aman92
Legend
Med is pretty charismatic...I'll give him that
Is Sinner vs Medvedev in a GS final good for tennis?
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nighthawkrr
Rookie
2023 Wimbledon was more interesting to me.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Sinner played a large part in the different outcome. It wasn't all Djokovic being worse.
aman92
Legend
Yawn...Alcaraz is awesome but had no interest in Djokovic vulturing towards another Wimbledon.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
I said he is not worse through corners. Sinner played better today so he won. Take no credit away from Nole just like how you are defending sinner.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Anyone but Imhotep 
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
I thought they were all pure baseliner players. I don't remember any other type since Michael Llodra.
Sipho
Rookie
Yeah, you had to want to watch Sampras and those guys. Otherwise it was boring as hell.
I hated that they slowed down everything, but I totally understand it.
In terms of Kipchoge, yeah, at the elite level, for a while now people didn't usually start running marathons until they felt that they were too slow for the track. So mid to late 20s. Or even 30s. Kipchoge didn't start until he was around 29.
That's changing now though, of course. Kelvin Kiptum just ran 2:00:35 in Chicago in October, breaking Kipchoge's 2:01:09 set in Berlin in 2022. And Kelvin Kiptum is 23. Well, Kenyan "23." So maybe add a couple of years.
So in a way it's a little like tennis. The old guy was good until the next young guy(s) came along. And the other pervious young guys simply weren't as good as the old guy, and his dominance had more to do with them than him.
(Well, it's kind of the same, but not really. Alberto Salazar won his first New York City Marathon in 1980 when he was 22, so... anyway. )
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Ah, Llodra... They don't make 'em like that anymore...
Alcaraz, Rune, Sinner > > > Rublev, Khachanov, Medvedev (for me, at least, they are more offensive and willing to use the court more)
optic yellow
Legend
porn is sex in the same way mrs. butterworths is maple syrup
optic yellow
Legend
to br clear Sinner clownstomped him, 1-2-3 with a tiebreaker loss in the gentleman's set is not close, it is crushing
Well, those are the guys who made it to the final. Would I have liked Alcaraz to be in the final? Certainly yes. Would it have been a better spectacle? No idea. Those guys made it to the final because they won all their matches. We shouldn’t be disrespectful to them. Sinner eliminated Djokovic so that’s that. Medvedev was lucky that Zverev eliminated Alcaraz for him but draws will always have an element of luck involved. Anyway, I think it will be a very entertaining final, certainly better than Djokovic vs Berrettini or Djokovic vs Kyrgios.
I like your reasoning and the supposition that neither Medvedev nor Sinner are good examples for future tennis players, recreational tennis and fans of the sport. Daniil's lumberjack and Jannick's baseline robotic styles are a proof of where the sport is going. Many, to be professional, tennis players train hard to be physically fit and able to return as many opponents balls as possible and to find holes in their game now. I bet that both of those AO finalists have fancied Djoker for quite a few years to do what they do now. The ones, who craved to play like Federer, have not succeeded unfortunately. Carlos and Holger have been the hope for more exciting tennis, so let's hope that the young Spaniard and Dane straighten up their mental issues that I see are holding them back behind the currently not so exemplary top tennis players.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Taylor Dent S+V every serve he ever hit and liked to chip and charge too.
Do you even know what a pusher is? Who has no spin-no pace? Care to check the numbers?
Unorthodox technique does not mean no spin no pace. All groundies have spin. That's how the ball lands on the court.
Impetus
Semi-Pro
Let me also give my own bias.
I don't think either of them sell any tickets to the circus to a new audiens.
Game style 2/10
Grace/movement/looks 2/10
Charisma and showmanship 2/10
Tennis ability 9,5/10
Drama and scandals 3/10
I know the tennis community want the new gen to win. So do I. We want new blood. We want progress and we want the new to be better than the old. But some of us also want attractive tennis.
I don't think either of them sell any tickets to the circus to a new audiens.
