Is Novak the most perfect player (Open Era)?

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Does Novak have the least amount of weaknesses, and is he the most pefect?

  1. No weaknesses; the guy is near perfect

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  2. Not even close; Federer is far more perfect with fewer weaknesses

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  1. jackson vile

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    I think what the posters means is by results. Results suggest that Federer is not doing enough, while Novak is.
     
  2. wimble10

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    Actually I think he was more of a Serve & volleyer in his early days. I was just watching his big upset at the US Open '89 when he knocked off Wilander. He was coming in on everything in that last service game in the 5th.

    I forget that Pete had this illness. He really didn't seem to ever let it get in his way. But I can see how it could have had a serious impact on his stamina, especially during longer matches.

    I thought his ground game improved throughout his career. His serve & volley and attacking style were his strength, but his improved counterpunching from the baseline were what kept him ahead of his competition.
     
  3. wimble10

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    I wouldn't say Agassi owned Sampras off the ground. Agassi groundstrokes were probably more consistent so in a long baseline rally Agassi often came out on top.

    I would say Pete's volleys were one of his biggest strengths. I think he had excellent volleys.

    I'm not sure Djokovic could handle Pete's power. Pete's game was a lot more offensive than RF or Nadal. I think it would depend on surface. FO to Djokovic. Wimbledon, USO and AO are toss up.
     
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  5. Povl Carstensen

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    Federer has had plenty more results than Djokovic so far.
     
  6. jackson vile

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    Really, he has had more results regarding improvements compared to Novak? Please, explain.
     
  7. DeShaun

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    He's long had a fantastic return game, but when he finally got his serve back last year- and after winning DC, he clearly jumped levels. That coincided with Rafa taking one of his "off" years, as some have called his history of alternating/following a really strong year with a comparatively weak one. Add to the mix that Roger seems to be growing noticeably slower/lazier about his baseline every six months or so, and there you have a recipe for the new, "most perfect player ever" Novak jumping from 3 to invincible.
     
  8. DeShaun

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    I saw Pete, McEnroe, Chang, and Courier all play at an exo (the Champion's League, or whatever they call it) only a few months ago.

    If a forty-year old Chang still can crawl all over a forty-year old Sampras' best serves, which serves looked to me to be still quite formidable with Pete serving with a Babolat and polys, and with Chang just drilling some jaw-dropping returns against the most impressive serves that I had ever seen, I am positively certain that Novak could handle Pete's power because of the speed of Novak's reflexes, his length, and his flexibility.

    In fact, I have been watching this video on repeat all weekend long:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Qh-r77Sk4
     
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  9. The Gentleman's Sport

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    That's nice, but we've seen how Federer simply gives up and loses concentration when in a tight spot. He threw two sets and couldn't close out the match with 2 match points at USO 2011 and he gave up against Nadal at AO 2012. Djokovic played better when he was down against Murray and Nadal. Both players hate to lose (and Federer throws hissy fits when he does), but Djokovic's determination pushes him to victory even when facing physical exhaustion.
    No contest.
     
  10. zagor

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    I wouldn't say Sampras completely modified his style of play after Tim was gone, sure he got more agressive but he still played a ton from the baseline. I wouldn't say Sampras was a pure serve and volleyer until 2000 really (though he was gearing more towards it in 1998-1999).

    Don't know if I'd call him the most perfect player(that notion is silly overall and OP's intention is clear anyway) but he's definitely the best all-court player I've ever seen, note that doesn't necessarilly mean the best player I've ever seen, I still might give that to Fed (it's a very close call IMO) and Nadal is getting there as well but that's a different argument.
     
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    This thread = lack of options, period.
     
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    I like how there are only 2 possible choices in the poll. Fed isn't "far more perfect" than Djokovic and Djokovic isn't the most perfect player in Open era either.

    Why did Mr. Perfect lose against Fed in RO2011 and just barely scratch by a win against Fed in USO2011?
     
  13. The Gentleman's Sport

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    ...why did Mr. Far More Perfect lose in straight sets at AO2011 and lose his 2 set advantage, then a 2 MP advantage at USO2011?
     
