Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by jackson vile, Jan 29, 2012.
So if he works on this, top players like Nadal will be lucky to even win games? :neutral:
Federer and Berdych couldn't hit through Nadal either. So your point is a joke in itself. :lol:
3 Slam wins over Nadal? 3 Slam wins over Federer? What more proof is needed? Djokovic is winning Slams during the Fedal era. The most difficult era in all of tennis.
Federer has a weak backhand, so he is also lacking a complete offensive package. Berdych is not a good mover and his volleys are atrocious.
Talent doesn't determine ranking. If it did Federer would probably still be #1.
Nadal is ahead with Murray 13-5. Murray had a good showing but he still has to prove his place in the top 2-3.
Fedal era is over. Can start calling it Djoval era if you like.
He's pretty solid, honestly. Good serve, great serve return, great groundies. He's almost the complete package.
Except his net play, which is atrocious.
One thing I will say.... his ball striking ability of the ground is as good as 04 - 07 Federer, but he is a better retriever, and he is also more of a fighter....
To be perfectly honest, he is like a mix of Federer's ball striking ability, and Nadal's retrieving and never die mental strength
He is competing in a weak era
Both Berdych and Federer are amongst the best ball strikers out there. They can hit winners from any part of the court. And the fact they couldn't break through Nadal's defenses proves that it had little to do with Djokovic's lacking in offense and more to do with the blue clay they were playing on.
Tsonga was getting his serve broken left and right by 5'10" Nishikori and barely could even get a ball by him. Isner was having all sorts of trouble holding serve as was Lopez.
It has nothing to do with Djokovic being unable to hit winners. The surface wouldn't allow him to. We saw the proof when bigger hitters than him also had trouble holding serve and being offensive.
Don't forget Fed is 30 years old. I think a young Fed would still beat Djokovic easily.
Don't know about that. Federer in 2006 was losing sets to a teenage Djokovic too.
30 year old Fed is still a tough match for him despite his tendency to choke in USOpen semis
Yea, he's so perfect he can't make a regulation volley to save his life.
Djokovic has always been an excellent player. The last match shows just how hard he had to work to be number one. However keeping this gigantic task up is another thing. He looked absolutely shattered at the end of this match and if every slam is going to end like this with Nadal then I fear for them both
When did Nole have to save his life, I must have blinked during the marathon ???
djokovic's volleys/serve/overheads aren't nearly as good as federers
You were too engrossed in Ralph's buzzsaw celebration, that's why you missed it.
Not to mention his game-craft isn't either.
Without even getting into a player's strokes Federer can turn opponents in knots with his play moreso than Djokovic or Nadal ever could. Most of their strength lies in doing what others can do, just far better. They retrieve better, move better, miss less etc but they're still playing a basic strategy almost 100% of the time. Federer, on the other hand, has a court and opponent awareness intuition that few players ever have no matter how great they can hit the ball.
LOL at lolvile. Federer nearing retirement still seems to cause more problems for peak Djokovic than does peak Nadal.
rogi is such a magician that he needs out-of-shape and indifferent
opponents to give him chances to volley and smash overheads. LOLOLOL where was his magic when he played a great clay opponent---we're not talking about the ramirez-hidalgos and roddicks on tour?
Stupidest poll ever...we talk about open era and second choice is...no Federer... you are morons
The options in the poll has some glaring weaknesses.
If Federer's were so good, he wouldn't be getting owned by Nadal in almost every match.
Djokovic even 4-5 years ago during Federer's prime was pushing Federer hard. Not too many players can say they've straight setted Federer twice in Grand Slams.
I think Novak is the perfect tennis player, he probably won't lose another match, in fact I'm surprised he has ever lost one.
He beat Federer and Nadal 9 out of 10 times in a single season.
Sad thing is, this is true. He has absolutely everything.
Still think peak fed by a hair was perfecter
If only Djokovic and Federer could spawn a love child together, He Who Was Promised, The Baseliner Who Shall Not Be Named, One Volleyer To Rule Them All, and in the darkness... GOAT them!
You would need to pick a different player, Roger does not volley often at all. More for show than anything LOL
Yes and that's why Djokovic beats Federer and Murray. Because he is the ultimate ball basher/retriever. Don't make me laugh. Djokovic utilizes alot of offspeed balls from both wings to get his opponents out of position quite often, and is quite capable at crafting a point. He's not as good as Federer, but he certainly is good at it.
