Is the k90 the best volleying frame ever?

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  1. guedoguedo

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    Ive never hit with a racket that has instantly boosted my net game 100% as the k90 has. The stability, control, and feel is incredible. I will never pick up a pure drive again after hitting with the k90. In fact I am disgusted with myself for using one for the last 9 or so months.

    Back to volleying, the 2nd best frame i used in this area was the n95, but it has absolutely no feel compared to the 90. Ive never hit the 85 but im guessing some will say the 85 is the best :twisted:

    I was hitting volleys behind the service line without even thinking about it. You should have seen how giddy i was!
     
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  2. chiru

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    yah 85 wins for me. never played the k90 tho. but yah, ick to the pure drive at net.
     
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  3. The best volleying frame ever was probably made in a time when people did that. That said, since then, Wilson has made a few frames that are pretty good at net, and since they are larger than 85inĀ², they play well with gut/poly hybrids.
     
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  4. BreakPtSi

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    I only demoed it, but the k90 was just plain fun to volley with.
     
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  5. crawl4

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    anyone no what the kblade tour is like volleying?
    yeh the six-one tour is AMAZING!
     
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  6. luv2volley

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    K90 is great but PS85 is still the king for net play.
     
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  7. skraggle

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    Yeah, sweet frame at net. But VE mid and PK type C are in the mix, too...
     
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  8. m1stuhxsp4rk5

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    the k90 is awesome love it at the net but the ps85 is so nimble and quick its just that small head kills you sometimes but another great volley stick is the prestige classic 600
     
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  9. movdqa

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    I'd say that the Redondo is better in the feel department at the net.
     
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    For competition play, I would go with the K90 for volleying... but for sheer jaw drop factor, the racquet that I have been able to draw the most gasps of admiration with is the Dunlop MAX200G... but the racquet has to be strung right. However, because of the smaller head size, you have to be on your game in order not to mis-volley. K90 a little more forgiving and a little more punch as well... hence I would use that in a competitive match. In fact, the K90 does, for me better at match play volleying than the PS85 and the MAX200G better at showboating than even the Redondo Mid... just my thoughts having played with all of them.
     
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    the kblade tour is by far the best volley frame ever made. k90 and prestige mid dont even come close compared to kblade tour.
     
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    Could you be more specific on what makes it so great? Have you played much with the K90 and the Prestige Mid?
     
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  13. bcast66

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    yea played with the k90 for 1 month and have played with prestige for 6 years+.

    played with kblade tour for 5 days it was amazing at volleys but everything else was not so good. so i stick with my prestiges.
     
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    What is good about the volleys with the kblade... could you elaborate please?
     
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  15. bcast66

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    lol well basically if you put your racquet on the ball you have a chance to win a point at net with the kblade tour. i cant really explain it but it was perfection at net low ball high ball you name it jumping drop shot. it was just special at net. everything else was mediocre.
     
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  16. movdqa

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    Subjective feel is hard to go by as that subjective feel is something that only you may find. Perhaps you could read reviews by others to get a feeling for how to describe your experiences to others.
     
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  17. Noisy Ninja

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    I'm currently playing with the K90's and although it's quite good at the net...I wouldn't say it's the "best volleying frame" I've had ample playing experience with.
    It's all subjective but IMHO, strong consideration for "best volley stick" has got to go to the Wilson 6.1 Classic. 95 head allowed for a bit more forgiveness, combination of high mass and head-light balance resulted in quickness at net with sacrificing stability/power, substantial stiffness made for considerable feel and punch on volleys. Paired with the right string (preferably natural gut strung at high tension)...the 6.1 Classic is a monster at the net.
    The K90 is pretty good in its own right but is more a "jack of all trades" kinda stick that does everything well but has limitations; the 6.1 Classic specs made it particularly adept for the serve 'n volley game. Just rock solid at the net with no surprises about where your volleys will land once it leaves the racquet.
     
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  18. Azzurri

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    You answered your own question.
     
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    i thought it was nice, put prefferd the 95 as it felt abit more solid, thicked beam with that head size and weight was just right.
     
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  20. guedoguedo

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    I shared MY experiences, but wanted to get the perspective of others who have used other frames, have varying skill levels etc.
     
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  21. Speedygonzalez

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    Very interesting! I still have a couple of them and recently pulled one out of my bag....I was pretty amazed how comfortable it felt but I had difficulty to control the amount of power. Normally I play the iprestige mid with full poly. What type of string do you use for the Max 200g and at which tension?
     
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  22. Bubba

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    The k90 is a great frame... but PS 85 best ever - esp. for volleys
     
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  23. hoosierbr

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    Was partial to the N90 myself although I think the K90 is an improvement. Found it a bit too heavy and unwieldy at net for quick exchanges and reaction volleys.
     
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  24. Mick

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    not for me because of the smaller headsize and extra weight. I definitely would volley better with a KTour or K95.
     
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  25. quest01

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    I found the K90 to be good at the net but I tended to frame the ball a lot.
     
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  26. suppawat

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    I have both K90 and KBlade Tour and found KBlade Tour providing better feel on volley. Give it a try.
     
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  27. 2ndServe

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    man you guys have to volley with the Prestige Classic 600 or the Original original Pro Staff 85 made in some euro country I think. There have been different models under the same name and made in different parts of the world but the true original Pro Staff made in euro is perhaps the best frame ever made. I doubt they could replicate it today. Course I've never played with the new rackets so I can't say with 100% accuracy.
     
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  28. morten

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    ps 85 and Estusa pbb are greater.. oh, and Fischer vacum pro 90 is great too.
     
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  29. Josherer

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    The K90 is the best frame, period.
     
