gregor.b

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    I ASSume this is a rhetorical question!!??
     
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  3. Nathaniel_Near

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    It's quite possible. Ugh, another non public poll, truly lame.
     
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  4. The Dark Knight

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    Sadly .....No it's not .

    There is thread after thread here arguing that Nadal is not the clay court goat.
     
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  5. The Dark Knight

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    I thought I would post this poll to put the issue to bed once and for all at TW.
     
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  6. The Dark Knight

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    I think people feel more free to vote privately rather than being scorned .
     
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  7. gregor.b

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    I personally believe that the ONLY person who may have an impacting vote MUST BE BJORN BORG. An opinion only but, still, an opinion.

    Oh, and he would probably know better than most on this form.

    Again, just my opinion, but, please, let common sense prevail.

    P.S Don't ask me what common sense is.
     
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  8. KingDjokovic

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    How can you be clay GOAT if you played in such a weak clay era. How else can you explain such domination?
     
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  9. NatF

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    He is the clay GOAT no doubt with his domination and record, although Borg is closer than some think.
     
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  10. RafaIsBack

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    Yes, what Nadal did since 2005 on this surface is unbelievable.
     
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  11. W.P. Mayhew

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    If you feel like anonymous TW polls put subjects to rest, you probably haven't seen this one, otherwise you'd feel pretty funny creating another thread about that subject.
     
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  12. kalyan4fedever

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    weak clay era....
     
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  13. ScentOfDefeat

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    Weak Clay Aiken, strong Cassius Clay
     
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  14. tennis_pro

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    So you decided to make a counterthread claiming that he is indeed the clay goat?

    Very intelligent.

    In the future instead of replying in threads, we should flood the forum with new threads.
     
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  15. tennixpl

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    not particularly fond of Nadal but yes,
    there are some old school guys who probably come closer than we realize if we could magically combine era comparisons without a million asterisks.
    i can personally think of a few that would be great to watch but i would still be on Nadal. currently Fed is next best on clay and he dominates him.

    people approach that it is a weak clay era bc he dominates so it makes it not count, but if he didn't dominate you would use that as an excuse to say no too. that is circular logic fallacy
     
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  16. Gandalf

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    Dumb question.
     
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  17. rafafan20

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    by a country mile
     
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  18. Nathaniel_Near

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    I enjoy public revelations, what can I say.
     
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  19. Raz11

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    lol The result is obvious. Don't know why you bothered to make this thread. Most people is going to go for yes, doesn't mean it is a fact.

    From the other thread:
    Could you say one RG is worth the same as one RG back when Borg dominated it. Could you say Nadal would beat Borg on clay for sure? Could you compare the domination and accomplishment of both Borg and Nadal?
     
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  20. Tennis Fanatic 070

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    Yes this is a weak clay era and yes Nadal is the clay GOAT. I don't think a weak clay era means that Nadal isn't the clay GOAT. If you consider the way he dominated on clay. His top spin forehand and stamina is killing on clay. He would have dominated in a strong clay era as well, don't think he would have won RG 8 times though.
     
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  21. The Dark Knight

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    Not really.....because although the poll results vote for Nadal.....just take a look at your
    comments and others.

    And the vote by the way is not quite as clear as it would seem. So far it's. 18-5.
     
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  22. The Dark Knight

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    Borg has already said Nadal is clay goat .
     
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  23. The Dark Knight

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    So then you voted no?
     
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  24. The Dark Knight

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    So you voted no ?
     
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  25. The Dark Knight

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    So I guess you voted no as well?

    Weird how there are only 2 no votes huh ?
     
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  26. Antonio Puente

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    Max Decugis, b1thches! Bring back sand.
     
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  27. Raz11

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    When did I ever say that Borg was CGOAT? I only said that CGOAT doesn't exist. I didn't vote for no. I understand that you don't like the idea that some don't regard Nadal as the definitive CGOAT, doesn't mean you need to start this thread.
     
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  28. The Dark Knight

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    Ahhhh.... So you think Max is better? Why else would you bring him up?
     
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  29. The Dark Knight

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    Well if clay court goat doesn't exist then logically Nadal cannot be the clay goat.

    What do you think about Federer ? Is he the goat? Does he exist it does the rule only apply to clay?
     
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  30. Antonio Puente

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    Hell yes I do. He dumped chumps on sand and clay. What has Nadal done on sand?
     
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  31. zagor

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    Hard to say as Nadal ruled an extremely weak CC era, afterall Nadal's main competition on clay is a mentally weak loser who fluked his way to one single FO title (basically the equivalent of Thomas Johansson on HC) and the guy who has only one FO final under his belt.

    Along with a few clowns/nobodies like Soderling and Puerta of course.
     