Peak Fed had no answers for Nadal even then. Djokovic does. So how can peak Fed be better than Djokovic when it's clear that a particular style bothers Federer much more than it bothers Djokovic? :lol:
Fed ****s have screwed up the poll. It's absolutely impossible for Federer to have fewer weaknesses than Djokovic just based on the Nadal factor alone. Federer's weaknesses are exploited by Nadal. Nothing Nadal does bothers Djokovic.
don't pay attention to any fed match.
federina ****s don't watch either.
pretty fed just wants some bad line judges.
they helped him in the 5 set match in 2005 miami versus nadal.
"Djokovic is the most complete player of all time"
"Djokovic is the theoretical Perfect Player"
The poll results are absolutely RIDICULOUS! It seems like each and every ******* has voted for Federer. Fed is a great player but not a perfect player. His backhand is easily destroyed by Nadal. His Return of Serve is definitely not better than Jokovic's. Jokovic is way more flexible than Fed. Plus Jokovic has more willpower than Fed and is physically better.
Plz *******s, get a life
If what you said is valid, then why did the OP compare Djokovic to Federer? It means that he thinks in his subconscious that Fed's perfect. Why didn't he compare it to Nadal/Sampras/Becker/Edberg/Murray and all other greats?
Because, currently, Fed is GOAT. If you have to compare anyone with, it has got to be with Fed. Thats why. Also because after Jokovic, Fed is the most "complete player" though Nadal can come close if he improves on certain areas that Jokovic exposes.
Right now Fed is GOAT but if Jokovic continues to play as well as he has from 2011 and wins atleast 14 Majors, he'll be GOAT (definitely).
Nobody in their right mind would say that Fed is perfect, not with the backhand that he has...
This post is so flawed that I don't even know where to start. Whatever floats your boat,mister!
The poll is flawed by its wording from the getgo:
"Not even close; Federer is far more perfect with fewer weaknesses".
Djok at the present is GREAT, however it is not unreasonable to have the opinion that Federers A game is superior to Djokovic's. As documented by his recent FO victory (at 30 and during Djoks peak). The twisted wording just shows that the OP wants to stirr up a heated debate instead of a reasonable discussion, iow trolling.
That sounds about right, it is hard for them to give credit where it is due.:-?
If you wanted a straight answer, why didn't you make the options yes or no instead of putting words in peoples mouth, Jackson?
Oh yes, because: "That is the point of all my posts, they sensationalize so I take it a step further to on the other side."
People (including me) shouldn't really bother with you.
You're using Federer's age to discredit Djokovic. Federer is not DEAD. He can still play an extremely high level of tennis on a great day. 30 year old Federer would still be a phenomenal challenge even for the 2005-2006 Federer.
Well who said Federer is dead?
Besides, this mere fact does not alter the basic premise of my post which you conveniently avoid to adress.
In my opinion Safin was the most complete player in terms of technical skill. However I'm being extremely biased (but there is an element of truth in what I say).
He would be close, he didnt really have any weakness. His volleys were not as good as his other shots, but they were technically quite good. Federer's backhand was probably closer to a technical weakness than Safin's volleys, although I wouldnt say it was weak either.
Djokovic's volleys are much worse than Safin's, and he has developed a hitch in his service motion compared to when he was younger.
I would much rather have any of Novak's shots over Safin's. Safin's serve was more powerful but technically wasn't better than Novak's imo.
Lol at this thread. Federer at his age of 30 beat 5-years younger Djokovic in FO Semis at Djokovic's peak and was leading 2-0 in sets and held 2 match points at USO. Give Fed back another 3-5 years and Djokovic would be playing the supporting act. People seem to have very short memories around here and also appear to forget that when Federer was in his peak years he was one of the mental giants of the sport - all time, in addition to being the most complete player the sport has ever seen - over all surfaces, outdoors and indoors. Bar Nadal coming along Fed would have made a mockery of Men's professional tennis from 2004-2009/10/11 with 23-25 slams. Yes Novak has done remarkable to turn his career around from being the joker and the bridesmaid into a thoroughbred winner. But he is no Federer or Sampras, nor even a Nadal yet.
Safin's forehand was all over the place. Maybe he could crank them hard, but i always had the the impression he hit most of them with his eyes closed and prayin'.
Well you omitted the wins Djokovic had over Federer also. He beat Federer twice at AO in straight sets. Also beat him in many Masters and even Basel.
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