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  30. vndesu

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    is that on your opinion?
    are you only saying that bc federer uses it?
    everyone has their on dominant frame.
    its like me saying the fxp prestige mid is the all time best frame.
     
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  31. Anton

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    Yea redondo has less power on POP, so if you can make your own pace on the volley well then it will allow you for easier volley placement control.

    Redondo is also more mannueverable, but doesn't feel like a "WALL" the way k90 does...without a few grams of lead on the mid-high loop that is.

    SO for me Redodndo takes the first, k90 close second.

    P.S. redondo is also better at everything else then k90, except the slice maybe.
     
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  32. supermario343

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    its the best volleying frame for me thus far! :)
     
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  33. movdqa

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    The K90 has way more power and spin capability than the Redondo. Better for a modern game. The Redondo is a better old-school racquet. I find the Redondo easier to use because it's so much lighter.
     
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  34. Jackie T. Stephens

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    I'm currently using that racket and my volleys are pretty solid with it, you know where the ball is going as soon as you hit it.
     
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  35. Jonny S&V

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    I agree that it's a good volleying stick, but it's nowhere near the likes of the PS 6.0 85 or the Max 200g, or even my M-fil 200.
     
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  36. Azzurri

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    still not sure what you mean. You asked if the K90 was the best volleying racquet and based on your post, you answered your own question. Maybe the Title is the issue with me.

    You never played the PS 85, that is by far the greatest volley racquet ever (if you did a poll it would win hands down). I have played both and the PS 85 is a much better racquet at the net. So, NO the K90 is NOT the best.
     
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  37. Azzurri

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    what do you mean EURO Pro Staff?
     
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  38. goosala

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    In my experience here are some good volleying frames:
    Yonex RDX500 mid
    Yonex RDS001 mid
    Pro Kennex Redondo Mid
    Pro Staff Mid 85
     
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  39. NicolasH

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    It's the fiddler, not the fiddle.

    I don't think there's a good "baseline racket" or good "volley racket".

    If you can play you can play. People say that the Wilson Pro Staff 85 is a great Volley racket... well Jim Courier and Chris Evert did well with it from the baseline.
    Sure, some net players have a preference for a smaller racket and some baseliners prefer a bigger frame, but then Lendl was a baseliner and his racket was small...

    I don't think the racket has anything to do with it.
    Rackets are a matter of preference.
    Good volley skills are a matter of technique, hand and eye coordination and intuition.

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  40. BreakPoint

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    The ProStaff 85 was never made in Europe, AFAIK.
     
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    Agreed with above.
     
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  42. Gmedlo

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    I agree completely. All this talk of placing racquets instead of players onto spots on the court is pish-posh.
     
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  43. Anton

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    Then why is no one playing with a wood rackets anymore?

    Racket makes a difference, really. Just not as much as technique.
     
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  44. NicolasH

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    Yes, the racket makes a difference if you compare a wooden racket to a modern racket. The poster didn't ask if he should go back to a wooden racket, I think he wanted to know which of the modern (current) rackets he should use. My answer still stands: If you're a good player, it doesn't matter which (current) racket you play.


    Now, why aren't people playing with wood rackets anymore?

    Because the newer technology gives you more room for error.
    In 1997 Mark Philippoussis hit serves with his racket (I think it was a Dunlop) and a Dunlop Maxply wooden racket. The avg. speed for his racket was 124 mph, the average speed with the wooden racket was 122 mph.

    So if you hit the perfect stroke it really doesn't matter what you hit it with.

    The biggest advantage in the newer rackets is that you have more room for error, you don't need to hit the sweetspot all the time to get a decent hit.

    Also, you can apply way more spin with a modern racket than a wooden racket.

    Personally I think that the strings play a huge difference too, especially with the new hybrid strings etc.

    Cheers,
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  45. Azzurri

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    I disagree...it has something to do with it. There were baseliners that used small headed racquets (remember we are talking about 15-25 years ago) but were considered mid-size at this time. But how many S&V players used 100 inch or bigger? Not one that I can recall. So its seems that a baseliner does not necessarily need a large headed racquet, but a S&V does.
     
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  46. morten

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    You are right Slappano, except Chris something, played John MacEnroe at wimbledon one year using a big Prince racket, and Natalie Tauziat, some big Pro Kennex i think. Both s&v players, atleast Natalie..
     
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    Chris Lewis got to the Wimbledon Finals in 1984.

    Cheers,
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  48. Azzurri

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    oh yea, forgot he even existed...ok so one.
     
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  49. bmakel

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    I have not tried the k90 but did try the Ksix-one (12 oz one). I play with a pure drive and I could not believe how good the volleying were with the heavier wilson. It was almost like I couild just stick the racquet out and the thing would do all the work. People coudl pound you adn the racquet would place the ball righ over the net. I had pretty good placement with the Pd but is is night and day volleyngwith this thing. The baseline returns were incerediable also. I do not know if it is wilson or the fact that the racquet weighs so much more than my PD. I will say the radical pro was good too but nothing like K6.1
     
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  50. NicolasH

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    The question was how many serve and volley players use a frame 100 sq. or bigger?

    I think we have to include doubles players as well. Serve and volley is a big part of doubles:
    Here are a few:
    Jeff Coetzee (#7 doubles player in the world with Dunlop 500)
    Jaime Murray (#8 doubles player in the world with Dunlop 500)
    Ratiwatana Bros (#9 doubles team in the world with Dunlop 500)
    Leander Paes (Babolat)


    I just don't believe that there's a particular racket for particular stroke. It's silly to suggest that you can't hit good volleys with a bigger frame. If anything it comes down to preferences, I agree volley players tend to prefer smaller frames. I'm a serve and volley player and I play a smaller frame. I've played with the same frame since 1989 (except for 2 seasons where I played with a bigger frame).

    Cheers,
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