Is Roddick Deserving of #2 ?

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  1. Thanatos

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    It seems to me that Andy had a fairly easy draw, but when he is put to the test, he chokes or doesn't perform like a #2 seed.

    On the other hand, Federer had problems with Aggasi, but like most #1 player or champions, he knows how to win when it counts. That just makes me think that Roddick hasn't really secures his #2 position. What should he really ranked? #3, #4?
     
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  2. Peter Samprer

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    he should be ranked #2. oh pleazzz! this andy hating craps should stop. the guy worked hard for where he is now. haters hate him because they won't be able to do what he did, they're just freakin' jealous of him. he's the top american tennis player and american tennis needs him. federer won the match but he didn't play great. it went to a 5 sets just like roddick's. some day you play good, and some you don't. you don't expect top players to always win, it will bored the fans if they keep winning.
     
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  3. ProStaffTour90

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    well at the mo fed is moreorless uncatchable at 1, if you take him outta the equation then Roddick is the most consistant performer and so yes he deserves to be at no2.

    It is harder to get to no.2 than to just stay there. Like you said Roddick now has pretty easy draws cos of the no.1 or no.2 seed that he gets, so he can cruise against the lesser guys then maybe get beaten by someone like JJ, but cos he's already reached the 1/4's then he keeps the ranking points ticking along very nicely!
     
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  4. Camilio Pascual

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    Who has secured the #2 position in your opinion? If we're going to bounce Roddick, name your replacement candidate(s) so we can see how they are better than Roddick by comparing tournaments won, number of times getting to the semis, and how many times the rest of the field has been bested by a particular player so he is the one who faces Federer in finals matches. That might help the discussion a lot. Should be interesting.
     
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  5. AndyC

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    okie.. this is getting funny :).. I was the biggest one cheering for Roddick to get dumped out of the tournament.. but choker??

    Have u looked at his record this year? There's a reason he's still number two in the world and in the ATP race. Now Hewitt may catch him in the race.. but in the entry rankings? He's 1500 points ahead of Coria.

    Christ.. I can't believe I'm defending Roddick but really much as I dislike his style of play saying he's a choker shows no sense of perspective.
     
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  6. ZhuangCorp

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    Well, i think Andy definitely should be #2, because the other players haven't been playing as well. He is definitely the best after Federer. He has been almost unbeatable this year.

    However, if all the other players were playing their best, i'd contend that Safin would be #2, and Roddick and Ferrero might fight for #3. and Hewitt and Coria might fight for #5.
     
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  7. Vlad

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    I think Hewitt deserve it more than Roddick at the moment, espicially if he wins against Jochim and reaches the final. Let's see.. Hewitt had a better hard court season, better clay court season, won same number of tournaments. He also his grand Slam matches to eventual winner in all three and could be the case for US Open..
    Roddick played better on grass though but there are only 2 tournaments on grass pretty much. It would not surprise me if Hewitt will grap #2 spot at the end of the year, since he has nothing to defend for the rest of the year and is not that far from Roddick now..
     
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  8. chicagohpch

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    Hewitt may take the No. 2 spot if he wins it all at the open. He wasn't very lucky in his draws in the past several slams, but he is making his way back. I think he and Federa will meet in the final and it's a 50-50 chance.
     
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  9. AndyC

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    Vlad.. there's tournaments ande then there's tournaments. The tournaments that Roddick has won his year are bigger than the ones Hewitt won.

    Has Roddick many more points to defend now? Hewitt may well grab the number 2 spot in the ATP race.. but he's still some way off in the entry rankings.
     
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  10. Vlad

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    Well, he won Nasdaq but remember his opponents? Canas, who was recovering from injury, Moya choked badly serving at 5-4 in third, Spadea in semis and Coria reired in the final...
    He also won Indy, SanJose which are small events, while Hewitt won in Rotterdam beating SHouttler, Henman, Ferrero (who was still playing well at that time).. And yeah He won Quenn's and played better on grass acually beating Hewitt in that tournament. But grass is very small part of the season and big W.
    Ranking wise Hewitt can get really close if he reaches the final and takes over if he wins.. In Entry ranking he is not that far considering that Hewitt didn't play for the most part at that time last year..
    So, once again, I wouldn't be surprised if Hewitt finishes up second after Fed
     
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  11. The tennis guy

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    Even if Hewitt wins the open, he won't be No. 2 on computer. He is almost 2000 points behind Roddick right now. Even if Roddick lost in the first round Hewitt wouldn't make up that gap simply because Hewitt didn't lose in the first round last year.
     
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  12. rhubarb

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    That's quite true, he can only be number three if he wins (but second in the race). But he then wouldn't be very far away in the entry either. If Hewitt wins the USO, he'll only be 530 points behind Roddick. Roddick has about that amount to defend during the rest of the season, and Hewitt has nothing. He could easily overtake him. He could even overtake Federer at the TMC (although it's very unlikely).
     
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  13. tetsuo10

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    Not sure he choked. He came from 2 sets down and took it to the 5th. On the other hand, Federer was up 2 sets to 1, and he almost lost it. Fed basically won the match on that one point Agassi missed in the 5th.
     
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  14. @wright

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    hell yeah. if roddick doesn't deserve #2, then who does???? ok, maybe Hewitt, but Roddick has done better this year. I'm really afraid Roddick is going to be so upset with this loss that he'll go improve his serve, then everyone is f-ed!
     