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  32. Raz11

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    Does it bother you that Nadal isn't the CGOAT to some?

    I don't have to repeat myself. Look back into your previous thread and you will find the answer there.
     
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  33. zagor

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    And Borg has said Fed is GOAT in 2011, since that interview Nadal added 2 FOs but Fed won Wimbledon and got back to #1.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjbXHKImG2E

    I mean, if a former tennis great says something it's a fact according to you, yes?
     
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  34. The Dark Knight

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    Well lets follow that line of logic.

    So if he played in what you think is a stronger clay court era he wouldn't have won 8 FO's.

    So if Nadal had less than 7 FO's would you still consider him the clay court goat?
     
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  35. The Dark Knight

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    Well goat and clay court goat are two very different things .

    And a pro is one thing .....but ALL the pros is a completely different thing .

    Are you still maintaining that Nadal is not the clay court goat?
     
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  36. The Dark Knight

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    Bjorn Borg :

    "He's incredible – he's is the best player that there has ever been on clay! Watching him play on this surface and how he is evolving… At least he's injured some of the time, which gives the others a ray of hope! On clay though, he's still the man to beat – and that will always be the case for as long as he is playing. We saw that at Monte Carlo and that's not going to change at Roland Garros, where it's best-of-five sets out on Centre Court! He's only ever lost there once, remember… There's no-one better than him on this surface! People don't realise this – maybe the public has been spoilt to a certain extent. Rafa's quite simply an artist when it comes to clay!" Borg added.
     
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  37. VPhuc tennis fan

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    A resounding 'YES'. Rafa is the CGOAT! Hourahh!
    Now for something more serious: where's the glory to be CGOAT when all you have faced was a bunch of girlies? Fed? Fed...who? Djoker...You joking, right? Murray...wait, is he still wearing diapers? Tsonga, Birdie Man, etc. Bring them on anytime! I can even beat them with my eyes closed, and I wouldn't call myself CGOAT! such a weak era! such a waste to be the best in a crowd of nobody! Can someone tell me where the glory is to beat up a bunch of losers like that?
     
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  38. zagor

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    You don't say.

    What all pros? Did you interview 1000 current ATP players and 1000 former or something so you can speak for all the pros?

    I don't believe in GOAT as a principle, player divided in tiers is much more acceptable as far as I'm concerned than putting one player on a pedestal above others.
     
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  39. jg153040

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    So, you were wrong yet again. You said, that only people outside of TW consider Nadal the clay goat.

    How can this be? How can Federer fans think Nadal as clay goat? You said Fed fans are biased and can't think.

    Why is considered the clay goat? Mostly because of 8 RG titles. But how can this be, if he didn't beat multiple RG champions?

    Things are a lot different here as you thought.
     
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  40. The Dark Knight

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    Yes you already said that .

    But again you conveniently did not answer my question .

    If as you say he would have won less in another era and have less than 8 FO's would you still consider him the goat ?
     
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  41. The Dark Knight

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    Actually I'm right .

    Do you see all the crap in this thread alone ?

    Now it's a weak era? Shall I post all the other threads where you guys say Nadal is not the clay goat?

    But when faced with the question point blank you don't have the balls to admit that Nadal is simply the clay court goat end of story .
     
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  42. Omega_7000

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    Voted no just to pi$$ off the OP :twisted:
     
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    Lol, you were saying Nadal is in weak clay era. I was always saying Nadal is the surface goat.

    Your mind is playing tricks on you.
     
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  44. jg153040

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    Lol, this TDK. He argues even when people agree with him.
     
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  45. DolgoSantoro

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    No issue is ever put to bed on TW. You've been around long enough to know that.

    I believe Nadal is greater than Borg, both in achievements and in actual ability at this point, so yes. Nadal is GOAT on Clay as far as I'm concerned.
     
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  46. tennisaddict

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    If records is what you are concerned, then it is a YES.

    But if you are asking who is a better player, i would say it is a tie between Borg and Nadal.

    Since Novak 2.0 version, I would think Nadal will have max of 3-4 FO. That shows Nadal lacked serious competition for the other 6 majors he won there.
     
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  47. jg153040

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    Again circular logic. What if he was so good, he stopped others from winning?
    This never ends here.
     
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  48. Tennis Fanatic 070

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    TDK, this is funny. I think you got caught up in all those posts you answered, because you reponded twice my post #20. I never answered your question,because I never replied to your post. So you said that I already said that, but you were referring to the same post (#20) Strange, please concentrate more from now on, you need it.

    You asked me: So if Nadal had less than 7 FO's would you still consider him the clay court goat? Answer: Yes.
     
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  49. The Dark Knight

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    Never mind
     
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  50. The Dark Knight

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    Ok fine . :)
     
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