Game style 2/10
Grace/movement/looks 2/10
Charisma and showmanship 2/10
Tennis ability 9,5/10
Drama and scandals 3/10
I know the tennis community want the new gen to win. So do I. We want new blood. We want progress and we want the new to be better than the old. But some of us also want attractive tennis.
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longtimelurker
Professional
sortof
Semi-Pro
I suppose this years final will be fairly neutral to tennis - perhaps a bit better in case Sinner wins it, because he is still very young and people are always craving for the appearance of the next young superstar. Looking back it seems that extended rivalries are really good for tennis. To name a few we had this among the big 3, and with Sampras versus Agassi, or for the WTA with say Seles and Graf. These rivalries polarize the fans and are therefore of great interest - and they tended to yield very entertaining tennis of the highest level. Maybe Sinner and Alcaraz can establish something in this direction, with Rune to join them eventually.
Zardoz7/12
Hall of Fame
But what does this have to do with bringing new fans to tennis? OP asked something else entirely.
This is why I need glasses.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Kind of even, as Sinner only dates her because she must be good looking, as the Ferrari.Sinner
Sinner has a ferrari and a model girlfriend who love$ him for hi$ chari$ma
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
Probably not. I’m debating whether to stay up and watch it since it starts past midnight. I just don’t enjoy watching Medvedev. Might just catch the replay on TC tomorrow. If Djokovic or Alcaraz were in the final, I would watch live for sure.
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ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
Sinner should win. And the way he’s playing - is the better player and more fresh.
I just wouldn’t count out med or be surprised if he pulled it out. He’s added some sneaky element to his game that he even didn’t realized was there all bc he was a bit cramped and fatigued.
Impetus
Semi-Pro
What does that have to do with the price of cheese?
Can't you see what the topic is?
J-Wildcard
Semi-Pro
It's great to see a new winner as Djokovic has reigned supreme for a long time now which actually makes the sport look lacking in depth with a serial winner. However with regards to Sinner he isn't great box office with regards his playing style. He is an incredible ball striker but it's like watching a repeat of the same thing which is more do able over best of 3 at times. Best of 5 could be a big ask to stay the distance if it goes all the way which I think it will. Medvedev with that playing style is nightmare to play against, Sinner can find some nice angels though and that could be the difference as when you are as far back as Medvedev you have no chance on a nice angled shot.
marc45
G.O.A.T.
Djoko-Alcaraz brings the best ratings easily
bigbadboaz
Semi-Pro
It's two of the top younger stars coming through to compete for a major title, and one of them looks to be a potential emerging dominant figure.
In general terms, I don't see what more you could ask for in a final matchup.
I can't say that either of their games appeal to me - and yes, that could be a turnoff in the matchup drawing in borderline fans or growing the sport- but unfortunately there really aren't two better right now (including Alcaraz). That's undoubtedly a weak spot for the game, but at least the era seems to finally be shifting.
In general terms, I don't see what more you could ask for in a final matchup.
I can't say that either of their games appeal to me - and yes, that could be a turnoff in the matchup drawing in borderline fans or growing the sport- but unfortunately there really aren't two better right now (including Alcaraz). That's undoubtedly a weak spot for the game, but at least the era seems to finally be shifting.
J-Wildcard
Semi-Pro
Yes, i was hoping for a sinner v alcaraz final which I am sure we may see at some point. Potentially US Open maybe but there's a few others who will have a say still. The first week was really exciting this year I thought but many matches in this second week have been disappointing to be honest.
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
What’s the price of cheese? I hear GOAT cheese is out of stock for tomorrow
Towny
Hall of Fame
It's good for tennis because it's a new name in a slam final without being two nobodies in a slam final. Sinner has been up and coming for the past few years. Like him or not, Medvedev is an established HC player. He's made 3 finals at the USO and the AO open.
In amy case, I expect this to be a fairly straightforward Sinner with, largely because Medvedev has very little left in the tank. You never know though.
In amy case, I expect this to be a fairly straightforward Sinner with, largely because Medvedev has very little left in the tank. You never know though.
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