  14. NLBwell

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    In this period of time in tennis, I would say Djokovic has no weaknesses (net play really doesn't matter much now). Doesn't mean he is perfect, as many players have portions of their games which are stronger.
     
  15. devila

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    djoker's AN INSPIRATION; HE REALIZES IT.
    he was insulted by federer in the post match interview.
    ironically, djoker was slightly injured in august but he never quit.
    it would've been disastrous to watch federer with his slimey smile in
    the us open final.
     
  16. Mike Sams

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    Djokovic isn't perfect but he's got the perfect style to beat every single style of tennis he faces on any surface. He can nullify the brutal power of Tsonga, Del Potro, Soderling and Berdych, he can handle the all-court mastery of Federer, he can neutralize the murderous topspin of Rafa, he can handle the tricky and sneaky tactics of Tomic and Dolgopolov and even Murray. Basically Djokovic is the perfect blueprint. Teach your kids the Djokovic style. That is a winner's style right there.:)
     
  17. Mike Sams

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    How can Federer be far more perfect with fewer weaknesses than Djokovic when he's losing almost all matches against Nadal? It obviously means he's got tons of weaknesses. Look at the AO. Federer looked like a complete clown, totally out of his league. Lucky to even win a set.
    Delusional *******s can't see the obvious. :lol:
     
  18. Povl Carstensen

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    Delusional Fedhaters cant think straight.
    etc etc etc
    True
     
  19. jackson vile

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    So true! How dare the OP compare Novak to Federer who's fans claim that he is the standard of perfect! Just does not make sense, nope. None at all.

    You tell them Povl!
     
  20. Devilito

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    Given the current surfaces, equipment and competition (including play-styles), yes he is
     
  21. Povl Carstensen

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    Perfectly ok to compare, I was just quoting Sams...
     
  22. devila

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    glad to witness not-so-perfect fed fans; fed needs all the fast as lightning tennis courts that he can bribe tourney organizers for.
     
  23. jackson vile

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    Not serious, I did not think your were serious since quoting Mike as you stated. Kida like a running gag if you will, and making a bit of fun of the whiners.
     
  24. vamospunch

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    Djokovic's stamina is the best on tour now so he can outlast everyone, no matter what he surface is.
     
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    Hi BullFireZilla
     
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    He doesn't give up does he.....maybe it would be better for him to have a username that has nothing to do with Nadal.
     
  27. hawk eye

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    No, most perfect player still has to be Davydenko. When he's on no player can match him. Just demolished Robin Haase in front of his home crowd in spectacular fashion. When he's back to his best , I see him having a good chance to take his well deserved major.
     
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    The username letters are all in caps or all lowercase and revolve around the most disliked player in tennis.............besides Serena.
     
  29. vamospunch

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    Federer has beaten Davydenko when Davydenko was on an absolute roll, at one Australian Open in particular.
     
  30. hawk eye

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    Yes but first part of that match he totallly outplayed Federer. Then he choked, spoiled his lead and still lost the match. Not for the first time..
     
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    Did Davydenko use Prince against Haase? I hope he did, it would be nice to see him back in form.
     
  32. hawk eye

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    Didn't notice his racket brand, just watched him play very well.
     
  33. Magnus

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    Jackson's pile with his nonesense again. Djokovic rules for one year and he's already the GOAT.
     
  34. joebicko

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    The most perfect player???? Yeah right.....To take almost 6 hours to beat someone...Come on guys
     
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    Perfect is a superlative. There is no "most perfect". It is either perfect or not perfect...
    The perfect player would have a 100% win/lost record.
    And how can you say that a player is perfect when he's not able to hit the backhand with only one hand? :)
     
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  36. jackson vile

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    Or he could be like the other guy and not win at all:)
     
  37. Povl Carstensen

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    Well we can not be perfect all the time Jackson.
     
  38. AMDRULES

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    The most difficult for Nole will be to stay on top, playing like this, with no or minor injuries for some years.
    Because thats what made Federer and Sampras so great, to be able to hold that NÂș1 and keep beeing the best player in the world.

    Time will tell. For me its very early to start making those comparisons.
     
  39. Povl Carstensen

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    ^^ agreed.
     
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  42. wimble10

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    Behind-the-back volley ? not bad..
     

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