Is Stan the new Todd Martin?

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  1. Gonzalito17

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    Nice guy, very talented, came up in the shadows of more highly touted great young players in his era from his country, capable of giving great matches in the big moment but always just falls a bit short in those situations because of a lack of killer instinct, a lack of ruthlessness. A lack of the burning desire and insatiable hunger to be the very BEST.
     
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    Good comparison, I hope that means Stan makes a GS final at some point. Honestly this match was the first time I saw that real burning DESIRE in Stan. If he can bottle that, he has something for 2013.
     
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    Are you insulting Martin?
    If vrinka wavrinka is curremt Todd, it would prove how much tennis has ñowered to humilliating levels seldom seen in any sport
     
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  4. heninfan99

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    I think Martin had the killer instinct. In fact, in a recent seniors match he ferociously snapped at Mcenroe. He had some fire.
    Martin was just in a very good era. Not his fault.

    I'm still not over the fact he ruined Djoker's serve for a full year though.
     
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  5. babolat king

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    The only thing Todd Martin had was a deadly uni-brow.
     
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    you win everything.
     
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    Murray is the new Todd Martin.
     
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  8. smoledman

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    Murray owns a slam. He can't be the new Todd Martin. Besides Murray is a super athlete, Martin never was. If anything DelPo is alot like Todd Martin.
     
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    Tell that to all the legions of fans who will maintain that the wind won a slam in USO 2012, not Murray. He doesn't legitimately own a slam. Besides, Delpo owns a slam (a very legitimate slam), how can he be like Todd Martin.
     
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    Martin overachieved in my humble op. Did very well with moderate talent.
     
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    Todd Martin was more dangerous in his era than Wawrinka is in the current era.

    Todd Martin had a great serve ( he was 1.98 m or 6 ft 6 in ), had very powerful flat groundstrokes, he knew how to volley.

    He played great in the Australian Open of 1994, defeating Edberg in the SF ( 3-6 7-6 7-6 7-6 ), but lost to Sampras ( 6-7 4-6 4-6 ).

    In 1994 he also got to the SF of Wimbledon (lost to Sampras 4-6 4-6 6-3 3-6) and the SF of the US OPEN (lost to Agassi in four sets).

    He was runner-up in the 1999 US OPEN losing to Agassi in five sets (he was leading two sets to one), and lost to Safin in four sets the following year in the SF.

    He had a bit of bad luck because almost everytime he was playing great and was getting to SF or Final of a GS, he faced Sampras or Agassi there (bad luck because in the 90s there were several GS tournaments were neither Sampras nor Agassi were in the SF stage) and lost to them.

    Clearly his best shot at a GS tournament was in 1996 Wimbledon, where he got to the SF stage and had to face Malivai Washington AND the other SF was Krajicek-Stoltenberg (Krajicek defeated Sampras in the QF and Stoltenberg defeated Ivanisevic in the QF, so imagine how Todd would feel, suddenly Sampras AND Ivanisevic were out!!!).

    He was the clear favourite against Washington and, had he won, he would have been favourite against Stoltenberg (had Stoltenberg won his SF) in the final (and 50-50 against Krajicek in a hypothetical final).

    Todd Martin was leading 5-1 in the fifth set against Malivai Washington but incredibly he ended up losing the match.

    I think Martin-Krajicek would have been a great 1996 Wimbledon final, much more competitive than Krajicek-Washington, but it wasn't meant to be.
     
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  12. McEnroeisanartist

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    Hmmm, lets see Todd Martin - two grand slam finals, six grand slam semifinals,10 grand slam quarterfinals.

    Stan Wawrinka - 2 grand slam quarterfinals.

    Sorry no comparison at all.
     
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  13. Gonzalito17

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    Martin is far more accomplished than Stan for sure but the point I was making is that they have similar demeanors on court, too nice and not enough killer/ruthlessness.

    With that said, Martin and Stan are both great players who had the misfortune of having to defeat GOAT calibre players who stood in their paths.

    Martin blowing it to Mal Washington has to be one of the biggest slam chokes of the modern era. I didn't see the match, did Mal get in the zone or did Todd completely fall apart?
     
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    Excellent comparison, very similar low key honest classy fair demeaners by Martin and Delpo, very very similar. Gentle Giants.
     
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    Does anybody know that Martin won a big cc event, the Spanish Open, beating terrific cc player Felix Mantilla , at Mantilla´s home field, by S&V?

    Wavrinka would be a decent player like Champion or Nystrom.He is kinda Sandy Mayer, at most.
     
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    It is curious but Todd Martin and Tim Mayotte were almost their other equal´s...both initials are TM.funny, isn´t it?
     
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  17. 90's Clay

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    Stop.. No

    Martin maxed out at Rank #4 in the world, won 8 career titles, 12 career finalist and 5 doubles titles and 5 double finals and reached a slam final


    Mugwinka:

    Career High Rank 9 in the world, 3 career titles, 2 doubles, NO slam final


    ... I dont think so
     
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  18. heninfan99

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    Stan has a Gasquet-like temperament. Stan may of had a cushier situation than Martin. I know Mcenroe ordered Martin to fetch him a towel during Davis Cup practice whereas Stan is great friends with Federer, playing doubles together, I imagine practicing together and they've even had the same trainer their entire careers.
     
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  19. Fiji

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    Not really.
     
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    Soderling is more like the Todd Martin of this era:
     
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    If anything Mardy Fish is the new Todd Martin.

    Big serve, tries to play all-court tennis but can't quite make it stick, slightly lumbering in his movement... and destined to always be almost a top player.
     
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    50-50 vs krajicek in a hypothetical final ? you cannot be serious ! krajicek blew sampras and stich off court at that wimby ....... it would've been closer than the actual final , but krajicek would've taken it , no doubt ...and that is not even considering martin's mental fragility ... add that and unless krajicek injured himself, he wouldn't lose .....
     
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    'maybe', but soderling playing well is clearly more of a threat .....
     
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    @ topic, martin's career clearly eclipses that of stan ....
     
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  25. vive le beau jeu !

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    krajicek might have been the favorite, but i think you're a bit underrating todd martin ! who knows what would have happened...

    by the way, game wise, wawrinka makes me rather think on pioline...
    (but his slam results are not at the same level, at least for the moment)
     
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  26. Wilander Fan

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    Interesting. I think it was easier being Tod Martin then than now. It was much more common to see upsets back then, particularly on grass or clay, when top players ran into specialists. There was also a pretty good balance of slow and lightning fast indoor courts so ranking could be very deceiving. I think Agassi was really the first all surface threat. Everyone else had a weak surface where they could get bounced early. Alot of the top 20 seemed to just surfaces altogether since there were enough of their events to keep their rankings up.
     
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