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  15. callitout

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    based on his results over the past year, he should probably retire. you make a good point, he's done. Lots of guys have consistently better results--like, oh, Roger Federer. I'm sure you can name many other guys too, who should be ranked ahead of him. I'm not a Roddick or Federer fan, but some of this Roddick bashing is just a joke. The guy is good at tennis you dont have to like him as a person. I mean Federer is a good player, but I'm not yet convinced that he's a particularly good person. What has he done to show the world anything other than his ability on the court?
     
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  16. Skinny Dip

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    I was cheering for Roddick to go down also, but after it happened I really felt bad about it. He was playing some of the most insane tennis I've ever seen through the rest of the open.

    Obviously he put in a lot of work and dedication this year to raise his game even further to challenge Federer - when he could have easily rested on his laurels (his sponsorships in this year alone likely beat Federers lifetime earnings).

    Ah well, at least he lost fair and square - which is more than I can say about Serena.
     
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  17. Chanchai

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    Does Roddick deserve the #2 spot? I think so... but some players deserve a shot at it, and that's what going to happen.

    Who knows what'll happen during the Fall indoor season and the Master's Cup, but I imagine that #2 spot might get shuffled around a little bit and probably be determined in Houston.

    I don't know if Moya deserve it, but I can see him possibly fighting for it--but did he lose many points at the US Open this year?

    I'm with a lot of people here in the sense that Hewitt's going to put up quite a fight for #2. IMO, I can't say who deserves #2 more than the other. In terms of the majors, both players are very similar in major results (Roddick's RG loss in the second round ALMOST balanced out with his performance at Wimbledon--I think both lost R16 on Oz, Hewitt went far in RG, lost R16 I think to Fed in Wimbledon, but Hewitt might go to finals or further at US).

    It's going to be a fight for #2 either way. And the fight is deserved. While I'd like to say that Roddick is clearly playing #2 tennis for most of the year, or at least since May... In a way, I have to say that despite his draws, the same could be said abut Hewitt--and he is especially playing top 3 tennis right now in my opinion.

    It's all opinion and speculation either way... and I don't know who is going to be #2 at the end of the year.

    It seems virtually impossible to knock Federer off the 2004 throne. We should just say that it is impossible. Unless he takes the rest of the year off (including Houston) for whatever reason, and either player in the top 5 truly dominates the rest of the year. But that's just not gonna happen.

    What makes it sound like two people fighting for #2? Well... Moya's having a good year, but I say just enough for top 5, but not for the 2 spot. Coria's gone for awhile, but I'd say he was worthy if he was well, but he isn't. Andre hasn't played much of the year and his results are mixed around--it's amazing what his ranking still is to be honest, and he played some great tennis this summer and is clearly top 10 still imo. And then the rankings just tell you that for the most part, 2 people are fighting for #2.

    Does Andy deserve #2? I think so, but so does Hewitt. So I think it's a righteous battle for #2 coming up.

    -Chanchai
     
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  18. VashTheStampede

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    Pretty sure Roddick lost in the quarters at Oz not R16.
     
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    hewitts draws in big events have been terrible (thats what u get for sueing the atp :)). he has beaten better players this year than roddick. in my mind is #2

    coria would be the #2 if he stayed healthy. he was unbeatable the first half of the year.
     
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  20. VamosRafa

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    This is a great thread, with very balanced responses. But I agree with Camilio Pascual re naming who should be the rightful No. 2. No one other than Roddick fits that bill right now (regardless of the fact that he has the computer points for it). Lleyton certainly has a shot at it, but neither Coria nor Moya seems to deserve it.

    And Lleyton only seemed to start deserving it a few months ago. He has a bit more work to do, IMO.

    So all is at it should be for the moment. Could be a very interesting fall, though.
     
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  21. Chanchai

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    my bad, yeah Roddick lost in the quarters.

    -Chanchai
     
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  22. Aoya

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    I think Agassi could be very deserving of 2, or even 1, if he got his act together. Although he's a tad bit older than the field, he's still got game.
     
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  23. Max G.

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    Um, no he's not.

    NO way is he the second-best player in the world right now. He's only won one tournament this year... He can play very well if he plays well, BUT:
    a) he still can't beat Federer, as at this Open
    b) he can't do so consistently, week in and week out. Or at least this year he hasn't - he had a very bad slump mid-year.
     
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  24. goober

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    Umm ATP rankings are based on formulas and are done by computers. It is not some guy sitting around decided Oh well I will put Roddick #2.

    As for the seeding- Let's see he is the defending champion and he just had a very good US Open series.

    If you want to argue seedings why was Moya seeded #3?
     
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  25. yee

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    Until another player plays consistenly well enough to overtake his position, of course he is deserving of his no.2.
     
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  26. rhubarb

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    Seedings are based on the entry rankings. Moya was ranked fourth, but Coria at three wasn't playing, so he got the third seed.
     
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  27. Tennis Guy

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    Sorry, double post.
     
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  28. Tennis Guy

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    I agree. There is no way Roddick shouldn't be #2. Fed is definately much better than him though.
     
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  29. callitout

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    It was a quality suggestion to say that Hewitt should replace Roddick at No. 2 if and only if he wins the Open. Obviously Roddick's ranking of 2 is based on play prior to the Open--If Hewitt wins he'll certainly move up and will be seeded higher in future tournaments.
     
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  30. rhubarb

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    Whether or not Hewitt wins tomorrow, he'll be ranked three on the entry ranking. The gap between him and Roddick will be either 415 or 715 points, so it will be a close run thing for the end of the year.
     
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